Good to see! - Committee being formed for TAB!

[Newmarket]

16 minutes ago, Westview said:

Betcha is approximately 6% of turnover which is pretty good for a targeted market. 

Only 6% of all NZ turnover? Wow, thought it would be more that. Do you know the breakdown sport vrs racing? 
 

I struggle with the targeted market…. as they offer everything the TAB has so targeting the same market. Only real difference, all deposits a withdrawels online only. 

[Chief Stipe]

2 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Only 6% of all NZ turnover? Wow, thought it would be more that. Do you know the breakdown sport vrs racing? 
 

I struggle with the targeted market…. as they offer everything the TAB has so targeting the same market. Only real difference, all deposits a withdrawels online only. 

That's not entirely correct.  They offer different bonuses.  For example I can CHOOSE an ODDS boost on a race of my choice whereas on the other site they only offer ODDS boost on what they select. 

I'm surprised @Brodie hasn't sussed this out yet.

[Westview]

19 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

Only 6% of all NZ turnover? Wow, thought it would be more that. Do you know the breakdown sport vrs racing? 
 

I struggle with the targeted market…. as they offer everything the TAB has so targeting the same market. Only real difference, all deposits a withdrawels online only. 

[Newmarket]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

That's not entirely correct.  They offer different bonuses.  For example I can CHOOSE an ODDS boost on a race of my choice whereas on the other site they only offer ODDS boost on what they select. 

I'm surprised @Brodie hasn't sussed this out yet.

Yes I had mentioned that I get better offers from Betcha which is why I now use them over TAB. 
I am puzzled why would they offer better matched deposits, bonus bets for a punter like myself, around 70% horses & 30% sport? I thought it was targeting sports punters only. 
Yes they do offer different bet types, but mainly the same, even app same. 
I even had contact with my account manager from Betcha, asked me to let me know if I want tickets to events…. never had anyone ever contact me from TAB

[Newmarket]

2 hours ago, Westview said:

Big increase in Sports Betting, gallops turnover down even though more accounts opened. I assume majority of new accounts will be new Betcha accounts? 

[Doomed]

You will have to pardon my ignorance, I am an old traditionalist. What exactly is betcha? I have certainly seen it advertised but never taken any real notice of it.

[Newmarket]

6 hours ago, Doomed said:

You will have to pardon my ignorance, I am an old traditionalist. What exactly is betcha? I have certainly seen it advertised but never taken any real notice of it.

It’s another gambling site run by Entain and operated by Australians. Supposedly targeting younger punters  who want to gamble on sports, but you can bet on horses also. No agencies, all online depositing and withdrawals

[TAB For Ever]

6 hours ago, Doomed said:

You will have to pardon my ignorance, I am an old traditionalist. What exactly is betcha? I have certainly seen it advertised but never taken any real notice of it.

Get with program Doomed !

You old buggers are from a previous era and thru natural attrition , competition [from all sides ]and the realisation among us younger generation that Horse Racing is a dying industry pretty much all round the world but especially in NZ....Horse racing cannot sustain itself !

The younger generation finds racing boring ......very boring , and very expensive too! Why would we bother.

You old buggers enjoyed racing ,back in the day , when there was little else to do. It became part of our lifestyle our DNA !

But you went to sleep at the wheel and Clubs and Racing Admin didnt future proof their facilities and build up Reserves or a Trust bank. 

Most towns were given a Racetrack and facilities but run by volunteers most were only used a few times a year. 

People then learned to enjoy other things and put their time and money into travel , boats and buying property to protect their future.

Raceclubs boxed on , lay mainly dormant , didnt build reserves.

Lotto , Casinos ,Pokies came as did on line gambling and Sports betting.....all more fun and better than a few horses running around in a circle.

Clubs remained open ,doing their own things...Costs ,health and safety and governance exploded.

We all talked about Grey Way , Kiwi and Cardigan Bay ....great times !

Recently Sports Betting has subsidised Racing , the Govt has given handouts galore and OWNERS have existed on meagre returns but on the verge of INSOLVENCY more recently an Independent Aussie Messara was asked to present some home truths.

Still inertia prevailed ...a fire sale [Kind of] saw Entain handed the reins with the promise of a huge Cash injection.

 Reading Messara They saw racing stuffed without Owners and Wagering. 
They started advertising ,like crazy and giving huge rewards to owners compared to previous.

They saw that looking ahead...not your generation.....they needed to attract young people , not only to attend racedays but to wager more and into the future.

So its music ,lollipops and candy and ballbits on course ,free horse ownership interests and plenty of wagering promotions.

Its called BETCHA , to distinguish young people from the others...the old stale pale males !

But its not that easy.....racing doesnt stack up beside the music ,entertainment ,fashion ,travel alternatives .

So now a group of 'high profile ' folk including Chris Waller and some knights and breeders are being brought together for a rap session to see if they can think up something that hasn't already tried....some thought starters !

Gotta give them points for trying !

Mentor memo ...2 June 2025

[Brodie]

41 minutes ago, TAB For Ever said:

Get with program Doomed !

You old buggers are from a previous era and thru natural attrition , competition [from all sides ]and the realisation among us younger generation that Horse Racing is a dying industry pretty much all round the world but especially in NZ....Horse racing cannot sustain itself !

The younger generation finds racing boring ......very boring , and very expensive too! Why would we bother.

You old buggers enjoyed racing ,back in the day , when there was little else to do. It became part of our lifestyle our DNA !

But you went to sleep at the wheel and Clubs and Racing Admin didnt future proof their facilities and build up Reserves or a Trust bank. 

Most towns were given a Racetrack and facilities but run by volunteers most were only used a few times a year. 

People then learned to enjoy other things and put their time and money into travel , boats and buying property to protect their future.

Raceclubs boxed on , lay mainly dormant , didnt build reserves.

Lotto , Casinos ,Pokies came as did on line gambling and Sports betting.....all more fun and better than a few horses running around in a circle.

Clubs remained open ,doing their own things...Costs ,health and safety and governance exploded.

We all talked about Grey Way , Kiwi and Cardigan Bay ....great times !

Recently Sports Betting has subsidised Racing , the Govt has given handouts galore and OWNERS have existed on meagre returns but on the verge of INSOLVENCY more recently an Independent Aussie Messara was asked to present some home truths.

Still inertia prevailed ...a fire sale [Kind of] saw Entain handed the reins with the promise of a huge Cash injection.

 Reading Messara They saw racing stuffed without Owners and Wagering. 
They started advertising ,like crazy and giving huge rewards to owners compared to previous.

They saw that looking ahead...not your generation.....they needed to attract young people , not only to attend racedays but to wager more and into the future.

So its music ,lollipops and candy and ballbits on course ,free horse ownership interests and plenty of wagering promotions.

Its called BETCHA , to distinguish young people from the others...the old stale pale males !

But its not that easy.....racing doesnt stack up beside the music ,entertainment ,fashion ,travel alternatives .

So now a group of 'high profile ' folk including Chris Waller and some knights and breeders are being brought together for a rap session to see if they can think up something that hasn't already tried....some thought starters !

Gotta give them points for trying !

Mentor memo ...2 June 2025

Bit confused TAB?

I thought you were with the play, as you thought the TAB was operating well since Entain bought into the TAB?

The truth of the matter is that mismanagement must have continued for the past 2 years if they are now needing this committee?

HRNZ CEO has been coming out every now and again stating that every thing was looking rosey with harness with what they were doing!

Now he is stating that this committee is now PIVOTAL to harness?

Which is it? Has he been telling porkies and why has he?

Some on Trackside etc. are saying that  there are some participants that are negative with what they are saying about how the industry is going rather than seeing the positives!

Maybe just maybe these people who are supposedly talking negative actually know what they are talking about, and actually care about harness racing and are actually “On the money”?
These to my mind are the ones that also need to be listened to!

 

Edited 17 hours ago by Brodie

[Chief Stipe]

28 minutes ago, Brodie said:

Some on Trackside etc. are saying that  there are some participants that are negative with what they are saying about how the industry is going rather than seeing the positives!

Yeah well maybe they should be a bit nervous about their pay packets.  Do we really need the high paid ones like Guy Heveldt reading a cookie cutter script and a form guide as a segue to the next race?

[Special Agent]

There are a lot of presenters employed.

[TAB For Ever]

2 hours ago, Brodie said:

Bit confused TAB?

I thought you were with the play, as you thought the TAB was operating well since Entain bought into the TAB?

The truth of the matter is that mismanagement must have continued for the past 2 years if they are now needing this committee?

HRNZ CEO has been coming out every now and again stating that every thing was looking rosey with harness with what they were doing!

Now he is stating that this committee is now PIVOTAL to harness?

Which is it? Has he been telling porkies and why has he?

Some on Trackside etc. are saying that  there are some participants that are negative with what they are saying about how the industry is going rather than seeing the positives!

Maybe just maybe these people who are supposedly talking negative actually know what they are talking about, and actually care about harness racing and are actually “On the money”?
These to my mind are the ones that also need to be listened to!

 

Me thinks you the confused one cos the record is stuck and you on a continual loop !

You start this thread saying this Committee asked to  help steer the future is " GOOD TO SEE " and maybe it should have been set up two years ago !

Then when HRNZ boss comments on it being pivotal you do an about turn and revert to the same ole songsheet !

Then you link me with saying that I thought the TAB was operating well.....dunno where I said that .Entain have certainly lifted the profile ,poured millions into promotions and marketing ,brought racing back into most newspapers etc and hammered TV which has the best cut-thru !

Certainly its a great time to be involved in racing ,with extra races , stakes and incentives for owners ,Trainers etc

The TAB certainly provides many more betting options than in the past and the racing people I mix with are happy with the options etc. On Friday a punter at the trots showed me a $5 all up place bet which netted him $425 ...I asked 'Is your name Brodie '. Elite punters too seem happy with their relationship with TAB

In the past I have encouraged you to at least meet the TAB and HRNZ to ask questions and voice concerns.

Either you or Galah said you like to watch from a far......snipers , throw grenades and run.

These people are easy to talk to ,easy to recognise and approach. At Alex Park last Friday I was speaking with 2 x of the high-powered folk mentioned.....no big deal !

You are deluded if you think you will meet them for ideas sharing on Social media and/or they will engage in 'negative' nonsense !

Get with the program Brodie and get on the money !

TAB Forever Mentor Memo ...2 June 2025

 

[Brodie]

11 hours ago, TAB For Ever said:

Me thinks you the confused one cos the record is stuck and you on a continual loop !

You start this thread saying this Committee asked to  help steer the future is " GOOD TO SEE " and maybe it should have been set up two years ago !

Then when HRNZ boss comments on it being pivotal you do an about turn and revert to the same ole songsheet !

Then you link me with saying that I thought the TAB was operating well.....dunno where I said that .Entain have certainly lifted the profile ,poured millions into promotions and marketing ,brought racing back into most newspapers etc and hammered TV which has the best cut-thru !

Certainly its a great time to be involved in racing ,with extra races , stakes and incentives for owners ,Trainers etc

The TAB certainly provides many more betting options than in the past and the racing people I mix with are happy with the options etc. On Friday a punter at the trots showed me a $5 all up place bet which netted him $425 ...I asked 'Is your name Brodie '. Elite punters too seem happy with their relationship with TAB

In the past I have encouraged you to at least meet the TAB and HRNZ to ask questions and voice concerns.

Either you or Galah said you like to watch from a far......snipers , throw grenades and run.

These people are easy to talk to ,easy to recognise and approach. At Alex Park last Friday I was speaking with 2 x of the high-powered folk mentioned.....no big deal !

You are deluded if you think you will meet them for ideas sharing on Social media and/or they will engage in 'negative' nonsense !

Get with the program Brodie and get on the money !

TAB Forever Mentor Memo ...2 June 2025

 

Tab, thanks for reply.

all good if you believe I am confused, probably early dementia?

No problem with people having differing views, at the end of the day all of us want harness racing to thrive.

Hopefully this committee will have ideas that no one has ever thought about, and things will come right!

At the end of the day if they don’t then the industry is going to be battling.

I still maintain that they have not acted financially responsibly with the  cash splash from Entain.

Time will tell, TAB For Ever!

 

 

[Gammalite]

The Entain group use their sub- branch  LADBROKES to run in partnership with Queensland harness. (and SA and probably others)

Harness racing would of dropped off the map without their support. They have only 2 nights of Trotting per year put on National TV on the Free to air 24 hour per day racing channel. (Vic Cup and Hunter Cup nights) That is how SMALL it has become. Almost Non-existant to the home TV punter. trotting runs at a huge loss revenue wise. 

I'm sure it would be the same in NZ. 

Brodie is blaming Entain for the demise of the sport , when in fact they are rolling the Last Dice to Save it. 

BOAY has that many threads with everyone tearing the sport to Piece's that it's not hard to see the REAL Reasons the Sport is collapsing in NZ  . Bean counters galore calling out the anything from small fields to Feature races they still put on as a 'waste of money'  'no interest tin them as can't bet' and endless criticism.

The TAB branches closing everywhere is a Main contributing factor. I used to go down to my local branches all the time and place bets. (and chat with mates there)  they closed the branches so past 3 years it's just on-line. ALL the betting companies WANT you on-line SO THEY CAN TRACK your activity. Seems logical in these days and times.

The TAB taking your Huge ANONymous Bets each week are RELIC of the PAST Brodster.  I know you would like to go back to those 'good old days' of doing that . BUT you can't . you're 'not on the Money' anymore old mate.

TABman  has it worked out better 😋😁😉

Meanwhile HRNZ and Racing QLD are still putting on as Many Big (and small regular) races , as Humanly possible,  to support the great harness folk who still partake as participants in the industry. good on em'!!💰 .