curious Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 9 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: I'd imagine he doing his utmost to work thru the strategic areas of action and Business plan as instructed by the Board. Unfortunately, the business plan is evidently a work in progress and he said they might even publish it if they ever get it finalised. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 5 hours ago, Freda said: Or dear old Frankie Stammers towing the Bomber to the Coast in a single float behind his Ford Escort. Or being in Dick Jennings Toyota Crown traveling to the Timaru races at 160kms an hour with him driving. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 Back to the grass trials issue. Some movement. Riccarton running trials on the CP? From: Billy McGown <Billy.McGown@nztr.co.nz> Sent: Thursday, February 15, 2024 10:18 AM Cc: National Racing Bureau <nrb@nztr.co.nz> Subject: 2YO Trial - Riccarton 23 February Good morning An 800m trial restricted to 2YOs will be held prior to Race 1 at Riccarton on Friday 23 February. Entries close with The Bureau the same time as nominations for raceday, Tuesday 20 February at 12 noon. Kind regards Billy McGown Racing Coordinator New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing p: +64 4 576 6256 a: 106-110 Jackson Street, Petone, Wellington 5012 LOVERACING.NZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 Yes. One trial - maybe two . Then four days later Ashburton hold trials - feast or famine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 14 minutes ago, Freda said: Yes. One trial - maybe two . Then four days later Ashburton hold trials - feast or famine. Do the trainers and administrators all sit down together regularly to discuss such things and provide feedback about why certainly things aren't working? Just as I imagine they will do something similar in the CD after this week's debacle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Doomed said: Do the trainers and administrators all sit down together regularly to discuss such things and provide feedback about why certainly things aren't working? Just as I imagine they will do something similar in the CD after this week's debacle. Doesn't seem like it. The grass track issue was eloquently raised with Balcombe yesterday particularly wrt to the use of Rangiora and Motukarara for that, especially given they are within a 30 min drive of the bulk of Canterbury horses in training. He said he wasn't aware of the history of that etc. and would have to investigate further and get back. Didn't seem to be aware it was an issue. Edited February 14 by curious 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 14 Author Share Posted February 14 7 minutes ago, Doomed said: Do the trainers and administrators all sit down together regularly to discuss such things and provide feedback about why certainly things aren't working? Just as I imagine they will do something similar in the CD after this week's debacle. By the CD debacle, do you mean the abandonments at Hastings and Trentham or did something go awry at trial meetings also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted February 14 Share Posted February 14 27 minutes ago, curious said: By the CD debacle, do you mean the abandonments at Hastings and Trentham or did something go awry at trial meetings also? I meant both of this week's CD meetings nearly scrapped due to lack of horses. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 5 hours ago, aquaman said: Or being in Dick Jennings Toyota Crown traveling to the Timaru races at 160kms an hour with him driving. Jennings was the ultimate risk-taker and gambler. He once owned a large slice of land and stables in Craven Street, Sockburn which he would've paid no more than 20k for including the house he eventually built there. That property today would be worth in excess of 20 mil. Old-time Riccarton trainers would turn in their grave if they saw the value of their land today. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Reinstated a trial for 2yr olds. MEETING NEWS 2YO Trial - Riccarton 23 February An 800m trial restricted to 2YOs will be held prior to Race 1 at Riccarton on Friday 23 February. Entries close with The Bureau the same time as nominations for raceday, Tuesday 20 February at 12 noon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 16 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Reinstated a trial for 2yr olds. MEETING NEWS 2YO Trial - Riccarton 23 February An 800m trial restricted to 2YOs will be held prior to Race 1 at Riccarton on Friday 23 February. Entries close with The Bureau the same time as nominations for raceday, Tuesday 20 February at 12 noon see above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 17 hours ago, Freda said: Or dear old Frankie Stammers towing the Bomber to the Coast in a single float behind his Ford Escort. Great ole stalwart of the coast, never seemed to miss a meeting, Don Fuge another worth a mention, was sad to hear Frank passed away, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Trials scheduled for 27 February Ashburton. How does South Island Thoroughbred Racing event exist? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 53 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Trials scheduled for 27 February Ashburton. How does South Island Thoroughbred Racing event exist? See above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 6 minutes ago, Freda said: See above See what above? Blue sky? Chicken Licken? Divine Providence? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: See what above? Blue sky? Chicken Licken? Divine Providence? Chem trails. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 20 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: See what above? Blue sky? Chicken Licken? Divine Providence? The Riccarton and Ashburton trials had already been posted in this thread. Try reading first!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 Seems sensible to run trials for 2 yr olds prior to race 1 on race day , if and when required. It looks as if one set of trials per month in Canterbury is plenty. They had two lots in January for some reason with about 45 and 70 horses . 45 would not be 'economic' when the required staff and cost considered. Stipes,Ambulance ,Doctor, Farrier ,Vet ,Starter , maybe commentator ,maybe clerk of course , starters assistants etc. Travel time etc . Why are they necessary anyway ? Back in the halcyon days of NZ racing they were few and far between.I doubt if Grey Way and Showgate attended many trials. To educate the young ones ?....used to be a trip to nearby track and put them thru the starting gates. In January 2024 , 10 x 2yr olds trialled in Canterbury. Come February and only 3 x 2yr olds accept to race ! Many of the Southern horses these day seem to get their education in North Island.The North with more horses seem to need trials , maybe not so many available tracks to gallop around plus many trialling with a sale in mind. Plus Clubs keen to put trials on for Group/elite horses , on race day ! Makes sense ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 15 Share Posted February 15 17 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: Seems sensible to run trials for 2 yr olds prior to race 1 on race day , if and when required. It looks as if one set of trials per month in Canterbury is plenty. They had two lots in January for some reason with about 45 and 70 horses . 45 would not be 'economic' when the required staff and cost considered. Stipes,Ambulance ,Doctor, Farrier ,Vet ,Starter , maybe commentator ,maybe clerk of course , starters assistants etc. Travel time etc . Why are they necessary anyway ? Back in the halcyon days of NZ racing they were few and far between.I doubt if Grey Way and Showgate attended many trials. To educate the young ones ?....used to be a trip to nearby track and put them thru the starting gates. In January 2024 , 10 x 2yr olds trialled in Canterbury. Come February and only 3 x 2yr olds accept to race ! Many of the Southern horses these day seem to get their education in North Island.The North with more horses seem to need trials , maybe not so many available tracks to gallop around plus many trialling with a sale in mind. Plus Clubs keen to put trials on for Group/elite horses , on race day ! Makes sense ! In one breath, you are rubbishing some of us for 'looking back' and enjoying tales of days past. Now you want to 'look back' to prove a point...or something, not sure what. But in those days, horses could be - and were - sent around AT the races to get educated. Bugger the public. One of my old bosses would pull them up until he decided that they were sufficiently educated, race-wise, and fit enough to have a punt. And he was very successful. But we cannot treat our customers like that any more. 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 15 Author Share Posted February 15 (edited) It is cheaper though to send them round at the races for a few quiet ones these days to educate them and get them fit, especially if you can manage to run in the first 10. If there are no grass trials, then not many other options. Though Entain and NZTR would like us to get on board with improving the wagering product. Edited February 15 by curious 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 1 hour ago, Freda said: In one breath, you are rubbishing some of us for 'looking back' and enjoying tales of days past. Now you want to 'look back' to prove a point...or something, not sure what. But in those days, horses could be - and were - sent around AT the races to get educated. Bugger the public. One of my old bosses would pull them up until he decided that they were sufficiently educated, race-wise, and fit enough to have a punt. And he was very successful. But we cannot treat our customers like that any more. You confused ? Not me rubbishing folk for looking back...my posts on the Wellington Cup and the good ole days received comments like.....Snooze ZZZZZ.` I did my thesis on 'the good ole days'. You in lala land if you think horses always screwed down on the job now compared with yesteryear ! Just watched the NZTR preview video on Avondale Cup and top trainer Roger James said Dionysus just had a run last week or words to that effect ! And whats up with you and Curious...you joined at the hip or joined at the lip ? A tag team ,what the deal?😊 Don't be so grumpy and defensive....let others have a say !😊 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 I think everyone is having their say. I don't think there is enough collaboration between those running the industry and those providing the product for owners and betting public. The underlying grievance seems to be that not everyone wants to run on synthetic. Trials are utilised much more than in the olden days in an effort to provide a more polished affair. As Freda suggested the public expect better. More talking and consideration is required. Even Waipukurau late scheduling jumpouts Monday when Levin are running Tuesday is another example of not thinking clearly. There is room for every club to be involved and have a shot at making money but, working together would be a good start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 50 minutes ago, Special Agent said: I think everyone is having their say. I don't think there is enough collaboration between those running the industry and those providing the product for owners and betting public. The underlying grievance seems to be that not everyone wants to run on synthetic. Trials are utilised much more than in the olden days in an effort to provide a more polished affair. As Freda suggested the public expect better. More talking and consideration is required. Even Waipukurau late scheduling jumpouts Monday when Levin are running Tuesday is another example of not thinking clearly. There is room for every club to be involved and have a shot at making money but, working together would be a good start. So why doesn't everyone talk to each other to provide a good product as often as possible! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Who knows? Selfish, one-upmanship, inconsiderate, narrow minded ... take your pick. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 48 minutes ago, Special Agent said: Who knows? Selfish, one-upmanship, inconsiderate, narrow minded ... take your pick. All of the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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