Murray Fish Posted May 29 Share Posted May 29 (edited) Thinking about this from a Southern perspective? Anyone at the grassroots worth getting behind? " The future leaders and rising stars of the New Zealand racing codes will come together for an awards night in late July for the inaugural Industry Excellence Awards, powered by Entain Australia and New Zealand. Nominations are now open for the awards, which have been developed by Entain, the operators of New Zealand’s TAB, as a way to acknowledge the talents of Kiwis up to the age of 40 in the three racing codes. “We see these awards as a rare opportunity for all our future leaders in racing to gather together and celebrate what has been a huge year for the New Zealand racing industry,” Entain’s Managing Director – New Zealand, Cameron Rodger, said. “Each code already does a tremendous job of recognising the elite performers in their world, and this represents a chance to add to that, and reward the very best of our many great young people involved in New Zealand racing – including across some of the unsung areas that don’t always get the spotlight but are so critical to its success.” There are awards for a total of nine categories, with a supreme winner chosen from the category award winners. Category winners will receive $10,000 with finalists in each category receiving $2,000. The supreme winner will receive an extra $5,000 on top of their $10,000 category win, and a $5,000 educational package. The award categories are: Leadership, Equine Handling (Stud or Stable), Greyhound Excellence, Dedication to Breeding, Dedication to Racing, Administrative and Ancillary Services, Care and Welfare, Newcomer and National Racing Woman of the Year. Several racing stakeholders have also come on board to support the awards. “It’s outstanding to have IRT, Windsor Park Stud, Waikato Stud and Breckon Farms join us in supporting our young New Zealand talent,” Cameron Rodger said. Entain Australia and New Zealand Deputy Chief Executive Lachlan Fitt said the quality of the people involved in the New Zealand industry was a strong influence behind Entain entering the strategic partnership, which began almost one year ago on 1 June 2023. “We were very intentional in including the establishment of these awards as part of our plans,” Lachlan Fitt said. “The current strength and future potential of the New Zealand racing industry and its people was such a strong selling point for us, and we wanted to make sure there was an opportunity to recognise those who contribute today, and who will lead its future tomorrow.” The awards ceremony will be held in Auckland on 28 July, with flights and accommodation supplied for the category finalists. The finalists will be announced and contacted on 4 July. Information on the awards and the nomination process is at entaingroup.co.nz/industryawards. For more information, contact: Matt Smith Senior Manager, Communications Entain Australia and New Zealand M: 027 228 5423 E: matt.smith@entaingroup.co.nz " Edited May 29 by Murray Fish spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 Why is there a category for National Racing Women of the Year? I thought men and women were equals in NZ Racing and compete on equal footing. eg: there is only one Premiership for riders, one for trainers etc so why is there a sexist distinction for one these Entain Awards? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 48 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Why is there a category for National Racing Women of the Year? I thought men and women were equals in NZ Racing and compete on equal footing. eg: there is only one Premiership for riders, one for trainers etc so why is there a sexist distinction for one these Entain Awards? It doesn't do any harm. I imagine our Pam would be at fairly short odds to take it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 Oh dear. A more unlikely happening would be hard to find.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 16 minutes ago, Freda said: Oh dear. A more unlikely happening would be hard to find.... Yes. The award is for rising stars, not established ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 30 Share Posted May 30 10 hours ago, All The Aces said: Why is there a category for National Racing Women of the Year? I thought men and women were equals in NZ Racing and compete on equal footing. eg: there is only one Premiership for riders, one for trainers etc so why is there a sexist distinction for one these Entain Awards? Feeling threatened @All The Aces ? Start transitioning! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 11 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Feeling threatened @All The Aces ? Start transitioning! Were you pissed when you read my post Chief? How did you fathom that I would feel threated by anything. I merely pointed out a sexist award in a non sexiest industry. Men and women compete at every level in this industry as equals with equal opportunity and I applaud that that happens. Therefore I question the need to have National Racing Women Of The Year Award which is based solely on sex. It implys that somehow women are not as good as the men in the industry and they need separate recognition when that is clearly untrue. jamie Kah only said a couple of days ago and I quote "It is not a good female jockey or a good male jockey - its' if they are good jockey and they ride well put them on. There is no sexist people in this industry any more." Perhaps you would point out to us where women can't compete equally in this industry and are therefore inferior hence this condescending Award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 25 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Were you pissed when you read my post Chief? How did you fathom that I would feel threated by anything. I merely pointed out a sexist award in a non sexiest industry. Men and women compete at every level in this industry as equals with equal opportunity and I applaud that that happens. Therefore I question the need to have National Racing Women Of The Year Award which is based solely on sex. It implys that somehow women are not as good as the men in the industry and they need separate recognition when that is clearly untrue. jamie Kah only said a couple of days ago and I quote "It is not a good female jockey or a good male jockey - its' if they are good jockey and they ride well put them on. There is no sexist people in this industry any more." Perhaps you would point out to us where women can't compete equally in this industry and are therefore inferior hence this condescending Award. What he said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 2 hours ago, All The Aces said: Were you pissed when you read my post Chief? How did you fathom that I would feel threated by anything. I merely pointed out a sexist award in a non sexiest industry. Men and women compete at every level in this industry as equals with equal opportunity and I applaud that that happens. Therefore I question the need to have National Racing Women Of The Year Award which is based solely on sex. It implys that somehow women are not as good as the men in the industry and they need separate recognition when that is clearly untrue. jamie Kah only said a couple of days ago and I quote "It is not a good female jockey or a good male jockey - its' if they are good jockey and they ride well put them on. There is no sexist people in this industry any more." Perhaps you would point out to us where women can't compete equally in this industry and are therefore inferior hence this condescending Award. You are blinded by your bigotry. There is ample evidence of sexist bias in the industry. You can read it in the comments a few hardened old group make on BOAY. Didn't you see the sexist comments in the Morphettville Thread? Further evidence can be seen in the employment cases that have been taken in recent times. I see some irony in your mention of Jamie Kah - @Newmarket doesn't share your view as he sees her to be vastly inferior to her male counterparts. I don't see the award as condescending and I'm surprised @Freda agrees with you. Quite frankly by definition all awards are condescending. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: You are blinded by your bigotry. There is ample evidence of sexist bias in the industry. You can read it in the comments a few hardened old group make on BOAY. Didn't you see the sexist comments in the Morphettville Thread? Further evidence can be seen in the employment cases that have been taken in recent times. I see some irony in your mention of Jamie Kah - @Newmarket doesn't share your view as he sees her to be vastly inferior to her male counterparts. I don't see the award as condescending and I'm surprised @Freda agrees with you. Quite frankly by definition all awards are condescending. What bigotry? I stated "Men and women compete at every level in this industry as equals with equal opportunity and I applaud that that happens." There is no bigotry there. People's comments or thoughts on BOYA have no relevance to what actually happens in the industry. Give me an actual example of where women can't compete equally in this industry and are therefore inferior hence this condescending Award. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 10 hours ago, All The Aces said: What bigotry? I stated "Men and women compete at every level in this industry as equals with equal opportunity and I applaud that that happens." There is no bigotry there. People's comments or thoughts on BOYA have no relevance to what actually happens in the industry. Give me an actual example of where women can't compete equally in this industry and are therefore inferior hence this condescending Award. There are no rules stopping them but if you think there is zero institutional bias then you are wearing Murphy Blinds, Side Winkers, Ear plugs and a shadow roll. People's thoughts on BOAY are representative of a wide range of attitudes within the industry. I've seen enough sexist remarks on BOAY to confirm there is still widespread institutional bias in the industry at many levels. You doth protest too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 I posted a research paper in the Jamie Kah thread that came to the conclusion that even punters when making wagering decisions have a bias against female jockeys I.e. when choosing between two even horses and one has a statistically better female jockey than the other which has a lesser male jockey the latter will be chosen. Which for the enlightened is great because they will get more value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 10 hours ago, All The Aces said: Give me an actual example of where women can't compete equally in this industry and are therefore inferior hence this condescending Award. I look forward to seeing your petition to cancel the award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted May 31 Share Posted May 31 You keep giving me opinions and feelings and counter your case re the wagering aspect two posts ago by showing women riders are not inferior. This is 2024 not 1974 and you haven'y yet provided any concrete evidence where women can't compete on an equal footing in this industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 3 hours ago, All The Aces said: You keep giving me opinions and feelings and counter your case re the wagering aspect two posts ago by showing women riders are not inferior. This is 2024 not 1974 and you haven'y yet provided any concrete evidence where women can't compete on an equal footing in this industry. Where did I say they couldn't compete? I suggested they weren't treated equally or fairly and that there was an institutional bias in the industry. Your comments just confirm my opinion. Why is it the industry is still perceived to be a male dominated industry run by old stale males? It may be 2024 but it is still perceived to be stuck in 1974. The research paper is dated 2022. Why would an award for a female rising star under 40 year old worry you so much? Perhaps the publicity around the award may broaden the appeal of the industry to a wider audience that is under-represented. 1-s2.0-S0167268122002864-main.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 20 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Where did I say they couldn't compete? I suggested they weren't treated equally or fairly and that there was an institutional bias in the industry. Your comments just confirm my opinion. Why is it the industry is still perceived to be a male dominated industry run by old stale males? It may be 2024 but it is still perceived to be stuck in 1974. The research paper is dated 2022. Why would an award for a female rising star under 40 year old worry you so much? Perhaps the publicity around the award may broaden the appeal of the industry to a wider audience that is under-represented. 1-s2.0-S0167268122002864-main.pdf 585.77 kB · 2 downloads This is UK based study not New Zealand based and has no relevance to what happens here. We are talking about a NZ Award. Still waiting for you to provide evidence that women aren't able to compete on equal footing in NZ in this industry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 42 minutes ago, All The Aces said: This is UK based study not New Zealand based and has no relevance to what happens here. Why does it have no relevance? Are you suggesting NZ is completely different to the UK? We await your erudite analysis. 43 minutes ago, All The Aces said: Still waiting for you to provide evidence that women aren't able to compete on equal footing in NZ in this industry. I didn't say they couldn't compete equally so no need to provide any evidence. However it is questionable that there is no institutional bias and female participants are treated equally and promoted on merit. But what has that got to do with the award? What is your specific criticism of promoting a female rising star under the age of 40? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 On 5/30/2024 at 10:21 PM, Doomed said: It doesn't do any harm. I imagine our Pam would be at fairly short odds to take it out. You old flatterer you!! I thought it was intended for under 40's. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 Don't you think in a country of 5 million we have a lot of awards for a lot of unusual categories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 1 hour ago, Special Agent said: Don't you think in a country of 5 million we have a lot of awards for a lot of unusual categories. Well, a lot of fairly unusual types have ended up in Parliament. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted June 4 Share Posted June 4 13 hours ago, Special Agent said: Don't you think in a country of 5 million we have a lot of awards for a lot of unusual categories. My favourite isthe owners award, they got a discount on the engraving by just putting the Lindsays on it for the next 20 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted June 4 Author Share Posted June 4 11 hours ago, Doomed said: Well, a lot of fairly unusual types have ended up in Parliament. In a previous life, I had access to those sorts (80's 90's), perhaps a average mark would have been given. Jump to now! wow! So many would struggle to be rated Light Weights! Perhaps mirroring the depth of open class and group racing currently in NZ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 So the finalists have been named 29 of them. Looking at the names it appears that there are only 7 or 8 males nominated which illustrates the point I have made earlier that women are able to compete on equal footing in this industry It also further illustrates why the need for a special codescending sexist National Women of The Year Award which leaves out the males, rather than having an overall National Winner with everyone eligible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 7 minutes ago, All The Aces said: So the finalists have been named 29 of them. Looking at the names it appears that there are only 7 or 8 males nominated which illustrates the point I have made earlier that women are able to compete on equal footing in this industry It also further illustrates why the need for a special codescending sexist National Women of The Year Award which leaves out the males, rather than having an overall National Winner with everyone eligible. That should read 7 or 8 male finalists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted July 12 Share Posted July 12 1 hour ago, All The Aces said: It also further illustrates why the need for a special codescending sexist National Women of The Year Award which leaves out the males, rather than having an overall National Winner with everyone eligible. You'd still run last. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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