barryb Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Rowley Mile said: He was moving, sat up even, but pain, so it's a precaution......not the track though, I think one poor horse broke down and wammo. So why is the meeting off?. Nothing to do with the track. The Horse is no 2 Frankly Harvey in race 4. But Brian Higgins is the injured jockey who was on the following horse which kept going. Edited October 21, 2018 by barryb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Correction, both Brian Higgins and Brad Rawiller are injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowley Mile Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I'm watching Sky here in BNE, they are saying it's not track related, one came down, they had the jock on the track for yonks and need to airlift him by helicopter.....hence the delay and then the postponement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Just now, Rowley Mile said: I'm watching Sky here in BNE, they are saying it's not track related, one came down, they had the jock on the track for yonks and need to airlift him by helicopter.....hence the delay and then the postponement Yes it was nothing to do with the track, Frankly Harvey clipped heels of The Regiment that came out on it at about the 800 mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldandtired Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Mark D said: A thorough and extensive explanation from the NZTR Meeting News Otaki-Maori RC Abandoned Otaki Meeting Abandoned Due to two horses slipping around the 800m point during Race 3 the Otaki meeting has been abandoned. There is no plan, at this point, to reschedule the meeting. Just "there is no plan" covers it 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
priceless Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 When the hell are they going to start looking for the reasons.They should start with the type of grass they drill into them.This is going to be same old if they redo tracks like the Messara report suggests.Have they no commonsense !!!!!! NO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kakama Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 What a joke. Must be costing owners a fortune... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelTheFear Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Michael FelgateVerified account @MFelgate7 FollowFollow @MFelgate7 More Thoughts with Brad Rawiller & Brian Higgins - news just through Brad has neck fractures to C4 & C5 vertebrae, collarbone & severe bruising and lacerations. Brian Higgins has fractured ribs & collapsed lung with more tests to be done. Was a shocking fall! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 Yes and both horses came through with no injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 I see on FB that a Waikato trainer said that closing down tracks etc will solve this. YEAH RIGHT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, Mark D said: I see on FB that a Waikato trainer said that closing down tracks etc will solve this. YEAH RIGHT!!! What ever happens they"ll use it as reason to blindly follow the M report. Worst thing about this abandonment is the track has been given a good rest and remedial work and it's still not good enough. Johnno Benner was claiming the track was in great order in one of the Aus publications recently, so no one really knows. I think one of the problems with the trainers like you are talking about claiming close tracks will help is that they thing the M report and the track rationalisation is a silver bullet for the industry , when they couldn't be more wrong. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldandtired Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 17 hours ago, barryb said: Te Rapa won't be abandoned, a foot of compacted sand is normally not that slippery. nice, i do like a day out at the beach! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 42 minutes ago, Huey said: What ever happens they"ll use it as reason to blindly follow the M report. Worst thing about this abandonment is the track has been given a good rest and remedial work and it's still not good enough. Johnno Benner was claiming the track was in great order in one of the Aus publications recently, so no one really knows. I think one of the problems with the trainers like you are talking about claiming close tracks will help is that they thing the M report and the track rationalisation is a silver bullet for the industry , when they couldn't be more wrong. As part of the Messara Report "In 2018 a Future Venue Plan Joint Working Group was established between the NZRB and the three Codes to develop a future infrastructure plan for the NZ racing industry" Messara has referred to this report in recommending 20 courses be closed to generate 190 mil to pay for facilities and track upgrades. Of the 28 to be kept, he recommends 1. 3 synthetic tracks at Cambridge, Awapuni and Riccarton 2. Total course proper rebuilds(24 months out), at Ellerslie, Riccarton and Awapuni 3. Course proper reconstructions(12-18 months out), at Te Aroha and Trentham 4. Course proper renovations(6-12 months out), at Matamata, Hastings, OTAKI, Wanganui, New Plymouth, Tauherenikau, Wingatui, Ashburton, Invercargill, Kumara and Cromwell The concern is after the various debacles at Otaki and Te Rapa and a few others, that NZ Racing simply does not have the expertise to execute such a plan, and a reluctance to take on what is needed to execute such a plan Edited October 21, 2018 by hesi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 10 minutes ago, hesi said: As part of the Messara Report "In 2018 a Future Venue Plan Joint Working Group was established between the NZRB and the three Codes to develop a future infrastructure plan for the NZ racing industry" Messara has referred to this report in recommending 20 courses be closed to generate 190 mil to pay for facilities and track upgrades. Of the 28 to be kept, he recommends 1. 3 synthetic tracks at Cambridge, Awapuni and Riccarton 2. Total course proper rebuilds(24 months out), at Ellerslie, Riccarton and Awapuni 3. Course proper reconstructions(12-18 months out), at Te Aroha and Trentham 4. Course proper renovations(6-12 months out), at Matamata, Hastings, OTAKI, Wanganui, New Plymouth, Tauherenikau, Wingatui, Ashburton, Invercargill, Kumara and Cromwell The concern is after the various debacles at Otaki and Te Rapa and a few others, that NZ Racing simply does not have the expertise to execute such a plan, and a reluctance to take on what is needed to execute such a plan Doe anyone have any detail about what is meant by rebuild cf. reconstruction cf. renovation? And would it not make more sense, instead of the cost of a synthetic and total rebuild at Riccarton and Awapuni, to rebuild with Strathayrs there and scrap the synthetics, and possibly do the reconstruction at Te Aroha as a full Strathayr rebuild and scrap the synthetic at Cambridge? There seems to be a lot of unnecessary duplication in the above plan (at great expense) and no sense of where the revenue to justify or sustain those tracks is going to subsequently come from. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsenic Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 No wonder you guys are wanting to run with the Messara findings, he’s wanting Harness and Greyhounds to prop up a disjointed infrastructure and Management who couldn’t organise a good fuck in a brothal. Fuck the Messara Report 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 15 minutes ago, Arsenic said: No wonder you guys are wanting to run with the Messara findings, he’s wanting Harness and Greyhounds to prop up a disjointed infrastructure and Management who couldn’t organise a good fuck in a brothal. Fuck the Messara Report Haven't read to much support on here for the Messara report. Are we reading the same thread? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 hour ago, curious said: Doe anyone have any detail about what is meant by rebuild cf. reconstruction cf. renovation? And would it not make more sense, instead of the cost of a synthetic and total rebuild at Riccarton and Awapuni, to rebuild with Strathayrs there and scrap the synthetics, and possibly do the reconstruction at Te Aroha as a full Strathayr rebuild and scrap the synthetic at Cambridge? There seems to be a lot of unnecessary duplication in the above plan (at great expense) and no sense of where the revenue to justify or sustain those tracks is going to subsequently come from. Not in the Messara Report, but probably in the Future Venue Plan Joint Working Group set up in early 2018 by NZRB with the 3 codes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, curious said: Doe anyone have any detail about what is meant by rebuild cf. reconstruction cf. renovation? And would it not make more sense, instead of the cost of a synthetic and total rebuild at Riccarton and Awapuni, to rebuild with Strathayrs there and scrap the synthetics, and possibly do the reconstruction at Te Aroha as a full Strathayr rebuild and scrap the synthetic at Cambridge? There seems to be a lot of unnecessary duplication in the above plan (at great expense) and no sense of where the revenue to justify or sustain those tracks is going to subsequently come from. Good idea, a big mistake for NZ racing, a bridge too far, only really relevant for training. Messara does seem unusually slanted towards them though?? I note also in the Capex table in the report, that only 1 million has been allocated for facilities at Cambridge, which at present has none, and is expected to be a racing venue as well as training, and also eventually have Rotorua relocate there Edited October 21, 2018 by hesi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hesi Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 For those that question the advisability of upgrading tracks and question what good it will be, Messara covers it in the report "In this connection, we were advised that one international computer betting organisation had researched some 10 years of New Zealand thoroughbred racing form and results and concluded that their system could not be assured of making a profit, which it did in other countries in which they operated, even after allowing for potential rebates on significant betting turnover. Their conclusion was that the randomness and variance of form and results in New Zealand was probably unique with the main reasons being the generally poor state of tracks, the amount of wet track racing and wide deviations in track conditions as between tracks at the same time of year. These views are important as a robust and appealing betting product is critical to the future of the New Zealand thoroughbred racing industry" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 1 minute ago, hesi said: For those that question the advisability of upgrading tracks and question what good it will be, Messara covers it in the report "In this connection, we were advised that one international computer betting organisation had researched some 10 years of New Zealand thoroughbred racing form and results and concluded that their system could not be assured of making a profit, which it did in other countries in which they operated, even after allowing for potential rebates on significant betting turnover. Their conclusion was that the randomness and variance of form and results in New Zealand was probably unique with the main reasons being the generally poor state of tracks, the amount of wet track racing and wide deviations in track conditions as between tracks at the same time of year. These views are important as a robust and appealing betting product is critical to the future of the New Zealand thoroughbred racing industry" Whilst there may be a view of less consistency, I'd suggest it is more the inconsistencies within a single track, not the inter-relationship from one track to another. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 From the "this horse has already bolted file" Meeting News Central Region Trials Tuesday 30 October - Now at Otaki RC The Central trials that were scheduled for Woodville on Tuesday 30 October will now be held at Otaki. The Otaki track will have machinery put through it this week and will be closely monitored leading up to the trials. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mark D said: From the "this horse has already bolted file" Meeting News Central Region Trials Tuesday 30 October - Now at Otaki RC The Central trials that were scheduled for Woodville on Tuesday 30 October will now be held at Otaki. The Otaki track will have machinery put through it this week and will be closely monitored leading up to the trials. I hope they don't rip the sand slits or the new drains. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 28 minutes ago, hesi said: For those that question the advisability of upgrading tracks and question what good it will be, Messara covers it in the report "In this connection, we were advised that one international computer betting organisation had researched some 10 years of New Zealand thoroughbred racing form and results and concluded that their system could not be assured of making a profit, which it did in other countries in which they operated, even after allowing for potential rebates on significant betting turnover. Their conclusion was that the randomness and variance of form and results in New Zealand was probably unique with the main reasons being the generally poor state of tracks, the amount of wet track racing and wide deviations in track conditions as between tracks at the same time of year. These views are important as a robust and appealing betting product is critical to the future of the New Zealand thoroughbred racing industry" Seems really flimsy evidence/analysis to base this recommendation on - talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 Yeahh, the wrong use of or type of machinery is a sure way to stuff sandslitting in one pass. The sports fields guys know this and seem to be able to make sandslitting work effectively for years. Straight knife tines, not too deep seems to be the go. Off course sandslitting is completely useless any way unless it leads down to good primary drainage. It's illogical over a clay hardpan with a few lateral drains interspersed in that and probably causes water to sit between the hardpan and the tpsoil destabilising the surface.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted October 21, 2018 Author Share Posted October 21, 2018 42 minutes ago, hesi said: For those that question the advisability of upgrading tracks and question what good it will be, Messara covers it in the report "In this connection, we were advised that one international computer betting organisation had researched some 10 years of New Zealand thoroughbred racing form and results and concluded that their system could not be assured of making a profit, which it did in other countries in which they operated, even after allowing for potential rebates on significant betting turnover. Their conclusion was that the randomness and variance of form and results in New Zealand was probably unique with the main reasons being the generally poor state of tracks, the amount of wet track racing and wide deviations in track conditions as between tracks at the same time of year. These views are important as a robust and appealing betting product is critical to the future of the New Zealand thoroughbred racing industry" Perfect, those of us with a brain can exploit this situation to generate decent returns. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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