Cultural Cringe - I'd rather see more of horses?

[Trojan]

Seemed like 3 mins.  I guess there are different dress standards for some.

[SLB2.0]

Interesting timing - 2/3min out from the race, when most people are placing their bets, with no odds on screen for minutes.

Apparently the race has some cultural significance...?

[Trojan]

I bet the Koha had a few zeros after the first digit.

[mikeynz]

Personally I think they could have had the maoris doing there thing today, then no one would have to put up with that kind of horse shit😁

[All The Aces]

It was great to be there yesterday, great racing, excellent crowd and a buzz all around the course.

Having the above performers in the birdcage did raise a number of negative comments from people and also asking why they were there. 

One wag said they are here too late. The Otaki-Maori wfa Classic was run two weeks ago.   

 

    

 

[Tim Carter]

Great Haka and well done ARC for arranging this. The majority on course appreciated and acknowledged the Groups performance.

Obviously the Racist's would rather hear God Save the King

[Huey]

Totally unnecessary  before a horse race especially supposedly "the" horse race.

[SLB2.0]

58 minutes ago, Tim Carter said:

Great Haka and well done ARC for arranging this. The majority on course appreciated and acknowledged the Groups performance.

Obviously the Racist's would rather hear God Save the King

If this race (which is brand new) has such cultural significance, why isn't it called The Te Manu Huna a Tane?

It's cool to have a haka, don't get me wrong, but I just didn't see the relevance. Does the New Zealand Stakes have a haka performed, or the Aotearoa Classic?

[curious]

It is the "Kiwi"!

[Trojan]

2 hours ago, Tim Carter said:

Great Haka and well done ARC for arranging this. The majority on course appreciated and acknowledged the Groups performance.

Obviously the Racist's would rather hear God Save the King

It's offensive to label anyone questioning the relevance of a Haka before a race as racist.  

But full credit to tbe Ngāti Whātua they've turned these acts into a profitable business.  But it is getting repetitive, boring and unnecessary.

[Tim Carter]

Cultural cringe is not offensive? Hiding behind a name like Trojan and saying Maori culture is getting boring and unnecessary is easy. Get over it moron.

[Trojan]

1 minute ago, Tim Carter said:

Cultural cringe is not offensive? Hiding behind a name like Trojan and saying Maori culture is getting boring and unnecessary is easy. Get over it moron.

Seems Maori culture is a one trick pony.  How does "Maori Culture" align with horse racing at Ellerslie?

A haka is war cry or war challenge so essentially Ngati Whatu on the biggest racing day of the year are making a statement of war?  

The original peoples of Australia seem more civilised in offering remembrance and a blessing before a sporting event.

BTW is it Maori Culture to start name calling?

[Trojan]

Not to mention there are more Polynesians in Auckland than Maori and many other cultures in significant numbers.

[curious]

59 minutes ago, Trojan said:

A haka is war cry or war challenge so essentially Ngati Whatu on the biggest racing day of the year are making a statement of war? 

BS. Educate yourself. It's obviously doing the controversy bit quite well though.

While there is no one voice to definitively define what haka is, in a recent b95FM podcast kapa haka expert Paora Sharples explained that the very nature of haka is to be controversial so to deny or forbid that aspect of haka is to deny its true purpose....

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While haka indeed played a role in inter-tribal warfare, it was used for all occasions, and was incredibly important in the lives of tīpuna Māori (ancestors), he says.T his practice continues today, with haka performed at celebrations, commemorations, events of sadness, grief, anger or happiness or pride. Weddings, tangi, funerals, graduations, sporting achievements, protests, competitions, all have had haka dedicated to them by different whānau and rōpū.

[Trojan]

1 hour ago, curious said:

BS. Educate yourself. It's obviously doing the controversy bit quite well though.

While there is no one voice to definitively define what haka is, in a recent b95FM podcast kapa haka expert Paora Sharples explained that the very nature of haka is to be controversial so to deny or forbid that aspect of haka is to deny its true purpose....

Really a "kapa haka" expert?

So ATR paid Ngati Whatua thousands to add some controversy?  Great piece of culture that is!

1 hour ago, curious said:

While haka indeed played a role in inter-tribal warfare, it was used for all occasions, and was incredibly important in the lives of tīpuna Māori (ancestors), he says.T his practice continues today, with haka performed at celebrations, commemorations, events of sadness, grief, anger or happiness or pride. Weddings, tangi, funerals, graduations, sporting achievements, protests, competitions, all have had haka dedicated to them by different whānau and rōpū.

Yep they reinvented its purpose!  Well they might need to keep reinventing because it is getting tiresome.

[The Centaur]

6 hours ago, Tim Carter said:

Great Haka and well done ARC for arranging this. The majority on course appreciated and acknowledged the Groups performance.

Obviously the Racist's would rather hear God Save the King

Once again you throw around the "everybody is a racist" slur.

As I mentioned in another post the pre race for many is the race. Look at the importance Hong Kong TV presenters devote to appearance of horses in the minutes leading up to the race. In most countries the pre race culture thing is a national anthem. It can be sung whilst still enabling TV viewers to see the horses. "God save the Queen" is not NZ national anthem. Indeed our national anthem can and is  sung in Maori so no problems there. I'm sure the haka has a place even on a racecourse although I'd much rather  see ladies performing a poi dance routine. The haka is just not suitable in the timeframe before a race.

 

[Chief Stipe]

Why not a well sung national anthem in both languages and a trumpet call like they do at Ascot and Kentucky?

[Tim Carter]

37 minutes ago, The Centaur said:

Once again you throw around the "everybody is a racist" slur.

As I mentioned in another post the pre race for many is the race. Look at the importance Hong Kong TV presenters devote to appearance of horses in the minutes leading up to the race. In most countries the pre race culture thing is a national anthem. It can be sung whilst still enabling TV viewers to see the horses. "God save the Queen" is not NZ national anthem. Indeed our national anthem can and is  sung in Maori so no problems there. I'm sure the haka has a place even on a racecourse although I'd much rather  see ladies performing a poi dance routine. The haka is just not suitable in the timeframe before a race.

 

Most of NZ are not racists not like some that hide behind the keyboard and stir the simmering pot of racism. The younger brigade of NZ embrace Te reo Maori . Take your head out the sand. 

Wasn't the Haka a one off for that race? But it still pissed off some. Unbelievable!

[Trojan]

8 minutes ago, Tim Carter said:

Most of NZ are not racists not like some that hide behind the keyboard and stir the simmering pot of racism. The younger brigade of NZ embrace Te reo Maori . Take your head out the sand.

You're the one that pulled the racist card.  From what I've seen Maori are the ones stocking the fire under the pot because it suits them.

The younger brigade are getting as pissed off as the rest of us at the sense of entitlement a vocal group of Maori have.  Especially those trying to advance in careers and don't meet the quota.  

Hell I was at a Body Corp meeting and two units are owned by Maori - I was accused of being a white supremacist because I pointed out that what they were proposing wasn't allowed by the legislation.  So the racist card gets pulled when it suits and quite frankly it is wearing thin.  

12 minutes ago, Tim Carter said:

Wasn't the Haka a one off for that race? But it still pissed off some. Unbelievable!

The question that many are asking is what was the point of it?  Oh yeah lets pay Ngati Whatua some Koha and roll out yet another haka and met some imaginary cultural obligation. 

So from a Maori perspective @Tim Carter what did the Ngati Whatua haka achieve?

[Rangatira]

56 minutes ago, Trojan said:

So from a Maori perspective @Tim Carter what did the Ngati Whatua haka achieve?

Some Koha?

[curious]

2 hours ago, Trojan said:

Really a "kapa haka" expert?

So ATR paid Ngati Whatua thousands to add some controversy?  Great piece of culture that is!

Yep they reinvented its purpose!  Well they might need to keep reinventing because it is getting tiresome.

That's obviously not what either I or Paora Sharples said. And you more obviously didn't bother clicking the link to find out Paora's expertise. What are your credentials to be an expert on the haka?

[curious]

Do you think the All Blacks should stop doing the haka pre=game in favour of say more expert commentary or interviews with coaches and players?

[billy connolly]

Yes, the Maori All Blacks alone can tongue each other for ever and a day on home soil but certainly not in another country.

Our national anthem sung by a Maori is more appropriate.

Edited just now by billy connolly