The Centaur

Missed that. But hell how many threads started or sabotaged by Molloy have been deleted. The guy is a wrecking ball. What amazes me how he is trying to squirm his way into the National Party on the back of his sister. The guy has no credibility whatsoever. Its just the Hughes's and Allens who have no knowledge of racing supplement their ignorance with the likes of Molloy.

I am sure there was a thread headed up "thief Innes" on that other site. Could it be that has been taken down because the dumb poster dobbed in a jockey for "taking a bet" I have reservation about the TAB organizing boozeups at places near the waterfront where the cost probably high. Head Office is in Petone so why a boozup in Auckland. Perhaps its where the National party goes so Glenda and John in collusion .

Yes Barry I agree we tend to all have to believe Aussie does it better when clearly they don't. I find racing.com site the worst for form research yet it was part of the CV Saundry gave when he got his NZ job. Please don't anyone let Saundry interfere with the NZ racing site although I fear he has already.

How annoying can Australian TV be. Example race 6 at Ipswich. Bernie Cooper goes through the whole field in some detail probably about 3 minutes. All the time the camera focuses on just one horse the No1 horse Just Favulous. why I have no idea. Perhaps the camera man had shares in it. BUT THEN..... after Bernie has finished her good work she says " we missed the Number One horse it must have gone down early" UNBELIEVABLE

Excuse my ignorance but could someone explain what a BP bet means.

So what? The horse has only won a couple. Hardly a world beater. Perhaps you found some better news.

Lets hope it doesn't get worked up before the race. Interesting comment from Pam Gerrard that home track advantage not always translates to more relaxed horse although it worked with She's A Goddess at least to the start.

I know the Avondale committee is adamant on keeping Avondale but selling off bits and pieces is hardly a solution. It means a sort of inertia "who's worried about racing we'll just sell some more land" Avondale needs to locate a piece of land. Get an option then do all the sums and guage public opinion. Somewhere between Kumeu and Helensville also ideal with a rail stop nearby. Perhaps there is no suitable location but if Avondale doesn't go looking then thats an option for the future lost.

Hesi you need a compass. There has been an explosion of population North of central Auckland. Many lifestyle blocks for small time owner trainers. The logical solution is cash in on Avondale and setup a track between Kumeu ond Orewa. Actually there is an ideal spot in Dairy Flat.

I expected Hvar to go better at Avondale than he did but agree must have run good sectional.. Has always had big wraps. Maybe just growing pains but surely must do something soon. Possibly looked in need of one run at Avondale so lets hope overcomes the draw. Pris de Fer is a good sized horse just a bit sweated up at Avondale so should improve. Race 3. Mikes Mistake looked ok before the race at Avondale and held up early in the run home. Paying $15.00 thats good value.

More like the jockey busted his guts to win the last.

One of the biggest non jackpot collects in NZ racing was the multis at Ellerslie netting about $800,000. The word is the selections came from a jockey agent. One of the jockeys successfull that day got a sizeable 5 figure sling.

Happened in NZ as well. In the eighties. Current day prominent owner cleaned out illegal bookies around the country with a trotter race 1 Whangarei on Sunday when punters still waking up. Apparently several bookies couldn't pay.

Just to prove I practice what I preach. Well some thirty years ago the IRD bankrupted me unfairly I might add. Now I could have waited three years and walked away not paying creditors. Instead over the period i visited some 40 creditors with a sugar bag and paid them in cash. They all withdrew their claim and signed a fully settled form. The IRD much to their disgust had to pay me rather I pay them. So I say To Mr Molloy before crowing how smart you are go around and pay your creditors even though not legally required.

Not to mention the illegal beer drinking competitions. OK good punt getting in before the NZ won America's Cup but will he repay his creditors from bankruptcy days.??????

The story changes depending who you speak to. Another version is that its some connection problem. When asked if it was hardware or software problem they couldn't answer. Seems there is no chance of new system commissioned for at least 2 months.

Broke down again. Wanted to get on She'AllMine so went back to very old system (FastBet) somehow got the wrong number. Peeved off. Rang help. Apparently they are integrating or testing the "new" system/ Asked what advantages the system is going to have and they seemed very minor. e.g. cashback option, bank transfers (happens already). When asked for advantages for racing. Exact words were. Not much for racing mainly for sports betting.

I would like to propose that when (if ever) the so called FOB comes out that all punters boycott the medium. The reasons are. The $50m spent is not to promote racing but rather to fleece the punter. There is no way even now a regular punter can beat the bookies. So you think you are an exception Yeah right!!!.... you against $50m plus odds that are hugely against you compared to the tote. Bookies know who is close to various stables so even an owner can't get on in time before the odds are slashed, Trainers who want to get on early when the market is at 135% find that after scratchings the odds bear no relation to what they punted on. The whole role of TAB has changed. Its to offer as many betting options as possible whilst the TAB in the early days served the racing industry and clubs. Its a whole new ball game. The Paddy Power partnership is for them to supply the odds in real time so that its no longer possible to view overseas odds and compare to local. Traditionally the idea of bookies was to have competition whereby the punter could shop around. That incentive has gone. The FOB is merging with the tote concept in that the odds are constantly changing. FIXED is a misnomer. They are anything but fixed except for sports betting. Anyway the FOB is all about sports betting. Racing administrators were totally sucked in. Its all about greed. Fleece the punter rather than promote racing.

Maybe they shouldn't have their data on a "cloud". What happens when it rains?

The information I got is that bit by bit they are testing parts of the new system in real time. At a cost of $50 million I guess it will take some "testing". Maybe the old system wasn't so bad afterall.

Total disaster!!! Looks like the moron who does the Te Akau website race previews has got a job with Gibbs/Bradley. The writeups are totally useless. People want to hear what the trainers have to say or report not this type of drivel "Los Angeles will start from barrier 7 ridden by Trudy Thornton, see her start in the race 4 Philpott Airfreight Lrd( R65, 2100m, $22,500). The 4yo Rock’n’Pop mare has had 9 starts before and owned by Bloodstock Achieving Xcellence Angel Syndicate (Mgr: Kylie Bax). She had won the race on 4th of August at Waikato, and placed 2nd in the following race on 12th of August." Its a disaster because previously the writeups were brilliant with some useful info. Now its an rehashed racebook for dummies.

Certainly remember Butch and got on real well. Regret I didn't keep in touch. Didn't get on so well with Maurice C. which was before he became apprentice. Nevertheless M.C. as Mr Mink's trackwork rider told me just what they thought of Mr Mink and when I asked Deac why he was spending more time with the horse he looked up the yard and said he'll be worth far more than the lot of them. At the time Mr Mink had a swelling which they couldn't get rid of therefore delaying his first start. So Mr Mink was the first serious bet I ever had and from memory paid about $5.00 at Stratford. Nowadays a horse with that type of stable reputation first up would be odds on.

Absolutely certain although can't remember how many got disqualified in the end. I think he admitted he gave the same stuff to all the horses so they may have disqualified without actually testing all of them. Fairly certain Grand Win was disqualifed. I did a stint at Deacons during the school holidays about 1965 which was a great experience. Never rode trackwork apart from trotting but rode Grand Win to and from the track. Fantastic mare. At the time the big news was Brian Hayter getting a positive which was more serious than Deac's and I distinctly remember Pauline having a wry smile when Hayter got a couple years disqualification. You are probably right about Ginner Hart but can't recall when.

Actually I thought it was four. Many years ago just before you linked with Brian Deacon he got about four on the day. Prior to the disclosure someone from the lab came up to him and wanted $2000 to keep it quiet. Deacon wasn't having any of that and as the positives were a genuine mistake I think he got off quite lightly. One of the horses was his star at the time Grand Win and the place the old Bulls track.

Myself and several others have warned for some time of the dangers of jockey agents and gambling. Potentially far more harmful than a few jockeys or drivers getting together to decide who gets an uncontested lead or the run of the race. I could never understand a club manager being a jockey agent. An obvious conflict of interest. Particularly when Butch Castles was at Ellerslie. Lets say an overseas trainer planning sending a horse to NZ inquires from the club which jockey could be available. A jockey agent is out there talking to trainers getting exclusive information with the ability to change the specifics of a race. A major put off to punters who feel disadvantaged.