nomates Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 33 minutes ago, MaltedMilkshake said: I’m lucky enough to have bred and owned one of best 3yos in NZ this year and he is with a fabulous young trainer on the way. So far we have resisted the temptation to bring him to Oz and he will never, ever go to Asia despite the several offers from the bloodsuckers. If I do decide to bring him over it will be due to policies of the Petone Proletariat. I'm stoked for you i know how hard it is to get a good one , my last one is now 4 hasn't raced yet but won her first trial as 2yo over 2 years ago , trialed as spring 3yo running 2 2nd's when not wound up with form in front and behind her strong but nothing but issues since , back in work but now a day to day prop , so far so good but no more , if i was in your position wouldn't hesitate . The twats that run NZ racing clueless and the supposed miracle solutions aren't going to change anything in a hurry , and iv'e always been a half glass full guy but have had a guts full of the poor management and watching the people who could put pressure on sitting and doing and saying nothing . Good luck with your horse . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 1 hour ago, MaltedMilkshake said: The absolute premium issue is lack of horses being bred. There is not enough to supply domestic racing (forget the latest press release from NZTR about the sales). So we can second and cash in all the old racetracks that we like but it’s not the silver bullet....the grass root issue is horse supply.... its part of the grass roots issue...horse supply is declining because breeders/owners have few incentives to breed/own cos $$ rewards are pathetically low compared to mid-late 20th century. Owners look overseas for the stakes but need an exceptional horse here to justify the expenses. For every Booneval/Jon Snow/Rising Romance there are many who win bugger all or pay their way and that's all. They key, IMO is to incentivise the breeders and the owners and the employers simultaneously in as many ways as possible. Fo example, on Karaka Million night, two of 6 races were worth $1m each, but the other 4 were worth $340k in total. Where are the incentives for connections of the older horses, esp the stayers on whos reputation NZ's reputation has been built. Why isnt there a $1m City of Auckland Cup? Why isnt there a $1m F&M WFA race? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, Weasel said: its part of the grass roots issue...horse supply is declining because breeders/owners have few incentives to breed/own cos $$ rewards are pathetically low compared to mid-late 20th century. Owners look overseas for the stakes but need an exceptional horse here to justify the expenses. For every Booneval/Jon Snow/Rising Romance there are many who win bugger all or pay their way and that's all. They key, IMO is to incentivise the breeders and the owners and the employers simultaneously in as many ways as possible. Fo example, on Karaka Million night, two of 6 races were worth $1m each, but the other 4 were worth $340k in total. Where are the incentives for connections of the older horses, esp the stayers on whos reputation NZ's reputation has been built. Why isnt there a $1m City of Auckland Cup? Why isnt there a $1m F&M WFA race? Sorry mate can't agree with most of what you say , yes fewer are breeding because of lack of incentives . In my opinion throwing more money at the top end won't fix the issue , the quality at the top is thin now , won't see too many from last saturday making it to elite racing in Aussie . You want more owners in NZ start by treating them like the precious commodity they are , get stake levels to place where owners feel like it's not just an endless tap to race a horse . Start giving starters incentives , free nom's and acceptance fees in most grades along with paying the jock's fee as most successful racing juridiction's do . In other words get stake money up and share it across the board so new people won't think the have to get a top liner just have a chance of making a buck . 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weasel Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, nomates said: Sorry mate can't agree with most of what you say , yes fewer are breeding because of lack of incentives . In my opinion throwing more money at the top end won't fix the issue , the quality at the top is thin now , won't see too many from last saturday making it to elite racing in Aussie . You want more owners in NZ start by treating them like the precious commodity they are , get stake levels to place where owners feel like it's not just an endless tap to race a horse . Start giving starters incentives , free nom's and acceptance fees in most grades along with paying the jock's fee as most successful racing juridiction's do . In other words get stake money up and share it across the board so new people won't think the have to get a top liner just have a chance of making a buck . i agre ethat the incentives nee dto be in lower grades too, as you suggest re noms./accept fees, jock fees etc..the examples i qupted wer emore to show how the $$ emphasis on just one or two races (ie 2yo and 3yo) ignores the strength of NZ -bred horses ..stayers!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, nomates said: Sorry mate can't agree with most of what you say , yes fewer are breeding because of lack of incentives . In my opinion throwing more money at the top end won't fix the issue , the quality at the top is thin now , won't see too many from last saturday making it to elite racing in Aussie . You want more owners in NZ start by treating them like the precious commodity they are , get stake levels to place where owners feel like it's not just an endless tap to race a horse . Start giving starters incentives , free nom's and acceptance fees in most grades along with paying the jock's fee as most successful racing juridiction's do . In other words get stake money up and share it across the board so new people won't think the have to get a top liner just have a chance of making a buck . Youre 100% correct, the problem in NZ racing is that its trying to go elitist racing without having a base to prop it up on. The Karaka Million Card was a great watch and a few of the fields were great betting races but it really come across like the very impression that most people have of racing in that its the sport of kings. I like the idea of the night , but it does feel a bit like racing is selling its soul in this country a bit like the common racing man/woman are excluded from the party and sold out for that night. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 On 29/01/2019 at 9:03 PM, Mark D said: Yip just trying to justify a totally disastrous transactiion. All the money from the sale of their land is gone. Nothing to show for it. A total clown The 2017 financials show current assets of $13 and an operating loss of ($133,253). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaltedMilkshake Posted February 1, 2019 Share Posted February 1, 2019 3 hours ago, nomates said: I'm stoked for you i know how hard it is to get a good one , my last one is now 4 hasn't raced yet but won her first trial as 2yo over 2 years ago , trialed as spring 3yo running 2 2nd's when not wound up with form in front and behind her strong but nothing but issues since , back in work but now a day to day prop , so far so good but no more , if i was in your position wouldn't hesitate . The twats that run NZ racing clueless and the supposed miracle solutions aren't going to change anything in a hurry , and iv'e always been a half glass full guy but have had a guts full of the poor management and watching the people who could put pressure on sitting and doing and saying nothing . Good luck with your horse . Thank you Nomates - I’m very appreciative of your support...? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 (edited) Just to get back to the 'closure' topic....one thing that hasn't been touched upon much, if at all...those 'dual code' tracks that are down to be 'closed' will then be up to harness people to maintain if they are to be kept going at all. Do HRNZ or local trotting clubs have the funds to do this? The harness fraternity have been given a hospital pass in all this. Edited February 2, 2019 by Freda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 IMO it will probably show the Thoroughbred people how things should be done and when they hit rock bottom they will try to get back in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 I have always thought that the harness folk have managed their share of the 'pie' more fairly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted February 2, 2019 Share Posted February 2, 2019 Yip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Freda said: Just to get back to the 'closure' topic....one thing that hasn't been touched upon much, if at all...those 'dual code' tracks that are down to be 'closed' will then be up to harness people to maintain if they are to be kept going at all. Do HRNZ or local trotting clubs have the funds to do this? The harness fraternity have been given a hospital pass in all this. Surely if the tracks stay open for the Harness persons to be used then the thoroughbred fraternity will just stay on board training at those venues? If they are to be closed for one code I'd have thought they'd be closed for both. They are just talking about losing licences for race dates at this point, the whole track closure side of things comes later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 3, 2019 Share Posted February 3, 2019 Ah.....possibly, yes. However, the cost of maintaining facilities for gallopers [ grass gallops, etc ] far outweigh that of a grit track for harness horses - and why should a trotting club pay for the gallopers? Make the galloping trainers pay for the upkeep, you may say... I have it on good authority that track fees/rents go nowhere near the real costs of upkeep - and many galloping trainers struggle with the level it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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