Chief Stipe Posted May 1 Author Share Posted May 1 1 hour ago, curious said: Quite possibly but that will be up to the codes and TABNZ to agree won't it? Possibly. I keep forgetting we still have a trough in between! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 The trough is a problem or could be. Entain probably don't care if they drive NZ revenue or drive revenue for Laddies and Neds. All the same for them but not for TABNZ and NZ racing stakes. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 5 hours ago, Doomed said: . Is this because Entain sees the gallops as providing product for their overseas markets? The whole thing seems hard to analyse at the moment. It be interesting to be privy to the information be feed to Winnie!! Have Internal Affairs published much re Racing lately? re those extra meetings, perhaps so KPI can be meet and paid out. as a measure of 'growth' happening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 1 Author Share Posted May 1 17 minutes ago, curious said: The trough is a problem or could be. Entain probably don't care if they drive NZ revenue or drive revenue for Laddies and Neds. All the same for them but not for TABNZ and NZ racing stakes. Just saying. So are you "Just saying" that after 5 years...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 15 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: re those extra meetings, perhaps so KPI can be meet and paid out. as a measure of 'growth' happening? Though that won't do much for the average starter number KPI will it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So are you "Just saying" that after 5 years...? I think if anything like the projected revenue growth comes within that time frame it won't be from TABNZ revenue from NZ racing. And unless it comes from elsewhere, we could see stakes halved from then. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 1 Author Share Posted May 1 26 minutes ago, curious said: I think if anything like the projected revenue growth comes within that time frame it won't be from TABNZ revenue from NZ racing. And unless it comes from elsewhere, we could see stakes halved from then. Just saying. So the suits at TABNZ and NZTR, HRNZ and GRNZ need to get their shyte together. Sharrock is missing in action! As for HRNZ... GRNZ... I can't name them to say they are MIA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 18 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Sharrock is missing in action! Yes, didn't seem to be any explanation of that on Weigh In this week when he was on. I wondered if he might have been canvassing for jockey agencies to build his sports management business. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 1 Author Share Posted May 1 4 minutes ago, curious said: Yes, didn't seem to be any explanation of that on Weigh In this week when he was on. I wondered if he might have been canvassing for jockey agencies to build his sports management business. I saw the Troika together at Elleslie recently. George, Sharrock and that Entain guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 14 hours ago, curious said: Though that won't do much for the average starter number KPI will it? lol, I'm sure sort of thing can be fudged somehow.... until proven otherwise, I recon at is at least even money, its still all 'moving chairs around on the titanic'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Monday at 12:47 AM Share Posted Monday at 12:47 AM Cambridge Synthetic Trials Cancelled The trials scheduled for Tuesday 14th May has been cancelled due to insufficient nominations (23 Total Nominations) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Monday at 05:57 AM Share Posted Monday at 05:57 AM Interesting, but perhaps a programming issue rather than an AWT one. The CJC get insufficent noms to run an open 1600 for 40k on Thursday and 8 noms for the 40k open 1200. Yet, they get 32 for the 65 1600, enough to divide it and 26 for the 65 1200, enough for a consolation race. Is the programming team not talking to trainers re demand or what the hell is going on? Another question is why do they can without leaving open, the 1600 open with 7 noms and not the 1200 with 8 noms? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted Monday at 10:37 AM Share Posted Monday at 10:37 AM 4 hours ago, curious said: Interesting, but perhaps a programming issue rather than an AWT one. The CJC get insufficent noms to run an open 1600 for 40k on Thursday and 8 noms for the 40k open 1200. Yet, they get 32 for the 65 1600, enough to divide it and 26 for the 65 1200, enough for a consolation race. Is the programming team not talking to trainers re demand or what the hell is going on? Another question is why do they can without leaving open, the 1600 open with 7 noms and not the 1200 with 8 noms? Surely they didn't scrap a race with 7 noms? They run 5 and 6 horse fields regularly in the NI. Just last Saturday they happily ran a $40,000 race at New Plymouth with 5 acceptors and 4 starters. Surely the local trainers would kick up a hell of a stink if they saw a race with 7 original noms dumped without even waiting to see if there were any extras forthcoming. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Monday at 02:58 PM Share Posted Monday at 02:58 PM (edited) 4 hours ago, Doomed said: Surely they didn't scrap a race with 7 noms? They run 5 and 6 horse fields regularly in the NI. Just last Saturday they happily ran a $40,000 race at New Plymouth with 5 acceptors and 4 starters. Surely the local trainers would kick up a hell of a stink if they saw a race with 7 original noms dumped without even waiting to see if there were any extras forthcoming. Yep. They sure did. Had one in it too. We were keen. Ran the open 1600 at Timaru last month with 6 starters. Very random stuff. A months training, track fees etc. and they can the race. Anyway, not for me to worry anymore. After 50 years racing horses in NZ, I'm probably finished for ever this week. Too disillusioned with what is happening or not on so many fronts. Hopefully, we can go out on a good note. Edited Monday at 03:02 PM by curious 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted Monday at 07:20 PM Share Posted Monday at 07:20 PM 8 hours ago, Doomed said: Surely they didn't scrap a race with 7 noms? They run 5 and 6 horse fields regularly in the NI. Just last Saturday they happily ran a $40,000 race at New Plymouth with 5 acceptors and 4 starters. Surely the local trainers would kick up a hell of a stink if they saw a race with 7 original noms dumped without even waiting to see if there were any extras forthcoming. Yeah but the NP race with 4 starters had the CEO horse in the race so it had to be run. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted Monday at 08:06 PM Share Posted Monday at 08:06 PM Surely an explanation would be forthcoming if they have run a race at NP with 4 starters and scraped a race in the SI with 7 noms? Sets a hell of a precedent. It is one area in which NZTR are very poor, never offering explanations for some of their decisions. It reeks of arrogance and contempt for those at the grass roots level. I do put a lot of their poorer decisions down to incompetence, but sometimes you do wonder. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Monday at 08:14 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 08:14 PM 5 hours ago, curious said: Yep. They sure did. Had one in it too. We were keen. Ran the open 1600 at Timaru last month with 6 starters. Very random stuff. A months training, track fees etc. and they can the race. Anyway, not for me to worry anymore. After 50 years racing horses in NZ, I'm probably finished for ever this week. Too disillusioned with what is happening or not on so many fronts. Hopefully, we can go out on a good note. That's disappointing. One less revenue earning horse going round. Probably more than one as you would have had more in the pipeline. What say you @TAB For Ever ? These are coal face problems and they are affecting large numbers of stakeholders. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Monday at 08:23 PM Share Posted Monday at 08:23 PM 7 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: That's disappointing. One less revenue earning horse going round. Probably more than one as you would have had more in the pipeline. Yep, I'll carry on in the US and UK and possibly OZ but it's over here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Monday at 08:27 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 08:27 PM So who makes these decisions at the CJC (Riccarton)? There has been so many admin changes I'm not sure how the stake funding works. Surely the CJC isn't bulk funded? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Monday at 08:35 PM Share Posted Monday at 08:35 PM 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: So who makes these decisions at the CJC (Riccarton)? There has been so many admin changes I'm not sure how the stake funding works. Surely the CJC isn't bulk funded? Don't get me wrong. I'd already let my trainer know it was the horse's last run, win, lose or draw. This just adds meat to the reasons for that decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted Monday at 08:49 PM Share Posted Monday at 08:49 PM (edited) Interesting to see a couple of decent horses out of their class in the rating 75 1,400m, including a Te Akau horse. I presume they were moved there. I can't imagine Te Akau sent a decent horse down to run in a 75 carrying 70 odd kilos. Edited Monday at 08:49 PM by Doomed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Monday at 08:56 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 08:56 PM 33 minutes ago, Doomed said: Interesting to see a couple of decent horses out of their class in the rating 75 1,400m, including a Te Akau horse. I presume they were moved there. I can't imagine Te Akau sent a decent horse down to run in a 75 carrying 70 odd kilos. Contrary to what some might say I wouldn't think Te Akau were overly happy with the way things are down there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted Monday at 09:03 PM Share Posted Monday at 09:03 PM 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Contrary to what some might say I wouldn't think Te Akau were overly happy with the way things are down there. They have the weight to effect some change. The rest of us don't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted Monday at 09:46 PM Author Share Posted Monday at 09:46 PM 36 minutes ago, curious said: They have the weight to effect some change. The rest of us don't. It is easy to argue they do have the weight because of the number of horses they have but they have the same issues. I can imagine the reaction if they did exert their weight and it disadvantaged just ONE small guy once! Rock and a hard place. They only way to exert influence is if you ALL get together and exert influence together. Otherwise the suits hold all the control and power and we can all see how much they know about nothing!! I was privileged to see an update video for a TA horse in work and it was clearly evident the frustration Mark Walker had with the availability of turf track trials a couple of months back. Which takes us back to this thread title - AWT trials cancelled because trainers don't won't to trial their horses on them. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Assange Posted Monday at 11:25 PM Share Posted Monday at 11:25 PM 4 hours ago, Huey said: Yeah but the NP race with 4 starters had the CEO horse in the race so it had to be run. The word nepotism is coming to mind. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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