Here come the Nutters! Becks Nairn. Thanks Winnie.

[Chief Stipe]

48 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

Good one Gamma, CS loves the sound of his own voice, the more low pricks outed for cruelty the better both codes will be, and that should be the end game.

You can talk.  You stir from your slumber to post negative shyte.  Did @nomates give you a call?

I doubt you have any active interest in racing now but happy to snipe on the sideline.

[Chief Stipe]

45 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

Oh grow up and grow a pair, I'm not as courteous and patient as Curious or Gamma, if you can't concede there are cheats and cruel bastards in racing you're off with the pixies, Yule/Weir are only the tip of the iceberg across in AUS, as for NZ, well, the industry is only as good as the people that police it, and that in itself is a fucking joke.....you think?

Where did I say there weren't "cheats and cruel bastards"?  That's another part of your modus operandi attributing statements to someone falsely and then repeating them hoping they are perceived as the truth.  You and Nairn make a great couple.

Then just like her you take isolated examples and tar everyone with the same brush.  "Tip of the iceberg" is absolutely bullshit.  I imagine you are on the 0800 anonymously dob someone in hotline everyday.

Just like the scumbags Racing doesn't need idiots like you either.

Put up or shut up.

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41 minutes ago, the galah said:

i don't follow this lady on facebook,i don't do facebook,but hesi seemed to be saying,hey have a look at what she says on there.

so i did.

and the first thing that came up was where she had done an autopsy on arcano after he died.

People who follow harness racing of course know arcano well.

he was a horse that a lengthy thread on the harness side of this forum was started.

Arcano was an older horse,grey in colour.

he had turned a run of poor performances around with a  win at addington one night for his new trainer. That was what prompted the thread on the harness part.Arcarno then went and fibrillated next start and retired the following start..

anyway,90% of the poeple posting said it was obvious the horse was running on a performance enhancers. Anyone with any idea of analysing form could tell that.

Of course we got the likes of the chief saying,what a load of bullocks,hes never returned a positive and people who linked his performance to the fridge gas thing were just fools and scaremongers.

Arcano of course was trained by M kerr, and driven by m anderson. Both those trainers had several threads about their horses performances ,questioning their honesty and their use of perfromance enhancers. Of course chief always defended them each time saying they had no positives and it was just people who were jealous or shit stirrers,bla,blah. 

 Actaully what ever happened to m kerr and m anderson,.trust worthy blokes that they were.

Perhaps they are mentoring someone in between trips to their probation officers.

of course the chief was their main defender,after all no positives and he hates people slinging mud at pillars of the indutsry.I see your saying that in this topic again chief. i always give you points for consistency chief.

anyways,back to arcano. i see arcano shows as being a deregistered 15 year old on the hrnz website so one could get the impression heshappily  grazing somewhere in a paddock.

which is interesting,as on this nairn ladys website is pictures of his dissected body and a summary of what she found. To be honest,i stopped the goggling of her there,as its all very sad what i read she found.

but hey,therein itself is the actual crux of this woman nairns point.

and its something i have said so often,but i think never gets the traction it should.

if your only going to treat the horses you care for the same as the cows,the bobby calves,the sheep ,the lambs. In other words see them as a commodity based on their abilty to win $,then why,when your training the horse, would you care  much for the horses welfare after it finishes racing.

anyways,its an interesting topic and you can tell by peoples words  how they view their horses.

This is one of your best pieces of bullshit.  Don't let the facts interfere with your fiction.

[MaltedMilkshake]

From where I sit I'm not being negative, just seeing and saying as Becks has copped the worst spray from people like yourself who don't give a fuck about the horse, you must be a lonely old sod to lurk on the other other site, even Hesi has come to help you out.

You won't change your spots you've nailed your colours to the mast, but in closing I'll say it again for you, there are cruel demented turds in racing, looking for an edge is one thing, endangering both jocks and horses lives in the search for that 'edge' is sickening and needs to be stopped, Beck's crusade might be zealous, but many applaud her ambitions, she ain't alone that's for sure.

Remember the champion Jocks old man that 'treated' his horses pre trial? the horse died, the jock maimed? is he in your Icons scrapbook? That bloke should have got life, there are many instances like that, some worse, any low scum that thinks that's ok, get the fuck out of racing.....if you think That's negative on my behalf, so be it.

[hesi]

41 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

From where I sit I'm not being negative, just seeing and saying as Becks has copped the worst spray from people like yourself who don't give a fuck about the horse, you must be a lonely old sod to lurk on the other other site, even Hesi has come to help you out.

You won't change your spots you've nailed your colours to the mast, but in closing I'll say it again for you, there are cruel demented turds in racing, looking for an edge is one thing, endangering both jocks and horses lives in the search for that 'edge' is sickening and needs to be stopped, Beck's crusade might be zealous, but many applaud her ambitions, she ain't alone that's for sure.

Remember the champion Jocks old man that 'treated' his horses pre trial? the horse died, the jock maimed? is he in your Icons scrapbook? That bloke should have got life, there are many instances like that, some worse, any low scum that thinks that's ok, get the fuck out of racing.....if you think That's negative on my behalf, so be it.

We'll leave the Becks thing to one side, but I think you are grossly mis-reading the Chief.

Probably has more thoroughbred connections than people realise, you don't get welcomed by Te Akau if you are anti-industry, I wonder what they think about Becks Nairn, that would be interesting wouldn't it.  He drives a strong but reasoned line, indicative of his intelligence, well above my pay grade.  I know my limitations when it comes to these chat sites and who not to tangle with lol

He actually came and helped me out with my site, rang me up to tell me what was happening, didn't even realise he had my number as I had never talked to him before.  Now that could have been very awkward, because like many people I thought he was an arrogant, know it all dickhead.  Much to my surprise, he is actually a very decent bloke, totally belying his online persona.

C'est la vie

Edited 13 hours ago by hesi

[Gammalite]

Chief , I don't know what you're trying to achieve here. You have the Milkshaked one losing his Malts and not agreeing with anyone saying anything.

I don't see Podcasts , but could read what the Lady Said about a couple of topics from what HESI kindly posted her early in this thread first page. Seems she is just waffling on about personal experiences she has had with her dogs , and horses , and that rather sad Kaikoura incident. like we all do from time to time at BOAY,  as life is full of experiences. most are good with the fine horses. but you get the odd sad/bad occasion that needs ADDressing

There are awkward topics that people address like Curious with his whip stuff , and this lady with re-homing horses and the Malted Milkman wanting to weed out all the cheats. (some of which I pointed out for him have been weeded out and removed from the Industry a penalty term ) so racing is trying hard to stay 'clean' ?

Because we ALL love the racing industry , and What is best for the horse. Just like you want great safe track surfaces , for the Jockeys and horses to race on (but no blinkers though lol😉) and everyone have a good time.

It's gone a bit like Beehive Parliament , with them/everyone taking sides on issues , and bagging across the floor 🤣  . 

Not our fault mate. People are looking for solutions to the problems. INCA had a look for ya. All good !! 

First thing Bec said on that post of Hesi's was she wasn't Anti Racing , nor trying to get racing banned . So I don't know why you've Hackled up . like I said nothing wrong with people advocating Horse welfare. 

They tried hard for us , so we should try hard for them. If they didn't try they're probably at Meramist  😋🙄 

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1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

Chief , I don't know what you're trying to achieve here. You have the Milkshaked one losing his Malts and not agreeing with anyone saying anything.

@Rowley Mile aka @MaltedMilkshake aka @Joe Bloggs has history on here.  Sooner or later he'll get pissed off and go back to dreaming about his next Roc de Cambes champion.  You should look him up he lives just down the road from you.

He's only shit stirring and is another bitter anti-racing type.

 

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1 hour ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

From where I sit I'm not being negative, just seeing and saying as Becks has copped the worst spray from people like yourself who don't give a fuck about the horse, you must be a lonely old sod to lurk on the other other site, even Hesi has come to help you out

If I'm a lonely old sod I don't know what that makes you.

You are being negative and your friend Becks deserves a spray for the crap she writes.  You are bitter and twisted about racing for some reason probably because of some past slight that hurt your ego.

2 hours ago, MaltedMilkshake said:

Remember the champion Jocks old man that 'treated' his horses pre trial? the horse died, the jock maimed? is he in your Icons scrapbook? That bloke should have got life, there are many instances like that, some worse, any low scum that thinks that's ok, get the fuck out of racing.....if you think That's negative on my behalf, so be it.

There you go again selecting old isolated incidents and tarrying everyone and racing in general.  Piece of advice get completely out of the game if you haven't already as the acid bitterness you display is eating you from the inside.

[the galah]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

This is one of your best pieces of bullshit.  Don't let the facts interfere with your fiction.

not sure which bit you say is fiction.

i thought what i said was all fact. just goggle the ladys facebook page with arcano and you can have a look at the pictures she provided of itsdisected insides.

Seems she had a hand in its rehoming so took an interest in why it got so sick after being rehomed.Hence her cutting it up after it died. .

i know we argued over the honesty of matt anderson many, many times times in the past,long before he got all those charges . And mitch kerr as well but not so many times.

i just spent 10 minutes looking for the arcano thread on the harness site 5 years ago.i gave up as not sure what heading it came under.

The only thread i found in the month it won at addington,to be fair,most were saying how wonderful m anderson and m kerr were.. Neither you or i contributed on that particular  thread.

Actually brodie was m andersons greatest chair leader at the time. we need more like himhe said. Not on the money that time was he. 

.Only the likes of newmarket,harewood and even hunterthepunter suggested they were given performance enhancers. neither you or me posted on that particular thread,in fact i seemed to have taken a break from posting around rthat time.

That was around the times the articles in the papers about the fridge gas, were giving the industry bad headlinesi suppose you do remember that don't you. Remember HRNZ publically saying at the time how they were concerned about fridge gas being reportedly used  and working out how to test for it..

i know i've certainly questioned the hionesty of both m kerr and manderson as far as the use of performance enhancers many times.  Have you never noticed,just how accurate i have been over the years in predicting things uncovered later.

anyway,off to watch a reality show with the wife now. hope its not the the fatties and i end up watching a tummy operation.How do those american fatties afford all that food.?

Edited 11 hours ago by the galah

[Chief Stipe]

Whatever my dear old china  @MaltedMilkshake @Rowley Mile @Joe Bloggs.  On the one hand you say I can't be trusted with your personal details yet on the other hand you say I have the wrong person.  It's one or the other. 

As for trusting me with your personal details - you haven't.   I took an educated guess based on recognising a pattern of behaviour and posting style.  I then crossed referenced the posts from the various accounts and identified a pattern.  Anyone can do that.  Assuming those three accounts are yours then I've posted nothing personal other than what you have already posted yourself.

As @MaltedMilkshake you didn't post anything for over 18 months until recently and before that about 3 posts since 2019.  No you came here with one intention.  No doubt your mate Bob has been chewing your ear.

 

[Freda]

Take a chill pill,  Chief.   No one on here is anti-racing.  Least of all Malted Milkshake, that I can guarantee.  There are bad eggs in the sport-horse and pony club world as well, and the 1000's of dogs destroyed every year is sickening.   Humans aren't a very nice lot.

All we can do is insist that animals reared and slaughtered for food are treated ethically, and that sporting and pet animals are given the best care possible.  Obviously not all horses - or dogs- are suitable for rehoming, and that's another bucket that needs the leaks stopped.

[Freda]

As a result of the Becs podcast - and a few other matters brought to my attention recently- I made some enquiries with some re-homers of horses.  Gallopers,  not the harnessed variety.

Seems that some owners and/or trainers had the delightful habit of sending broken-down or temperamentally unsuitable horses to these people and expecting them to deal with the problems.

You'd be horrified if you knew some of the names but we won't go there.

That has brought about a necessary shake-up of procedure.   Every horse placed at a rehoming facility has a complete vet overhaul, paid for by NZTR.  Those deemed unsuitable for pleasure riding for  ANY reason gets returned to the owner or trainer.

NZTR has no problem with horses being euthanised,  contrary to what may be thought.  However, they expect owners/ trainers to take that responsibility. 

My beef is that the Welfare arm of NZTR doesn't get off its backside and front foot the concerns of the public.  The greyhound folk now spend thousands in operations and general rehab to ensure as many dogs as possible are able to be passed on as pets.  But they allowed the few arseholes who gave the industry such a bad name to carry on with impunity.   And the rehabbing work was never made public knowledge.  What happened to them is an unfortunate result of sitting on their hands for too long.

You may dismiss Bec's stance as that of a nutter, that's your choice.

But if a nice publicity video/ podcast about the welfare requirements was made available on mainstream TV, it may go a long way to shutting up the vocal naysayers.

[curious]

41 minutes ago, Freda said:

But if a nice publicity video/ podcast about the welfare requirements was made available on mainstream TV, it may go a long way to shutting up the vocal naysayers.

Exactly. And that's exactly what the hounds failed to do during 2 decades of warnings. The thrust of Beck's blog is about the muzzling of constituent voices, not about welfare per se. Attempts to muzzle these voices on welfare concerns is exactly what I have experienced along with many others in recent times. Also, exactly my point in my open letter response to the RIB open letter. Another attempt to shut down instead of listen to critical voices. In the mean time, public perception of racing continues to become more and more negative.

Becks never said that she wanted racing or other equestrian pursuits to be shut down. She said they will be if public perception continues to go in the current direction.  Whether or not her approach is the best way forward with that or not, I don't know, but it absolutely HAS to happen, and sooner rather than later. Other racing jurisdictions like Hong Kong and the BHA recognise and acknowledge this and are taking action. Here a token welfare department.

Talking to a re-homer today I echo what Freda said. Owners and trainers sending horses to re-homers when they are knowingly unsuitable is just not good enough. Everyone has to take responsibility here.