Rangatira Posted February 17 Share Posted February 17 JASINOVA - Driver L Chin admitted a charge under Rule 869(4) and the Home Straight Regulations in that he allowed his mare to shift into the passing lane in the final 100m. After hearing submissions on penalty the Adjudicative Committee suspended Dr Chin's Driver's licence from the conclusion of racing tonight up to and including 1 March 2024 (3 days). When questioned Dr Chin advised that a recent gear change of replacing an overcheck bit with a chinrest had been beneficial with the desired improvement in the mare's manners. https://harness.hrnz.co.nz/gws/ws/r/infohorsews/wsd06x?Arg=hrnzg-Ptype&Arg=RaceVideo&Arg=hrnzg-RacehdrID&Arg=1F1E6EB8-1E7B-41F4-8CCB-919AD445D4A5&Arg=hrnzg-rSite&Arg=TRUE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 Silly decision when he so clearly out in front ! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 What a great job he does with his trotters. Dr Chin drove a terrific race and didn't deserve a penalty for it (didn't interfer or obsruct anyone) so silly suspension really. Amazing effort by Nicky Chilcott too, closing in late off the backmark of 35m in that Trotting mares feature race with SACRED MOUNTAIN. Nicky can really get a trotter going too and gets a lot of placings around the Northern tracks...... and hope she can take out a Group Race in the near future 🏆 . 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 If I'm doing trifectas in Auckland I always put luks nags in the mix. Russian named trotters. Hj 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Honestjohn said: If I'm doing trifectas in Auckland I always put luks nags in the mix. Russian named trotters. Hj Hope he's not got one called Vladamir. If he did it may need a name change or have to be shot. Edited February 18 by mikeynz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honestjohn Posted February 18 Share Posted February 18 2 minutes ago, mikeynz said: Hope he's not got one called Vladamir. If he did it may need a name change or have to be shot. It would fall off a ledge. Hj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 After his drive in the first race tonight, me thinks Luk may be out for a long time…. Showed no urgency when leading near finish, just gawking at his stablemate getting up in the final stride…. Wow that’s a bad look for harness… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 19 minutes ago, Newmarket said: After his drive in the first race tonight, me thinks Luk may be out for a long time…. Showed no urgency when leading near finish, just gawking at his stablemate getting up in the final stride…. Wow that’s a bad look for harness… Going to be interesting what he gets? Yeah he did button off when he saw it was the stablemate and showed no urgency, but maybe that is ok with the current whip rule? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 6 hours ago, Brodie said: Going to be interesting what he gets? Yeah he did button off when he saw it was the stablemate and showed no urgency, but maybe that is ok with the current whip rule? I'd give him the benefit of the doubt. He was flat out at the 200m and the winner came from last turning for home so he would of only seen it late. Looked zero chance at the quarter of being in the finish. even surprised the lass driving it, I think. How about them being full brothers too.!! A nose between them at the end. quite unique. BARZUKOV (4) and MAZEPPA (6 yearold) both by Love You out of Sundon mare Barsukova. What a fantastic quinella. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 MAZEPPA - broke at the start losing ground. Driver L Chin was shown the replay of the final stages and questioned regarding the manner in which he drove when clear in the lead. Dr Chin stated that he had been mindful that MAZEPPA had lost ground early before working forward to lead and had then received midrace pressure when challenged by COOL PHELAN and felt that the gelding was doing its best so had been reluctant to place this runner under undue pressure. Dr Chin further stated that he had looked to the outside on several occasions and had shown vigour in driving the gelding out once BARSUKOV came into view when finishing strongly down the outer. Stewards were satisfied that the manner in which Dr Chin drove was not so unreasonable given the circumstances as to be culpable and took the matter no further. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 Luk Chin is great for harness facing in the North, not only his age but the no. Of times he lines his trotters up. He has a lot to do with the Cambridge Club but he does get favourable treatment up there from the Stipes. There have been occasions before where he has received preferential treatment that others would not have got! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 17 minutes ago, Brodie said: Luk Chin is great for harness facing in the North, not only his age but the no. Of times he lines his trotters up. He has a lot to do with the Cambridge Club but he does get favourable treatment up there from the Stipes. There have been occasions before where he has received preferential treatment that others would not have got! What was he supposed to do? Whip the shyte out of the horse and incur a fine and/or supsension? I agree with @Gammalite that the horse was in full flight. "Didn't show enough vigour" say some. What was he supposed to do wave his hands around like a banshee? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: What was he supposed to do? Whip the shyte out of the horse and incur a fine and/or supsension? I agree with @Gammalite that the horse was in full flight. "Didn't show enough vigour" say some. What was he supposed to do wave his hands around like a banshee? Not trying to castigate Luk at all, although he should not have been beaten by the stablemate . Luk only tapped the horse once in the straight with the whip and that was very late in the piece. If he had shown more urgency earlier on then he would have have been further ahead, but he obviously felt he had the field covered! I have seen cases where a driver has been done for doing exactly what Luk did last night and less Edited June 20 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 20 Share Posted June 20 3 minutes ago, Brodie said: If he had shown more urgency earlier on then he would have have been further ahead, but he obviously felt he had the field covered! We've discussed before what often happens when you tap a trotter that is giving its best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: We've discussed before what often happens when you tap a trotter that is giving its best. Yep - one tap too many cost one of my nags a 2nd placing at Cambridge back in the day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: We've discussed before what often happens when you tap a trotter that is giving its best. Fair enough and Luk does seem to throw the reigns at the rather than whip, but still maintain that a bIt more urgency earlier in the straight and Luk wins. It is what it is and we can criticise some driving in every race. We need more Luk Chin’s going around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: We've discussed before what often happens when you tap a trotter that is giving its best. He sat still all the way up straight. Forget what it lost at start, should give horse every chance of winning, which he didn’t. The margin was a nose, would have won with a whack or 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 On 21/06/2024 at 3:35 PM, Newmarket said: He sat still all the way up straight. Forget what it lost at start, should give horse every chance of winning, which he didn’t. The margin was a nose, would have won with a whack or 2 So you think whipping the horse more would have made it go faster? You don't consider that the horse may have been at full speed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 48 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So you think whipping the horse more would have made it go faster? You don't consider that the horse may have been at full speed? If Luk did become more urgent earlier in the straight it would not have been beaten by a nose! It is what it is, Luk got the quinella! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted June 22 Share Posted June 22 52 minutes ago, Brodie said: If Luk did become more urgent earlier in the straight it would not have been beaten by a nose! It is what it is, Luk got the quinella! Might have got the exact too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 23 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: So you think whipping the horse more would have made it go faster? You don't consider that the horse may have been at full speed? God you make some stupid comments….. S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 23 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: So you think whipping the horse more would have made it go faster? You don't consider that the horse may have been at full speed? Stupid comment, even from you. So why are drivers allowed to use whips, going on what you say ban them? Isn’t it cruel if it makes no difference in a tight finish? I know, I know, your gonna say drivers use whips to keep horses run straight, bullshit. They use whips in a driving finish so they can win, unless of course your Luk and you can see your stablemate getting up. This pisses me off more, knowing that Luk is usually whacking the shit out of his nags to get the front… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 39 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Stupid comment, even from you. So why are drivers allowed to use whips, going on what you say ban them? Isn’t it cruel if it makes no difference in a tight finish? Certainly is cruel. And as far as I know doesn't make them go any faster than they can. If you have some evidence suggesting otherwise I'd be interested to consider it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 23 Share Posted June 23 1 hour ago, Newmarket said: So why are drivers allowed to use whips, going on what you say ban them? Isn’t it cruel if it makes no difference in a tight finish? That's not what I said. The horse may have giving everything it could. The whip would have made no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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