JJ Flash Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 Recently have been totally out of form in Canterbury and the Coast .7 meetings since NZMet on 13th December for just the 2 wins. Seems strange given they won the premiership so easily 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 39 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Recently have been totally out of form in Canterbury and the Coast .7 meetings since NZMet on 13th December for just the 2 wins. Seems strange given they won the premiership so easily Here we go! The last conspiracy of 2024! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 29, 2024 Share Posted December 29, 2024 Overall 3 wins and 8 placings in the time you mention. Plus a second and third in a Grp 1. On or about their average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted December 29, 2024 Author Share Posted December 29, 2024 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Overall 3 wins Bryces Meddle at Rangiora and Judine yesterday. Which one did i miss? The thread is about winners and their Woodend stables current form Anyways you moan about me not posting threads on here and when i do you bag me and call me a conspiracy theorist. Edited December 30, 2024 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 3 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Bryces Meddle at Rangiora and Judine yesterday. Which one did i miss? The thread is about winners and their Woodend stables current form Anyways you moan about me not posting threads on here and when i do you bag me and call me a conspiracy theorist. Well why does it seem "so strange" as you suggest? The current form for the stable is within the normal variance. You are just as bad as the Te Akau knockers and @Yankiwi use of stats. You choose the last two weeks of the harness season and call it a trend!! Or rather call it "strange"! You don't even bother to show the variance for the two weeks compared to their UDR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 BTW @JJ Flash I don't complain about you NOT posting just the fact that the only time you do it is to have a dig at someone or a stable. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted December 30, 2024 Author Share Posted December 30, 2024 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: BTW @JJ Flash I don't complain about you NOT posting just the fact that the only time you do it is to have a dig at someone or a stable. You have on numerous occasions but it's clear you see me as adding no value so i wont waste my time on here again. That should make you happy. You will also be able to have the last word which is something you clearly enjoy. Edited December 30, 2024 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 I think JJ just means you would expect more from the Countries leading stable. with all the Big races available All through the year. Paddling around with the 'Lobster' on the grass only gives so much stable reputation points 😂. They of course had 'Sundee's Son' who proved near the greatest of All time in recent years Trotting. but retired more than 2 years now. wonder what happened to Sunny's Sister ?? who won the Oaks-Derby double this time last year. She might of gone on to be the replacement at the Top Level on those runs but didn't show up to races?. 'Mighty Logan' was a good 2nd in the Dominion , seems the Top Dunn trotter now. but has No group race wins and only won 8 of 32 starts for $170k. (60k of which was for 2nd in the Dominion.) so is no star or anything 🤔. (yet) And they don't have a Cup Pacer? 'Charlie Brown' I thought could win the Invercargill Cup (but didn't) the other day. Classie Brigade toiled in many Group races for a lot of years for a few placings, but I couldn't name a race he won. So can't they get a Cup class replacement ? Merlin , Don't Stop Dreaming and the Aussies are dominating. (Dalgety's are getting closer with the Karrots fav in Republican Party . (1st Invercargill and 3rd in both last NZ and Auckland Cups) but Dunn's need to get involved ?. Surely the 'Countries leading Stable' should have more to compete at Top level than 'Charlie' and 'Dalton Shard' ? 'Choc's' looked good for a moment during the year, in the 2 year olds , but suspect that Regan Todds 'Marketplace' will clean him up through the Derbies and Sires stakes of 2025. so think no conspiracy Chief. Just asking are the Leading stable capable of being competitive in the Big feature goes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 3 minutes ago, Gammalite said: I think JJ just means you would expect more from the Countries leading stable. with all the Big races available All through the year. Paddling around with the 'Lobster' on the grass only gives so much stable reputation points 😂. They are only leading on wins not stakes. They have always been a volume trainer - over 800 starts this year. They had 100 more starts than the second placed Telfer stable and over 500 more starts than Purdon and Phelan (283 starts) who won $500,000 more in stakes!! So the last two weeks for the Dunns isn't "strange" it is par for the course for them! Anyway I can't be bothered counting but I would guess over the last two weeks the number of starters they have had would be down. Add to that the fact that Robert was very ill around Cup time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westview Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 31 minutes ago, Gammalite said: I think JJ just means you would expect more from the Countries leading stable. with all the Big races available All through the year. Paddling around with the 'Lobster' on the grass only gives so much stable reputation points 😂. They of course had 'Sundee's Son' who proved near the greatest of All time in recent years Trotting. but retired more than 2 years now. wonder what happened to Sunny's Sister ?? who won the Oaks-Derby double this time last year. She might of gone on to be the replacement at the Top Level on those runs but didn't show up to races?. 'Mighty Logan' was a good 2nd in the Dominion , seems the Top Dunn trotter now. but has No group race wins and only won 8 of 32 starts for $170k. (60k of which was for 2nd in the Dominion.) so is no star or anything 🤔. (yet) And they don't have a Cup Pacer? 'Charlie Brown' I thought could win the Invercargill Cup (but didn't) the other day. Classie Brigade toiled in many Group races for a lot of years for a few placings, but I couldn't name a race he won. So can't they get a Cup class replacement ? Merlin , Don't Stop Dreaming and the Aussies are dominating. (Dalgety's are getting closer with the Karrots fav in Republican Party . (1st Invercargill and 3rd in both last NZ and Auckland Cups) but Dunn's need to get involved ?. Surely the 'Countries leading Stable' should have more to compete at Top level than 'Charlie' and 'Dalton Shard' ? 'Choc's' looked good for a moment during the year, in the 2 year olds , but suspect that Regan Todds 'Marketplace' will clean him up through the Derbies and Sires stakes of 2025. so think no conspiracy Chief. Just asking are the Leading stable capable of being competitive in the Big feature goes? The great Aussie knocking machine strikes again, but to knock a man's Lobster 🦞 just not on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 7 minutes ago, Westview said: The great Aussie knocking machine strikes again, but to knock a man's Lobster 🦞 just not on. Just asking the question . I'm far more likely to knock Yole and Grimson than anything in NZ.😅 In fact i've been a lone advocate on supporting North Island trotting' and many NZ stables for a long time at this site, and about the place, that gets relentlessly bagged by many . even after the amazing results last week. Many congrats on Bounce and Beyond winning one of those good prizes. I was thrilled it won . and wished you well before that race even. I wish for Dunn's to be at the top as much as anyone else. I supported their 2 horses at Invercargill on a thread here , and even had some money on them. Republican Party far too good though unfortunately. The Absolute Top stables are SELECTIVE in who they produce at the races. The Grimson, The Halls, Luke McCarthy, The Emma Stewart Barn for years, Allstars for many years. Now Barry Purdon/Scott Phelan who are in the Stratisphere in recent times with Allstars (Mark and Nat semi retired) with Merlin , DuchessMegxit , Meant To Be, Better knuckle Up, even old Mach Shard won 2 Group 1's this year. Near the best stable On The Planet. And people people Still bag the North lol. A horse like Always B Miki is on the market to Australia, as they train up even better prospects . even though his form is above average. Sorry you take offence with the Rock Lobster, but I don't think she helps the leading stable reputation. She is like a lot of the Dunn horses, and is more of a Hobby Trainer prospect you would think. she is quite Shakey at the moment but hope she comes good for you. Dunn's race quite a few that should be with Hobby trainers and make room for a Big owner with Big dollars like Pete McMullen, Grimson, Allstars, Big Barry , Emma Stewart and other trainer s do All the time, Every year. so they are getting the Big Race success All the time. unlike Dunn's. I really hope Dalton Shard can win the Auckland Cup , and prove me wrong . NZ's Leading stable should have more Group Race success . I don't think many of their stable returned a profit for the year , just racing in all those little races all the time. a thought based on their years earnings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westview Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 2 hours ago, Gammalite said: Just asking the question . I'm far more likely to knock Yole and Grimson than anything in NZ.😅 In fact i've been a lone advocate on supporting North Island trotting' and many NZ stables for a long time at this site, and about the place, that gets relentlessly bagged by many . even after the amazing results last week. Many congrats on Bounce and Beyond winning one of those good prizes. I was thrilled it won . and wished you well before that race even. I wish for Dunn's to be at the top as much as anyone else. I supported their 2 horses at Invercargill on a thread here , and even had some money on them. Republican Party far too good though unfortunately. The Absolute Top stables are SELECTIVE in who they produce at the races. The Grimson, The Halls, Luke McCarthy, The Emma Stewart Barn for years, Allstars for many years. Now Barry Purdon/Scott Phelan who are in the Stratisphere in recent times with Allstars (Mark and Nat semi retired) with Merlin , DuchessMegxit , Meant To Be, Better knuckle Up, even old Mach Shard won 2 Group 1's this year. Near the best stable On The Planet. And people people Still bag the North lol. A horse like Always B Miki is on the market to Australia, as they train up even better prospects . even though his form is above average. Sorry you take offence with the Rock Lobster, but I don't think she helps the leading stable reputation. She is like a lot of the Dunn horses, and is more of a Hobby Trainer prospect you would think. she is quite Shakey at the moment but hope she comes good for you. Dunn's race quite a few that should be with Hobby trainers and make room for a Big owner with Big dollars like Pete McMullen, Grimson, Allstars, Big Barry , Emma Stewart and other trainer s do All the time, Every year. so they are getting the Big Race success All the time. unlike Dunn's. I really hope Dalton Shard can win the Auckland Cup , and prove me wrong . NZ's Leading stable should have more Group Race success . I don't think many of their stable returned a profit for the year , just racing in all those little races all the time. a thought based on their years earnings. I don't take offense with the Lobster alot of other trainers would of sacked her before she raced I'm picking. They have worked miracles with her and even at the mot Johnny said she went huge . Her main problem is she just gets so wound up but has got ability and it will click one day. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 (edited) 7 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: They are only leading on wins not stakes. They have always been a volume trainer - over 800 starts this year. They had 100 more starts than the second placed Telfer stable and over 500 more starts than Purdon and Phelan (283 starts) who won $500,000 more in stakes!! So the last two weeks for the Dunns isn't "strange" it is par for the course for them! Anyway I can't be bothered counting but I would guess over the last two weeks the number of starters they have had would be down. Add to that the fact that Robert was very ill around Cup time. Indeed Robert has had a lot on his plate. Recently he took his health 'issue' to a top USA medical institution .......the good news for all of us was that his NZ notes/opinion etc were rated as world class by the world-class Americans. Robert obviously keeps very busy.....Galah is often confused about his role at ATC but yes RJD is on the Board still at ATC....incidentally just today the ATC president sent members a very positive summary of the ATC's performance of late and proudly announcedv...the ATC is BACK ! [ Please send horses North] The Unhinged weekly stable reports of the Dunn establishment clearly shows what a 'well olied machine' their Wood End stable is. I marvel at the size and efficiency of their staff etc . Certainly an impressive outfit...if it was easy ,many would do it. Here in Auckland 9pm its absolutely pissing down...hopefully just a passing dust settler cos 2 x great days racing coming up ! Re the current circuit of Canterbury and Coast Harness which morphs into Nelson/Marlborogh....gee many use this circuit to educate their horses and give their nags and self a few days away and bit of a holiday.......but gee some of the races are a borefest and many of the horses currently very slow or unfit or both as by the second or third start they struggling to lift their feet. Midrace moves are rare and the final 400m finds many out. The margins just get bigger ! Many finish the race like Browns Cows !! Personally I much prefer the racing on the grit/all weather ....1.55 to 1.57 Mile rates ......Westport Day 1 there were 2.15 MR with half the field tailed Off ! Bit of rain and wind expected tomorrow.....fine/cloud on New Years Ellerslie ! Happy New Year ! Edited December 30, 2024 by TAB For Ever Spelling 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 48 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: Indeed Robert has had a lot on his plate. Recently he took his health 'issue' to a top USA medical institution .......the good news for all of us was that his NZ notes/opinion etc were rated as world class by the world-class Americans. Robert obviously keeps very busy.. Well wishing him all the best to recover from his ailment in that case. nothing worse than chronic illness. and a Big congratulations after tomorrow for being the leading trainer (along with Jenna) with most wins in NZ. here's a throw-back to Robert on his champ , the Beauty MASTER MUSICIAN. superstar. Bet you can't name the race , and the 2nd Placegetter and driver on the inside TABman ?? 😁 if you can't get it Rangatira will have you on toast . he's brilliant at my quizzes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackie Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 (edited) Easy 😎 Edited December 30, 2024 by Blackie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 2 hours ago, Blackie said: Easy 😎 incorrect old sport. there is No registered horse named 'EASY' listed on HRNZ. there is about 100 x 'Easy-somethings' registered over the last 100 years though. including 'Easy Beat' 😂. and there's one called EASYPEZYLEMONSQUEEZY. (I kid you not) Good Grief 😅 That is a commentators nightmare for sure. How could you possibly call your horse that ? 🙄 (It had 10 starts for 2 wins at Auckland about 15 years ago.) Happy New Year Blackie 🎉 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 Kaikoura ,one of the few tracks where the crowd can get so close to finish line inside the track ! And a bit rare to have a Southern horse second in that race....they always produced a few good ones , and kept racing them. Often watched Cardy Bay ,Tactile , Young Quinn , Holy Hal , Lunar Chance ,Robin Dundee , Forto Prontessa , Trevira ,Holmes DG, Sapling , Giovanetto progress thru the ranks ! I think Robert was a Wellington lad when young ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 Kaikoura Cup Giovanetto The Legendary Jack Smolenski. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TAB For Ever Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 12 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said: Kaikoura ,one of the few tracks where the crowd can get so close to finish line inside the track ! And a bit rare to have a Southern horse second in that race....they always produced a few good ones , and kept racing them. Often watched Cardy Bay ,Tactile , Young Quinn , Holy Hal , Lunar Chance ,Robin Dundee , Forto Prontessa , Trevira ,Holmes DG, Sapling , Giovanetto progress thru the ranks ! I think Robert was a Wellington lad when young ! OOPS ...almost forgot Stella Frost , Robalan etc Too busy with the other code.....with NZ's leading owners ,Hazlett s and trainers ...Winsloe ,Cochrane and WHillis and the Collet family etc Plus the best colt of them all.....B McKechnie What happened to Southland ...... Brought in an unlikely Aucklander in Tim Shadbolt to save the place ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trojan Posted December 30, 2024 Share Posted December 30, 2024 12 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Re the current circuit of Canterbury and Coast Harness which morphs into Nelson/Marlborogh....gee many use this circuit to educate their horses and give their nags and self a few days away and bit of a holiday.......but gee some of the races are a borefest and many of the horses currently very slow or unfit or both as by the second or third start they struggling to lift their feet. Midrace moves are rare and the final 400m finds many out. The margins just get bigger ! Many finish the race like Browns Cows !! Personally I much prefer the racing on the grit/all weather ....1.55 to 1.57 Mile rates ......Westport Day 1 there were 2.15 MR with half the field tailed Off ! Great days out and introduces harness racing to the country and holiday makers. For them it isn't a bore fest. Lighten up or get out of your heady eliteness. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 (edited) 18 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Robert obviously keeps very busy.....Galah is often confused about his role at ATC but yes RJD is on the Board still at ATC... I knew he was on the ATC board,never said he wasn't,what i did say was..."he was the auckland representative on the hrnz board,i don't know whether he still is".. to which westview replied no he wasn't. So i guess tabforever, thats your definition of me being confused... by the way,have you got your head around that press release from brad steele. I didn't miss quote it,like you had inferred ,did i. Dunn replaced shaun brooks.I see brooks is back working for HRNZ.You probably know a bit about him i suppose tab for ever? 18 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: .incidentally just today the ATC president sent members a very positive summary of the ATC's performance of late and proudly announcedv...the ATC is BACK ! [ Please send horses North] Did he really say ATC is back (please send horses north),or was that bit your add on tabforever? kinda ironic ,whoever said that,given the auckland club,hrnz and the media have been telling us how positively the field sizes have been impacted by the recent $100,000 racenight. interestingly,given that, for supposedly the clubs biggest night of their year, 3 races have just 7 starters and 4 races have 8 starters. Given,at your suggestion, i've turned over a new leaf and only focus on the postives now,i'm sure punters like the small fields with short prices, as find doing the pre race study wouldn't take long. 18 hours ago, TAB For Ever said: Re the current circuit of Canterbury and Coast Harness which morphs into Nelson/Marlborogh....gee many use this circuit to educate their horses and give their nags and self a few days away and bit of a holiday.......but gee some of the races are a borefest and many of the horses currently very slow or unfit or both as by the second or third start they struggling to lift their feet. Midrace moves are rare and the final 400m finds many out. The margins just get bigger ! Tabforever,you have actually confused me with those comments. You'd been trying to convert me into thinking those $100,000 race nights at auckland were a great thing,as they were encouraging greater number of starters,more income for industry participants,helping the auckland clubs bank earn more interest from the ATC loans,all raced over 1 mile...oh and other things that will come to light at some stage. But ,then your take on the canterbury west coast racing,which organically sees the big numbers of horses running,big crowds,big turnovers,the places where the industry earns the money to subsidies the stakes at the premier clubs and you speak about them in a negative way. Tabforever,of course you entitled to prefer auckland racing,but don't you think its a bit hypocritical for youon one hand, say the west caost/canterbury circuit can sometimes be a borefest with slow horses,then on the other criticise people like myself for expressing opinions that you view as negative. Finally ,i read a quote the other day that said, "and the ability of its leadership to navigate complex challenges.It will serve as a sobering case study in the delicate balance of power,the risks of executive overreach and the resilience to uphold democratic principles.". I stumbled upon those words of wisdom after reading something about the auckland trotting club,about 3 weeks ago. Who said it,In-Bum Chun,a highly respected south korean military expert.Nah,he was talking about the martial law crisis in south korea,but it could well have been about the auckland club. Good name though aye. Edited December 31, 2024 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 (edited) 23 hours ago, Westview said: I don't take offense with the Lobster alot of other trainers would of sacked her before she raced I'm picking. They have worked miracles with her and even at the mot Johnny said she went huge . Her main problem is she just gets so wound up but has got ability and it will click one day. The lobster certainly went good at motukarara. She looks like one of those horses that needs an uninterupted first 100m and the horse in front of her at motukarara wasjust not going fast enough early. Those type of horses prefer to start on the outside of the ur and often don't like horses off marks starting behind them either,so not sure whether she will go away tomorrow,but her current $16 price seems a bit generous,but then maybe not after 100m.Not telling westview anything he doesn't already know i guess. She has interesting breeding which expains her temperament. Her father,majestic son,certainly has left some good trotters,but many of them can be moody or excitable.Then through in the mothers side,theres been some outstanding trotters there as well, but in recent times those horses with "one "in their names seem to like to gallop a lot. Haven't seen too many ones lately,not sure whether they aren't being bred or maybe the breeders are superstitious and are hoping a name change will change their manners. If you go back 3 or 4 generations on the mothers side, you see the mother of one over kenny,in frances jaybee whose was by a colonial sire in pointer hanover,who george shand trained for the Woods and i think he stood at stud near timaru. frances jaybee was originally trained for its first win by bruce wallace,a then farrier in oamaru who still trains the odd trotter in southland. The oamaru connection obviously was there as p williamson also won with her and a half brother to frances jaybee was raymauwarren sun,who warren barlett (now deceased)trained for most of his career from the oamaru racecourse.He won plenty with him,including i think as a 13 year old. Bartlett used to be one of those oamaru trainers who campaigned a lot of his horses at tracks like forbury. Edited December 31, 2024 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westview Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 53 minutes ago, the galah said: The lobster certainly went good at motukarara. She looks like one of those horses that needs an uninterupted first 100m and the horse in front of her at motukarara wasjust not going fast enough early. Those type of horses prefer to start on the outside of the ur and often don't like horses off marks starting behind them either,so not sure whether she will go away tomorrow,but her current $16 price seems a bit generous,but then maybe not after 100m.Not telling westview anything he doesn't already know i guess. She has interesting breeding which expains her temperament. Her father,majestic son,certainly has left some good trotters,but many of them can be moody or excitable.Then through in the mothers side,theres been some outstanding trotters there as well, but in recent times those horses with "one "in their names seem to like to gallop a lot. Haven't seen too many ones lately,not sure whether they aren't being bred or maybe the breeders are superstitious and are hoping a name change will change their manners. If you go back 3 or 4 generations on the mothers side, you see the mother of one over kenny,in frances jaybee whose was by a colonial sire in pointer hanover,who george shand trained for the Woods and i think he stood at stud near timaru. frances jaybee was originally trained for its first win by bruce wallace,a then farrier in oamaru who still trains the odd trotter in southland. The oamaru connection obviously was there as p williamson also won with her and a half brother to frances jaybee was raymauwarren sun,who warren barlett (now deceased)trained for most of his career from the oamaru racecourse.He won plenty with him,including i think as a 13 year old. Bartlett used to be one of those oamaru trainers who campaigned a lot of his horses at tracks like forbury. The Galah is on the money with the Lobster 🦞 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 On 30/12/2024 at 1:44 PM, Gammalite said: I think JJ just means you would expect more from the Countries leading stable. with all the Big races available All through the year. Paddling around with the 'Lobster' on the grass only gives so much stable reputation points 😂. They of course had 'Sundee's Son' who proved near the greatest of All time in recent years Trotting. but retired more than 2 years now. wonder what happened to Sunny's Sister ?? who won the Oaks-Derby double this time last year. She might of gone on to be the replacement at the Top Level on those runs but didn't show up to races?. 'Mighty Logan' was a good 2nd in the Dominion , seems the Top Dunn trotter now. but has No group race wins and only won 8 of 32 starts for $170k. (60k of which was for 2nd in the Dominion.) so is no star or anything 🤔. (yet) And they don't have a Cup Pacer? 'Charlie Brown' I thought could win the Invercargill Cup (but didn't) the other day. Classie Brigade toiled in many Group races for a lot of years for a few placings, but I couldn't name a race he won. So can't they get a Cup class replacement ? Merlin , Don't Stop Dreaming and the Aussies are dominating. (Dalgety's are getting closer with the Karrots fav in Republican Party . (1st Invercargill and 3rd in both last NZ and Auckland Cups) but Dunn's need to get involved ?. Surely the 'Countries leading Stable' should have more to compete at Top level than 'Charlie' and 'Dalton Shard' ? 'Choc's' looked good for a moment during the year, in the 2 year olds , but suspect that Regan Todds 'Marketplace' will clean him up through the Derbies and Sires stakes of 2025. so think no conspiracy Chief. Just asking are the Leading stable capable of being competitive in the Big feature goes? Don't be bagging the Lobster lol. Our girl is very much a work in progress,but she was better the other day at the Mot after a minor gallop at the start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted December 31, 2024 Share Posted December 31, 2024 12 hours ago, Mardy said: Don't be bagging the Lobster lol. Our girl is very much a work in progress,but she was better the other day at the Mot after a minor gallop at the start. I apologize for that reference to the Lobster. Westview has already told me off lol 😉. and concede some of these project horses are a 'good challenge' for the leading stables , as much as being with a hobby trainer. I guess even the best of them are prone for a gallop at times. Muscle mountain used to gallop from a stand now and then. OscarB even galloped out of the mobile starts last night. As far as the Dunn stable is concerned , they ironed out the Great 'Sundee's Son' who also did a couple of can-can tricks time to time, as did 'Sunny's Sister' , but they (Diamonds stable) got her to take a super impressive Oaks-Derby double recent years, and 'Bounce and Beyond' won very well last week for the Diamonds stable too , in a golden gait (50k to winner ) race. So have got that horse running ok too these days after a few Spring Gallops . Our leading trainer in QLD (Pete McMullen) wins 2 metro Races every week . Has a couple of Aadies Express siblings too for Mikke Tanev. He has a few trotters too, and even took one to the recent Interdominion. The bugger of a thing can trot blazing sectionals too, but old 'GUS' flies to pieces all the time , as he did at the Inter yet again . just sort of damages both their 'reputations' in a way. I'd give even him (Gus) to a hobby trainer. My general view is these unruly types take up so much of your time and effort , when you could have 'better' grade winning horses because you are a leading stable as a trainer. You have to draw the Line somewhere with what's in your barn. Emma Stewarts and Allstars do it perfectly over many many years.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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