Thomass Posted February 6, 2019 Author Share Posted February 6, 2019 Any way a punter likes... In Greys case...Bev Sweeney decided the usual leader...BLONDLIGN...would receive an uncontested lead ehich it did and won Good on him...Its a pity the useless Stipes didn't bother tweeting that out to the rest of the punting world Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 6, 2019 Share Posted February 6, 2019 I'm still yet to read what this has to do with racing integrity. Probably because it has nothing to do with racing integrity. If trainers want to share information because they think it may help retain punters and their betting, good on them. If they don't, that should be their choice. But it isn't an integrity function. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 Try INTEGRITY 101 "Report anything that may affect the performance of a horse" including wind ops, in foal, and TACTICS Ridden 'upside down' is in the lexicon of Thoroughbred racing ffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Thomass said: Try INTEGRITY 101 "Report anything that may affect the performance of a horse" including wind ops, in foal, and TACTICS Ridden 'upside down' is in the lexicon of Thoroughbred racing ffs Thomass you are getting repetitive AGAIN! At the end of the day as Mardi has pointed out NONE of those things have much bearing on selecting a horse BEFORE it races. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 Just now, Thomass said: Try INTEGRITY 101 "Report anything that may affect the performance of a horse" including wind ops, in foal, and TACTICS Ridden 'upside down' is in the lexicon of Thoroughbred racing ffs I love that rule. Because in general they are referring to 'negatives'. However, if you take the rule seriously, every trainer would be charged at every horse start. This is about a future event, not something that has happened in the past that may affect the performance of the horse. According to you, being 3 wide may affect the performance of the horse. Running over a different distance than before, may affect the performance of the horse. Running on a different track, may affect the performance. But what is clear, no matter how much information you get, it won't affect the performance of your punting, loser. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Thomass you are getting repetitive AGAIN! At the end of the day as Mardi has pointed out NONE of those things have much bearing on selecting a horse BEFORE it races. It's no doubt why the stewards Twitter accounts have relatively so few followers. Such important information but no one wants it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Thomass you are getting repetitive AGAIN! At the end of the day as Mardi has pointed out NONE of those things have much bearing on selecting a horse BEFORE it races. Massively they do.... Grey wanted to teach his neddy to settle...on a massive leader bias day.... ...contrary to popular opinion it's been shown 'in foal' mares performances deteriorate Its then up to a punter what they would like to do with that information wake up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, mardigras said: It's no doubt why the stewards Twitter accounts have relatively so few followers. Such important information but no one wants it. NZ Thoroughbred Punters are inundated with disgraceful hound and thieves tweets as well... ...and then the useless RIU often don't bother tweeting a change in track conditions...as per last week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 4 minutes ago, Thomass said: Massively they do.... Grey wanted to teach his neddy to settle...on a massive leader bias day.... ...contrary to popular opinion it's been shown 'in foal' mares performances deteriorate Its then up to a punter what they would like to do with that information wake up And it will all cost more. Extra paid stewards to monitor and investigate 'information' that they don't have to do now. Every horse that has a notification, along with every horse that doesn't. More time questioning trainers/jockeys because 'information' didn't pan out. I hardly think NZ needs to spend money on 'information' that no one seems to want. Wake up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, mardigras said: And it will all cost more. Extra paid stewards to monitor and investigate 'information' that they don't have to do now. Every horse that has a notification, along with every horse that doesn't. More time questioning trainers/jockeys because 'information' didn't pan out. I hardly think NZ needs to spend money on 'information' that no one seems to want. Wake up. Precisely. Before the race - "we are going to race forward today." After the race - "he missed the jump so stayed back." Or the Stewards ask the jockey - "why did you travel wide without cover when you could have got in closer?" Answer - "because the trainer told you that the horse was going to put forward. Unfortunately the horse wasn't good enough to get there." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 Punters know and accept they're not dealing with machine betting...who knew? They don't accept "we were experimenting today" read 'with our f in money'!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, Thomass said: Punters know and accept they're not dealing with machine betting...who knew? They don't accept "we were experimenting today" read 'with our f in money'!! They are experimenting with punters money a lot. Tweaking something in training, feed regime, location, beach work, swimming. 'with our f in money'. I think they should be applauded for trying different things. Some will go well for them, some won't. If punters make the assumption a horse races in a certain position and will do so again this race, more fool them. Edited February 7, 2019 by mardigras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 And we wonder why NZ Punters bet more on Arstralian racing Its the WHOLE PACKAGE Tracks, integrity, information We can't even provide a pen. Reading... Speed maps on Racing NSW web site...that you can rely on....changed by NOTIFICATION Ask Waller what he thinks about that...he loves helping out punters He knows he'd be racing at the Gymkhana for a doz. Whakachungas without them wake up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 20 hours ago, mardigras said: They are experimenting with punters money a lot. Tweaking something in training, feed regime, location, beach work, swimming. 'with our f in money'. I think they should be applauded for trying different things. Some will go well for them, some won't. If punters make the assumption a horse races in a certain position and will do so again this race, more fool them. Exactly, mardi... sometimes very tiny changes in training regime, feed, environment, the weather, having a certain horsey mate in a box alongside them or training with them, makes a horse happier healthier etc. Ridiculous that trainers should have to explain everything they do/have done with the punter in mind. It's the punter's risk to back a horse on any given day at the odds offered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 7, 2019 Author Share Posted February 7, 2019 5 minutes ago, Weasel said: Exactly, mardi... sometimes very tiny changes in training regime, feed, environment, the weather, having a certain horsey mate in a box alongside them or training with them, makes a horse happier healthier etc. Ridiculous that trainers should have to explain everything they do/have done with the punter in mind. It's the punter's risk to back a horse on any given day at the odds offered. Yes, actually it's taken as read that "report anything that may affect its performance" doesn't include minor shit like taking a donkey to the races with said animal It DOES include "we were experimenting" with this horse...in. a G2 prep race for the Derby... The Feds in Australia understand, trainers like Waller know the difference why can't a rodent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 I see two different issues here : (1) The first is what takes place with the horse prior to racing-training/feeding/vet/farrier etc (2) The second is what takes place in the birdcage when the trainer legs the jockey up and is asking the jockey to something specific while riding the horse, i.e. whatever the previous rider of the horse did, ' I would like you to do this instead'. I see that as a specific issue that punters should be made aware of...just like the stipes have to be told ( if a mare ) this mare just tested positive and is in foal. Or do some of you still think this is not a requirement? I'm with Tommo, anything affecting the racing of a horse should be notified and punters made aware-before the race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 18 minutes ago, Kopia said: I see two different issues here : (1) The first is what takes place with the horse prior to racing-training/feeding/vet/farrier etc (2) The second is what takes place in the birdcage when the trainer legs the jockey up and is asking the jockey to something specific while riding the horse, i.e. whatever the previous rider of the horse did, ' I would like you to do this instead'. I see that as a specific issue that punters should be made aware of...just like the stipes have to be told ( if a mare ) this mare just tested positive and is in foal. Or do some of you still think this is not a requirement? I'm with Tommo, anything affecting the racing of a horse should be notified and punters made aware-before the race. To (1), if it is a negative to the preparation of the horse. To (2), trainers discretion. I see no reasons why punters need or should know. If a trainer wants to submit that, fine, but there should be no investigation if it doesn't occur. Punter beware. On mares in foal, that should only be in relation to welfare around the rules of racing as to when a mare in foal can no longer race. I don't see any need for punters to know. So at jurisdiction discretion. On mares being served, again, discretionary is how it should be. On your last sentence, I expect the volume of shit a horse has dumped each of the last 7 days is important from a punting perspective. When would the requirements end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kihikihi Kid Posted February 7, 2019 Share Posted February 7, 2019 22 hours ago, Thomass said: Punters know and accept they're not dealing with machine betting...who knew? They don't accept "we were experimenting today" read 'with our f in money'!! With all due respect Thomas, remember if a trainer is experimenting running a horse forward or back ,whilst you may have bet $100 to find out (and it does work at times) spare a thought for the poor old owner , who's forking out $100+ a day to find out , and that's before the poor bugger has even had a bet 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 On 7/02/2019 at 8:33 AM, Thomass said: Gee, if I had to restrain a neddy my menisci would explode, both sets of brachii would be torn to shreds, and that's all before my poor f in coracobrachialis got munted... ...but I choose Option b of course Coming from behind is my raisin de tear in life as it always feels good coming over the top of the rest... you? yeah well that don't suprise me the haunts you go to mens spas n the such Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 8, 2019 Share Posted February 8, 2019 22 hours ago, Thomass said: Yes, actually it's taken as read that "report anything that may affect its performance" doesn't include minor shit like taking a donkey to the races with said animal It DOES include "we were experimenting" with this horse...in. a G2 prep race for the Derby... The Feds in Australia understand, trainers like Waller know the difference why can't a rodent? you are blotting your copybook this week, Thomass with this last remark....you couldnt resist the temptation to try and offend a poster whose opinion is at odds with your own ..'why can't a rodent? A Weasel is not a rodent. It is a mustelid. For the gazillionth time on this forum, Thomass, you are ...WRONG. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 8, 2019 Author Share Posted February 8, 2019 Oh gee soz...but you keep going on about how mustadly you are...and the ones I have on the farm,..are very rodent like in behaviour I get called thomarse many times...are you sure you ain't called moi that Mr. mustuddly? But I'm sure a ferret then...could understand the need to match the competition for the punting $? The overall punter's package that racing in Arse supplies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 9, 2019 Share Posted February 9, 2019 2 hours ago, Thomass said: But I'm sure a ferret then...could understand the need to match the competition for the punting $? The overall punter's package that racing in Arse supplies? Only if it's information that punters seek out. Clearly they don't - in Oz or here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 11, 2019 Author Share Posted February 11, 2019 Most Punters want this info Australia and Singapore asked their most IMPORTANT customers And they received feedback... to INCLUDE this info We didn't Oatham "were different...it wouldn't work here" It did and it does John...and from someone who doesn't punt ffs No f in idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mardigras Posted February 11, 2019 Share Posted February 11, 2019 25 minutes ago, Thomass said: Most Punters want this info Says you. Since most punters in Oz aren't getting this info. I wonder why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 12, 2019 Author Share Posted February 12, 2019 Racing Vic. and NSW do...who cares about the rest? Waller can't believe NZ doesn't supply this type of BASIC info.... He realises the vast range of information the likes of HK supplies directly corresponds with Punters investments And you stupidly highlight the cost of a basic tweet...twit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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