Happy Sunrise Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 See the 2 big guns didn't get a decision today. Its a big call that won't be popular with some either way. Is it more a legal matter or a controlling body decision based on the best outcome for the sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Was it turned down or is it being pondered???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Let em back and if they are ultimately found guilty punish them then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) ponderation going on brodie. you get back in the country without incident man . Edited October 23, 2018 by Rangatira 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Will be interesting to see if they do get back before Cup week...i bet they are chomping at the bit,with it getting closer.Anyone know whether Dex will be back for Cup week?. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, Mardy said: Anyone know whether Dex will be back for Cup week?. Last i heard is not back and the reasoning made sense. Edited October 23, 2018 by Rangatira 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realjokestar Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 dd is not getting great drives and not many and WONT BE DRIVING AT BREEDERS CROWN.hes visa issues were for a reason.he had phone laptops and car searched before he left.he has not made it the usa and is not getting much support.why isnt he coming back to win nz cup and champ driver. he would be arrested and charged when he hits nz soil again.he was in cahoots with john and blair.them drivers will go to jail for years.police have taped conversations of PLANNED RACE FIXING 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 23, 2018 Author Share Posted October 23, 2018 3 hours ago, realjokestar said: dd is not getting great drives and not many and WONT BE DRIVING AT BREEDERS CROWN.hes visa issues were for a reason.he had phone laptops and car searched before he left.he has not made it the usa and is not getting much support.why isnt he coming back to win nz cup and champ driver. he would be arrested and charged when he hits nz soil again.he was in cahoots with john and blair.them drivers will go to jail for years.police have taped conversations of PLANNED RACE FIXING You writing is so obviously doctored and designed to stir I have to wonder who you really are and where you have come from. You can spell cahoots but can't use capitals or spacings, lol. Anyways, welcome realjoke. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Happy Sunrise said: You writing is so obviously doctored and designed to stir I have to wonder who you really are and where you have come from. You can spell cahoots but can't use capitals or spacings, lol. Anyways, welcome realjoke. quite a maiden post 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 4 hours ago, realjokestar said: dd is not getting great drives and not many and WONT BE DRIVING AT BREEDERS CROWN.hes visa issues were for a reason.he had phone laptops and car searched before he left.he has not made it the usa and is not getting much support.why isnt he coming back to win nz cup and champ driver. he would be arrested and charged when he hits nz soil again.he was in cahoots with john and blair.them drivers will go to jail for years.police have taped conversations of PLANNED RACE FIXING i cant remember someone getting it roughly right and so ridiculously wrong in so few words anyways you made a splash awaiting post 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harness4All Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 15 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: See the 2 big guns didn't get a decision today. Its a big call that won't be popular with some either way. Is it more a legal matter or a controlling body decision based on the best outcome for the sport? Sums it up nicely really ... the telling point is getting an independent to consider the issue. If legal wins then they remain out as can only challenge the legitimacy of the Racing Act, if code wins then they have a good shot at getting back to driving as it is more about interpretation. Retired Judge hearing I'm currently 60/40 that legal wins. Having said that my betting record would demonstrate I often get it wrong! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Update on Raceday Exclusions 24 October 2018 By Michael Guerin Two of New Zealand harness racing’s biggest names could know by the end of the week whether than can resume driving on raceday. The Judicial Control Authority heard submissions from two horsepeople as well as representatives of the Racing Integrity Unit in Christchurch yesterday about the exclusion notices served on the pair. The exclusion notices were issued after a number of Canterbury properties were raided and arrests made in September but the names of those charged and the exact nature of the charges are subject to suppression by court order. The horsepeople involved have been allowed to train and drive at workouts and trials but not raceday and they, listed as Mr X and Mr Y at yesterday’s hearing, are seeking to have those exclusions lifted so they have return to driving at race meetings. The JCA reserved their decision but it is expected that decision could be released before the end of the week or next week at the latest as one of the most important times in harness racing, New Zealand Cup, looms. While only two of the horsepeople facing charges argued against their exclusion notices yesterday if the JCA rules in their favour and they return to race driving it is expected the exclusion notices for all those charged will be lifted until their charges are heard, more than likely not until next year. A court date has been set for later next month to determine whether the suppression of names and the exact charges remain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 Sadly, realjokestar seems to know the gossip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 1 hour ago, Taku Umanga said: While only two of the horsepeople facing charges argued against their exclusion notices yesterday if the JCA rules in their favour and they return to race driving it is expected the exclusion notices for all those charged will be lifted until their charges are heard, more than likely not until next year. which would then allow the police to revisit bail conditions with the possibility of racecourse bans being back in place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turny Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 Big call - big result with little upside but massive downside - turning point for the industry if is a positive outcome - we are in big danger territory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westview Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 18 hours ago, realjokestar said: dd is not getting great drives and not many and WONT BE DRIVING AT BREEDERS CROWN.hes visa issues were for a reason.he had phone laptops and car searched before he left.he has not made it the usa and is not getting much support.why isnt he coming back to win nz cup and champ driver. he would be arrested and charged when he hits nz soil again.he was in cahoots with john and blair.them drivers will go to jail for years.police have taped conversations of PLANNED RACE FIXING Fake news intermixed with a good helping of bullshit. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted October 24, 2018 Share Posted October 24, 2018 19 minutes ago, Westview said: Fake news intermixed with a good helping of bullshit. fake news yip good old pub talk trainer I bet 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 26, 2018 Author Share Posted October 26, 2018 The 2 are back. I think it is fair enough until the court proceedings become much more serious and decisions are made ( not thinking too deeply here) JCA QUASH RACEDAY DRIVING EXCLUSIONS FOR MR X AND MR Y Posted by Garrick Knight | Oct 26, 2018 | Harness, News The Judicial Control Authority (JCA), on Friday afternoon, released their ruling on the exclusions of two drivers charged with race fixing by Police, referred to as ‘Mr X’ and ‘Mr Y’, and both are now free to resume driving in official races. The two-man JCA panel, comprising Geoff Hall and Lynton Stevens QC, found that the Racecourse Inspector’s decisions dated September 27 and 28 to prevent both men from driving in totalisator races, failed to take in to account proportionality. That is, whether the harm such measures would result in to Mr X and Mr Y were proportionate to the charges they faced. Accordingly, Hall and Stevens quashed the Racecourse Inspector’s exclusion of both men. “It follows that, pending the disposition of the criminal charges against open horsemen X and Y, or alternatively pending the making of any further order by the Judicial Committee, open horsemen X and Y can drive at any race meeting at which betting is available,” read the ruling. Hall and Stevens were clear that, if the Police provided compelling evidence against X and Y regarding alleged race fixing, the exclusions could come back in to place. “The decisions of the Racecourse Inspector were made on the basis of the fact open horsemen X and Y have been charged with criminal offences and the limited information contained in the Police summary of facts in each case. “Disclosure by the Police under the Criminal Disclosure Act 2008 is yet to be provided. “Accordingly, should further relevant information become available, or if there is a material change of circumstances, the Racing Integrity Unit is granted leave to bring the application for a ruling back before the Judicial Committee for further consideration.” Both men, among numerous others, are due back in court on December 5 where it is expected Police will lodge a summary of evidence. Mike Godber, General Manager of the Racing Integrity Unit, said his team “accept the JCA ruling”. The RIU went to the JCA for clarification on the exclusion notices as an alternative to enduring a high court appeal by Mr X and Mr Y. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 3 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: The 2 are back. I think it is fair enough until the court proceedings become much more serious and decisions are made ( not thinking too deeply here) JCA QUASH RACEDAY DRIVING EXCLUSIONS FOR MR X AND MR Y Posted by Garrick Knight | Oct 26, 2018 | Harness, News The Judicial Control Authority (JCA), on Friday afternoon, released their ruling on the exclusions of two drivers charged with race fixing by Police, referred to as ‘Mr X’ and ‘Mr Y’, and both are now free to resume driving in official races. The two-man JCA panel, comprising Geoff Hall and Lynton Stevens QC, found that the Racecourse Inspector’s decisions dated September 27 and 28 to prevent both men from driving in totalisator races, failed to take in to account proportionality. That is, whether the harm such measures would result in to Mr X and Mr Y were proportionate to the charges they faced. Accordingly, Hall and Stevens quashed the Racecourse Inspector’s exclusion of both men. “It follows that, pending the disposition of the criminal charges against open horsemen X and Y, or alternatively pending the making of any further order by the Judicial Committee, open horsemen X and Y can drive at any race meeting at which betting is available,” read the ruling. Hall and Stevens were clear that, if the Police provided compelling evidence against X and Y regarding alleged race fixing, the exclusions could come back in to place. “The decisions of the Racecourse Inspector were made on the basis of the fact open horsemen X and Y have been charged with criminal offences and the limited information contained in the Police summary of facts in each case. “Disclosure by the Police under the Criminal Disclosure Act 2008 is yet to be provided. “Accordingly, should further relevant information become available, or if there is a material change of circumstances, the Racing Integrity Unit is granted leave to bring the application for a ruling back before the Judicial Committee for further consideration.” Both men, among numerous others, are due back in court on December 5 where it is expected Police will lodge a summary of evidence. Mike Godber, General Manager of the Racing Integrity Unit, said his team “accept the JCA ruling”. The RIU went to the JCA for clarification on the exclusion notices as an alternative to enduring a high court appeal by Mr X and Mr Y. Mr X and Mr Y what a load of rubbish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted October 26, 2018 Author Share Posted October 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, Nowornever said: Mr X and Mr Y what a load of rubbish. Who are they? ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 2 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Who are they? ? the good guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theshu Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Surely Mr X Dunn And Mr Y Orange ,hahahhaa what a joke 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 43 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Who are they? ? The writer looks desperate to write about it but suppression orders in place. Wins the award for the worst article ever written in my opinion. The more you read it the more ridiculous it is. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 Dont abuse Garrick, otherwise he will post your comment on his twitter page 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted October 26, 2018 Share Posted October 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Dont abuse Garrick, otherwise he will post your comment on his twitter page kakama will confirm this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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