Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 05:11 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 05:11 AM 4 minutes ago, Special Agent said: Safely through the race the horse is likely to go to Chris Waller. This happens a lot in racing. I'd say Sam Wynne will be thankful for her part of it so far and look forward to the next ones she'll train for Colin Wightman. What a start to anyone's training career. I'm sure Wightman will flick her 10% of the sale price which is the norm - will he not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted yesterday at 05:11 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:11 AM Didn't say there was anything wrong with it. It's fully expected. It was more of a jab at those saying how loyal he was to keep Sam in the saddle, only to take the horse away. And as my father experienced when getting a very good horse taken off him, the trainers' percentage doesn't really mean shit at the end of the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted yesterday at 05:12 AM Author Share Posted yesterday at 05:12 AM 4 minutes ago, Special Agent said: Sam will also be the recipient of the trainer's percentage for the half share sale. Nothing wrong with that. Depends if it was in the contract. It isn't always. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted yesterday at 05:20 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:20 AM 16 minutes ago, Special Agent said: I assume that in the photo it is Colin Wightman leading the filly in No... the be the one and only Shane Phillips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted yesterday at 05:27 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:27 AM 5 minutes ago, Murray Fish said: No... the be the one and only Shane Phillips Yip, quite different to the man himself I've discovered. Gave me something to do for 5 minutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted yesterday at 05:29 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:29 AM 16 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said: Didn't say there was anything wrong with it. It's fully expected. It was more of a jab at those saying how loyal he was to keep Sam in the saddle, only to take the horse away. And as my father experienced when getting a very good horse taken off him, the trainers' percentage doesn't really mean shit at the end of the day. Racing can be cruel. With the way Colin speaks and gives his opinion on all subjects I am sure he will honour the gentleman's agreement. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted yesterday at 05:45 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:45 AM 22 minutes ago, Special Agent said: He goes back to the days of Mandy Brown's filly a nice filly, 'under rated' badly in that years Free Handicap. Upsetting Col big time. I actually have a photo of him leading the filly back to scale? Oakfield? the big two year race at Ricc? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted yesterday at 05:48 AM Share Posted yesterday at 05:48 AM 19 minutes ago, Special Agent said: Yip, quite different to the man himself I've discovered. Gave me something to do for 5 minutes. I have many stories I could share about Col,, over the years, I have (lol) had rather a lot of 'aliases', once, C was best friends with one! and enemy of the other! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago 11 hours ago, Special Agent said: Racing can be cruel. With the way Colin speaks and gives his opinion on all subjects I am sure he will honour the gentleman's agreement. He will. A horse I trained for him some years ago was sold on to HK, no trouble at all to receive the percentage. Which, unless it is written into whatever contractual obligation there is, remains a gentleman's agreement. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago (edited) 18 minutes ago, Freda said: He will. A horse I trained for him some years ago was sold on to HK, no trouble at all to receive the percentage. Which, unless it is written into whatever contractual obligation there is, remains a gentleman's agreement. Agree. Whatever you may think of his social media comments, his business behaviour is impeccable and honourable. Anyway, if there is nothing otherwise set down between the parties, the standard NZTR training agreement applies. where an amount has not been provided for in the Fees Notice, if the Owner sells the Horse to a third party, for the purposes of racing, during the Commission Period or during the 3 month period immediately thereafter, such sum as is equal to ten percent (10%) of the sale price plus Goods and Services Tax, if applicable. Edited 20 hours ago by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago Hard to take him seriously on any of his posts now having sold out. Yep its a decision anyone with common sense would make , but there is a real air of hypocrisy to them now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago 13 hours ago, SLB2.0 said: Didn't say there was anything wrong with it. It's fully expected. It was more of a jab at those saying how loyal he was to keep Sam in the saddle, only to take the horse away. And as my father experienced when getting a very good horse taken off him, the trainers' percentage doesn't really mean shit at the end of the day. I suppose you have to ask yourself if a trainer owned a horse themselves and someone came along and offered them $1m for it would they sell it or keep it? It's a brave person who turns down big money for a horse. Just ask the connections of Kinane. And Colin gets to keep a half share. Seems like a no brainer to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago Definitely a no-brainer. Always take the money, especially for an unproven runner. I wonder if Colin was offered bigger money from Hong Kong? He would likely have to give up 100% though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago Word is the 50% share was more than that for the Filly of the year, so considerable $$ involved. But Wightman has fought what appears now to be an imaginary battle with the OBC and always positioned himself as a champion of the small guy, that's been well and truly lost now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 19 hours ago Author Share Posted 19 hours ago 16 minutes ago, SLB2.0 said: Definitely a no-brainer. Always take the money, especially for an unproven runner. I wonder if Colin was offered bigger money from Hong Kong? Since when have Hong Kong started buying fillies? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 18 hours ago Author Share Posted 18 hours ago 1 hour ago, Freda said: horse I trained for him some years ago was sold on to HK, no trouble at all to receive the percentage. 1 hour ago, curious said: Agree. Whatever you may think of his social media comments, his business behaviour is impeccable and honourable. Wow - oh the irony. So as long as he is honourable in his business dealings with you personally you have no issues with what he says online? His posts are abusive, often misogynist, derogatory and border on slander. The other irony is that when it suits he is happy to mingle with the very people he abuses day in day out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Since when have Hong Kong started buying fillies? Oops! Good point, sir. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 44 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Wow - oh the irony. So as long as he is honourable in his business dealings with you personally you have no issues with what he says online? His posts are abusive, often misogynist, derogatory and border on slander. The other irony is that when it suits he is happy to mingle with the very people he abuses day in day out. Where did I say I have no issues with what he posts online? He well knows I sometimes do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 3 hours ago, Freda said: Which, unless it is written into whatever contractual obligation there is, remains a gentleman's agreement. Is the percentage covered in the default agreement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago Just now, Special Agent said: Is the percentage covered in the default agreement? Yes. As above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Agent Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago Just now, Special Agent said: Is the percentage covered in the default agreement? Sorry Curious, should have read right down to the bottom first. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted 17 hours ago Author Share Posted 17 hours ago 3 hours ago, curious said: where an amount has not been provided for in the Fees Notice, if the Owner sells the Horse to a third party, for the purposes of racing, during the Commission Period or during the 3 month period immediately thereafter, such sum as is equal to ten percent (10%) of the sale price plus Goods and Services Tax, if applicable. Seems a complex way of saying "the trainer of the horse at the time of the sale and transfer of funds shall be paid 10% of the purchase price." Interesting though that it doesn't cover the sale of horse for breeding purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Centaur Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago AS I pointed out previously there is a risk Pivotel Ten could flop in Satuday's race. Its all very well getting carried away with the South Island wins but none of the horses PT has beaten have done much. Only 3 have ever won more than 1 race. In the races PT has won none of the second placed horses have even subsequently placed. There can be no more softer experience for a horse of PT style of racing than running around Gore or even Invercargill. Colin Wightman obviously has seen the risk and gone for the insurance. However its taken away a bit of the underdog emotion for Saturday's race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLB2.0 Posted 12 hours ago Share Posted 12 hours ago It's a strange situation. She's the type of horse that could either win the NZB Kiwi or finish last. Not too many horses present that opportunity. We haven't seen her beat anything, which is why she could run last - and I firmly believe the horse that beat her and went to Hong Kong is a much better type. However, she appears to be a brilliant type that can sustain solid speed, and that will win you plenty of races providing she is well-planned. I firmly believe, with her racing pattern, racing at The Valley would be perfect. She wouldn't give them a chance to run her down, and it always favors on-pace runners that can sustain a high cruising speed. Her worst track would surely be down the Flemington straight, where she won't have a tight turn to hug the rail and kick clear. A good result on Saturday? Top 4 - anything worse than that and she's not a top-tier G1 horse (yet) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murray Fish Posted 11 hours ago Share Posted 11 hours ago 13 minutes ago, The Centaur said: AS I pointed out previously there is a risk Pivotel Ten could flop in Satuday's race tick, it will be interesting to see how she handles all the travel and the hype on the day! What I'm keen to see, is off course, around how 'the talking heads' will handle Team Green! How will Colon handle his 15 minutes of fame! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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