End of Allstars dominance confirmed

[Gammalite]

With 5 x Group 1's features up for grabs tonight , is the changing of the guard with NO Allstars win's from their 9 runners.

Ever since SWAYZEE reduced the mighty Allstars barn to 2nd place in the last 2 New Zealand Cups (Akuta and Don't Stop Dreaming) the once great team is racing for 2nd place more than for the Win , for near the past 2 years now. 

NINE stable runners tonight on a Feature Race card and NO wins achieved.

Congrats to ALL their fantastic main rivals Trainers for all the Big wins . Dalgety's (Messenger) Cullens (Oaks) Dunns ( Anzac trotting Cup) Barry and Scott (Trotters Derby) and Regan Todd for the extraordinary win by budding champ MARKETPLACE (in the GN Derby by 7 lengths.)

those 5 x  terrific training teams All continuing their fantastic run of success over past 2 years .

for the record ALLstars were tonight  (2nd in both 2 year old young gun races + 2 unplaced runners as well ) 5th in Oaks, balloted right out of trotting Derby, 2nd in pacing Derby, 7th in Messenger and old stable warrior OscarB just a battling 6th in the Anzac Trot.  might need to get back to Rolleston ? 

[Brodie]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

With 5 x Group 1's features up for grabs tonight , is the changing of the guard with NO Allstars win's from their 9 runners.

Ever since SWAYZEE reduced the mighty Allstars barn to 2nd place in the last 2 New Zealand Cups (Akuta and Don't Stop Dreaming) the once great team is racing for 2nd place more than for the Win , for near the past 2 years now. 

NINE stable runners tonight on a Feature Race card and NO wins achieved.

Congrats to ALL their fantastic main rivals Trainers for all the Big wins . Dalgety's (Messenger) Cullens (Oaks) Dunns ( Anzac trotting Cup) Barry and Scott (Trotters Derby) and Regan Todd for the extraordinary win by budding champ MARKETPLACE (in the GN Derby by 7 lengths.)

those 5 x  terrific training teams All continuing their fantastic run of success over past 2 years .

for the record ALLstars were tonight  (2nd in both 2 year old young gun races + 2 unplaced runners as well ) 5th in Oaks, balloted right out of trotting Derby, 2nd in pacing Derby, 7th in Messenger and old stable warrior OscarB just a battling 6th in the Anzac Trot.  might need to get back to Rolleston ? 

Gamma, think the training establishment at Rolleston wouldnt be compatible with all the residential property owners that will be living there!

Good to see the spoils being shared around though.

Didnt watch many of the races tonight, Addington had more appeal punting wise!

Did look at a few tote pools from time to time, they appeared to be very light for the stake money offered, so pretty sure it will be another unprofitable meeting?

[Gammalite]

9 hours ago, Brodie said:

Good to see the spoils being shared around though.

Didnt watch many of the races tonight, Addington had more appeal punting wise!

Did look at a few tote pools from time to time, they appeared to be very light

People don't waste their punting dollar like they used too Brodster. I'm a big supporter of NZ harness and didn't put much on.

and when you see what happened to Muscle Mountain ( stupid standing start stuff once again destroying a race) you wouldn't bet on that with stolen money.

The racing was terrific as usual though , and you missed seeing 2 of the best NZ has racing stride to victory in Marketplace ( breaking the track record in his 7 lengths win ) and Republican Party with one of your fav's Carter Dalgety driving a great race and taking the spoils. At great punting Appeal too drawn the Ace.

so you miss out on all the South Island glory by not being open to investment with all those lovely South Island winners at the'' Ribbon of Light'

A simple   1 - 1 - 1  multi from the pole draws for a Tenner.  Arafura (Oaks) - Marketplace (Derby) - Republican Party (Messenger ) = $400 for 10 bucks mate. 

Let's face it Brodie old mate, you have lost your punting touch Brodster if scratching around Addington with the 'slow' horses looking for a quid 🤣😂😂  makes the collects a bit slow too lol 😉

[Brodie]

18 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

People don't waste their punting dollar like they used too Brodster. I'm a big supporter of NZ harness and didn't put much on.

and when you see what happened to Muscle Mountain ( stupid standing start stuff once again destroying a race) you wouldn't bet on that with stolen money.

The racing was terrific as usual though , and you missed seeing 2 of the best NZ has racing stride to victory in Marketplace ( breaking the track record in his 7 lengths win ) and Republican Party with one of your fav's Carter Dalgety driving a great race and taking the spoils. At great punting Appeal too drawn the Ace.

so you miss out on all the South Island glory by not being open to investment with all those lovely South Island winners at the'' Ribbon of Light'

A simple   1 - 1 - 1  multi from the pole draws for a Tenner.  Arafura (Oaks) - Marketplace (Derby) - Republican Party (Messenger ) = $400 for 10 bucks mate. 

Let's face it Brodie old mate, you have lost your punting touch Brodster if scratching around Addington with the 'slow' horses looking for a quid 🤣😂😂  makes the collects a bit slow too lol 😉

Ii is good to have racing for the better class horses, for good stake money.

I just find it far easier and preferable to wager on looser class racing and that is where the money is to be made.

Reality is that most of the winners of the bigger stakes races continue to come from Canterbury.

Would be interesting to see the betting figures for Auckland as I believe fewer punters are bothering betting up there.

The turnover figures are inflated due to the bonus cash being given back.

From all the extra advertising that the TAB is doing, is it attracting new punters or extra wagering?

[Blackie]

Looked like thousands turned away at Alex Park.

Meanwhile, NZ Metro was going off with The Warriors playing next door straight after. Maybe thats the way ahead, combining events and feeding off one another. Food for thought

[Muzza]

2 hours ago, Blackie said:

Looked like thousands turned away at Alex Park.

Meanwhile, NZ Metro was going off with The Warriors playing next door straight after. Maybe thats the way ahead, combining events and feeding off one another. Food for thought

Gotta have the required admin nous first.

[Newmarket]

It always did amaze me how much work some runners could do during a race, yet still win in record time. 
So are they still involved with below? 

[Chief Stipe]

27 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

It always did amaze me how much work some runners could do during a race, yet still win in record time. 

Obviously you are new to the Sport.  I've seen horses doing it for 55 years.  The difference is with better breeding there are more able to do it.  The Bettor's Delight influence has been significant.

[Newmarket]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Obviously you are new to the Sport.  I've seen horses doing it for 55 years.  The difference is with better breeding there are more able to do it.  The Bettor's Delight influence has been significant.

Not sure you follow much harness….. I understand race times are getting faster most years, but w

hat I am saying is  that a particular stable that once had horses racing 3 wide winning, can no longer do this, and remember some previous unreal performances were run by 2nd tier nags. Forget the bettors delight theory, I’m more interested in the info I have supplied, are they still involved with this ?

[Chief Stipe]

20 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Not sure you follow much harness….. I understand race times are getting faster most years, but w

hat I am saying is  that a particular stable that once had horses racing 3 wide winning, can no longer do this, and remember some previous unreal performances were run by 2nd tier nags. Forget the bettors delight theory, I’m more interested in the info I have supplied, are they still involved with this ?

What you are inferring is that the All Stars had some magical advantage.   What I'm saying is that factually that doesn't hold up and also the gap between a lot of trainers has closed.  Also contrary to your assertion the partnership between Mark and Nathan Purdon is performing at a similar level to the other partnerships that Mark has had with a smaller number of horses.

In the 2024 season they still picked up $2.2m in stakes with a UDR of 0.3745.  They were 2nd in the 2023 Trainers Premiership with 83 wins, a UDR of 0.4572 which was miles ahead of everyone else and over $3m in stakes.  Their stakes winnings was $1m more than the Dunns who won the Premiership.

So I need to correct myself - they do seem to be as dominant as always.  They just don't have the same number of horses.

[Rangatira]

9 hours ago, Brodie said:

Would be interesting to see the betting figures for Auckland as I believe fewer punters are bothering betting up there.

I am more interested in seeing the new lights at The Watu.

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

I am more interested in seeing the new lights at The Watu.

Wheres the Watu?

[Rangatira]

12 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Wheres the Watu?

250k south of Taupo. (for non trotting folk)

A Tick over 500k from The Ribbon of Light.

About 370k from The Bridge

Edited 29 minutes ago by Rangatira

[Gammalite]

1 minute ago, Rangatira said:

250k south of Taupo.

 

13 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Wheres the Watu?

Ranga has lost his Mana ?   what happened young fella ? follow too many Brodster Tips ? 🤣😋

 

[Rangatira]

8 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

 

Ranga has lost his Mana ?   what happened young fella ? follow too many Brodster Tips ? 🤣😋

 

Old Money Bags increased the price of his 0900 number so I'm rudderless until Centerlink come through.

[Gammalite]

1 minute ago, Rangatira said:

Old Money Bags increased the price of his 0900 number so I'm rudderless until Centerlink come through.

oh well , at least they are still in business and supporting the industry there at the links .

you might get your 'Mana' back at the 'Watu' if you visit there?  😉 . One things for sure is you that won't find the Brodster hanging around there 🤣.