south island apprentice jockeys

[the galah]

i've been watching the south island gallops and i wonder whether sometimes the apprentice jockeys are just riding to instructions and that trainers are telling whatever you do, don't do this or that.

either that or some are as bad as i have ever seen.

race 1 at invercargill,friendofthedevil .i guess the apprentice was under instructions to not move until they turned for home. it went from the perfect 1/1 position and travelling great with 600m to gor,then  waited till halfway down the straight,some 10 lengths from the leader and finally being asked to go.

soemthing seems wrong when they get ridden so bad. I just not sure the reason for it?

Edited 21 hours ago by the galah

[mikeynz]

31 minutes ago, the galah said:

i've been watching the south island gallops and i wonder whether sometimes the apprentice jockeys are just riding to instructions and that trainers are telling whatever you do, don't do this or that.

either that or some are as bad as i have ever seen.

race 1 at invercargill,friendofthedevil .i guess the apprentice was under instructions to not move until they turned for home. it went from the perfect 1/1 position and travelling great with 600m to gor,then  waited till halfway down the straight,some 10 lengths from the leader and finally being asked to go.

soemthing seems wrong when they get ridden so bad. I just not sure the reason for it?

Maybe the trainers could ride them instead.

 

[curious]

1 hour ago, mikeynz said:

Maybe the trainers could ride them instead.

 

Not enough room in the sauna for many of them and quite a few already get a pension and wouldn't need the extra money.

[the galah]

I remmeber the days when the likes of lisa allpress would ride at invercargill and would start improving with 800m to go then really push them along from the 600m .She and one or two other north island jockeys used to win a lot of races that way.

for them it all was about forward momentum.

but you look at most of those races today,not one jockey is doing that. most of them just sit there,then with about 400m to go ask their horses to go but the track seems too wet to accelerate much and they miss the boat unless they are in the first 2 or 3.

i miss having those north island jockeys riding down there as at least you knew if you backed one that lost, it lost because it wasn't good enough.

those were the days.

[Chief Stipe]

 

[Chief Stipe]

Didn't look to be going good enough when it needed to improve.  

[Freda]

Didn't think so either. 

If you look he would have been 4-5 wide if he had elected to improve, he's young and inexperienced,  may have been scared to do that.

You can do that at Invercargill along Finlay Rd but likely no one has told him.

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Didn't look to be going good enough when it needed to improve.  

dont know what race you watched chief. 

he was cruising in the 1/1 ,behind a horse that was not taking him into the race,then he let a horse move up outside him and box him in at the 500m ,which given he was over racing looked rather stupid,then he didn't know whether to follow the one that he had been following that was gong  nowhere or follow the one that had improved ouside him going nowhere,then he overracesd as he had to restrain it to stop it getting on the heels,then got out with 200m to run,having lost 10 lengths on the winner in just 200m. 

Obviously he has never been taught about the forward momentumfactor  on a heavy track,or the trainer had no confidence in his abilty and chose to give him instructions and because he wanted to ride to instructions,he did what he did.

personally i've noticed that stable seems to get their apprentice jockeys to keep something up the sleeve for a last dab. Thats all well and good if they are in the first 2 0r 3 but personally think that is part of the reason that stable had such a long losing streak recently.At least when they put k williams on she thinks for herself. In my opinion.

Edited 16 hours ago by the galah

[Doomed]

Interesting race actually. The jockey had two options, the option he took didn't work as he has no momentum coming into the straight. We will never know if option two, getting the horse rolling from the 600m, might have worked or not. If he had tried option two and got run down, people would have complained about him going too early. Option two always looks impressive when it comes off.

[Chief Stipe]

32 minutes ago, the galah said:

dont know what race you watched chief.

The one I uploaded which is the same race you started the post about.

33 minutes ago, the galah said:

he was cruising in the 1/1 ,behind a horse that was not taking him into the race,then he let a horse move up outside him and box him in at the 500m ,which given he was over racing looked rather stupid,then he didn't know whether to follow the one that he had been following that was gong  nowhere or follow the one that had improved ouside him going nowhere,then he overracesd as he had to restrain it to stop it getting on the heels,then got out with 200m to run,having lost 10 lengths on the winner in just 200m. 

It wasn't horse 11 that was overracing.  It was horse 2 that was and it finished 2nd.  Horse 11 couldn't go with it.  He lost 10 lengths because he couldn't go quick enough.  You were looking at the wrong horse!

 

[the galah]

1 hour ago, Doomed said:

Interesting race actually. The jockey had two options, the option he took didn't work as he has no momentum coming into the straight. We will never know if option two, getting the horse rolling from the 600m, might have worked or not. If he had tried option two and got run down, people would have complained about him going too early. Option two always looks impressive when it comes off.

I don't know.

i can't see how anyone could have complained if he made the very obvious forward move.

I bet most who backed it would be saying very negative things about that ride.

 

34 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

The one I uploaded which is the same race you started the post about.

It wasn't horse 11 that was overracing.  It was horse 2 that was and it finished 2nd.  Horse 11 couldn't go with it.  He lost 10 lengths because he couldn't go quick enough.  You were looking at the wrong horse!

 

Like i said,i completely disagree with your opinion.

Personally i thought that ride was amongst the worst i've seen.But he is a 4kg claimer so these things can happen andhe will know doubt get better. 

but like i have also said,if you happen to watch every race in the south island closely,like i have been in recent months,there seems to be a pattern in how that stables horses are ridden,when ridden by apprentices. Which is why i think it may be related to the instructions they are getting.

In other words,i think its obvious sometimes the galloping trainers don't have much confidence in their jockeys,so try to think of everything for them and instead of helping them its actually hindering their chances and over complicating things in the inexperienced jockeys minds.

lAnd i think the stable i mention is an example of where that happens a lot.

the a carston stable i see has trained 20 winners so far this year earning $772,000. Quite impressive.

Whats not so impressive is their strike rate which is the 2nd worst of the top 75 trainers.

his horses do always look really good and healthy

Edited 15 hours ago by the galah

[Chief Stipe]

Well the Stipes agree with you but I think they've been a bit harsh.  He was on the back of the second horse and couldn't go with it.

FRIENDOFTHEDEVIL (A Mudhoo) - Held up rounding the final bend and early in the run home until passing the 200 metres. Stewards questioned rider A Mudhoo in the presence of the Riding Mentor J Laking, regarding the tactics he adopted during the running, in particular when electing not to shift out and progress forward prior to being covered by the improving DARKHAN ROAR near 700 metres resulting in his mount becoming held up. Mr Mudhoo explained that he felt he was in a good position at this stage in the running however he had not been taken into the race by PRINCEOFHARPZ which commenced to give ground from this point. Mr Mudhoo agreed with the Stewards that he had erred on this occasion and was advised he would be expected to show better judgement in future.

[Chief Stipe]

40 minutes ago, the galah said:

Personally i thought that ride was amongst the worst i've seen.

I've seen worse and by Senior Jockeys!!  I can show a video of one by a Jockey in a Group 1 race.  The same Jockey won the Premiership that year!!  Go figure!

[Doomed]

Pretty good stipes report really. They picked up the error he made and the jockey agreed. Its the only way he will learn. I never criticism southern jockeys as they get so few opportunities. Hard to learn without practice.