Is the photo finish broken in the Mufthasa?

[Chief Stipe]

What's the bet the camera is broken AGAIN?

[Murray Fish]

sigh, what is the next word when  Pathetic isn't enough!
 

[Huey]

Have to be ... wow just wow

[Chief Stipe]

The new timing system wasn't working either.  

[Newmarket]

FFS…. just another joke … add in the ongoing App issue…. once you get a monopoly, you never have to get better do you. Didnt worry me, i put my Aussie bets on Sportbet

[Chief Stipe]

19 minutes ago, Newmarket said:

FFS…. just another joke … add in the ongoing App issue…. once you get a monopoly, you never have to get better do you. Didnt worry me, i put my Aussie bets on Sportbet

What "ongoing App issue"?  Did you run out of coins for the WiFi???

[curious]

The camera is a joke. What both the inside and outside cameras weren't working. As for the new timing system, I'm beginning to think that's a myth. No sign of it today, nor yesterday at Riccarton which still doesn't even have last 600 times available.

[Chief Stipe]

The photo finish is posted for the race before and after the Mufthasa but not the Mufthasa.  Seems they are still working on the Stewards Report as well.

[Chief Stipe]

Immediately after the race Stewards were made aware that the photo-finish had failed to function. This resulted in a delay in declaring the result while the Judge confirmed his visual call by viewing video footage at length in the presence of the Stewards before declaring the official result. The Club will review circumstances as to the 
reasons for this malfunction occurring.

Report 2025-12-06 Trentham.pdf

[Chief Stipe]

FFS issues with the photo finish and electronic timing has been going on for years now!!!

[Wingman]

On a brighter note Mr Grumpy, the racing was fantastic and the track due to perfect drying conditions after a lot of rain early in the week provided the best surface I have seen at Trentham for quite some time.

[Chief Stipe]

27 minutes ago, Wingman said:

On a brighter note Mr Grumpy, the racing was fantastic and the track due to perfect drying conditions after a lot of rain early in the week provided the best surface I have seen at Trentham for quite some time.

Isn't that 3 years in a row that the Captain Cook/Mufthasa Group 1 has had serious issues?  I thought you'd be the first to call for accountability.

They yet again dodged a bullet.  If the margins had been a credit card thickness closer we'd still be waiting for a result.

It appears not only did the main system fail but so did the backup.

[Newmarket]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

What "ongoing App issue"?  Did you run out of coins for the WiFi???

Well…. you dont bet fuck all, and if you do your still using your Dell.

For the 6 of us trying to bet with Betch mid arvo, all had slooooow issues, couldnt accept bets. All using different phones and wifi…. hows that, you got anything to say? 

[Wingman]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

I thought you'd be the first to call for accountability.

You strike me as the grumpy old man tearing strips off your teenager for being late home before establishing the WHY? Yes there was a camera malfunction but it is too early to establish the WHY? Sometimes these things happen. Had it not happened you and every other grizzler would not have had anything to complain about as camera malfunction aside, it was a top day. We can sort out the accountability, that you take a cheap dig at me (I noticed not a peep on my accountability post from you ) next week when the facts should be revealed.

There has often been jokes about NZ being 25 years behind the rest of the developed world. In 2003 High Chaparral won the breeders cup turf at Santa Anita ( I had the pleasure of being at the same track in 2009 and watched the spectacle that was Zenyatta). The video definition was not then to the quality it is today, so after 15 minutes of deliberation, similar to Trentham today ,i.e. a camera malfunction, A deadheat was declared between High Chaparral and Johar.

 

[hesi]

It was just the one race that they had the malfunction, then spent the extra time reviewing all they had, which was the video footage.

Better to take the extra time and get it right.  Pretty clear cut in the end

 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, hesi said:

It was just the one race that they had the malfunction, then spent the extra time reviewing all they had, which was the video footage.

Better to take the extra time and get it right.  Pretty clear cut in the end

 

Except the video camera is not on the official finish line therefore the angle is incorrect.

There have already been a number of similar instances with the camera failing in the last two seasons.  If I recall correctly one involved tge Stewards over turning the Judges decision.

 

[Chief Stipe]

12 hours ago, Newmarket said:

For the 6 of us trying to bet with Betch mid arvo, all had slooooow issues, couldnt accept bets. All using different phones and wifi…. hows that, you got anything to say?

Well it appears you were all at the same location so that could be a localised 4G or 5G congestion issue.  There have been issues with ONE and SPARK capacity in recent weeks and also with cell tower upgrades.

Then again you could be using a 2G or 3G nokia clamshell.

Regardless the issue is most likely a network issue with a congestion point somewhere.  NOT an app issue.  

Looking at the issue you experienced it could very well indicate a growing pain problem - which looking at it positively is a good sign.

[curious]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Except the video camera is not on the official finish line therefore the angle is incorrect.

There have already been a number of similar instances with the camera failing in the last two seasons.  If I recall correctly one involved tge Stewards over turning the Judges decision.

 

Yes that camera is well to the right of the finish line so favours the inside horse. If it was clear cut, it wouldn't have taken the judge 10 minutes to reach a decision to the satisfaction of the stewards. Only 4th was clear cut.

[Newmarket]

5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Well it appears you were all at the same location so that could be a localised 4G or 5G congestion issue.  There have been issues with ONE and SPARK capacity in recent weeks and also with cell tower upgrades.

Then again you could be using a 2G or 3G nokia clamshell.

Regardless the issue is most likely a network issue with a congestion point somewhere.  NOT an app issue.  

Looking at the issue you experienced it could very well indicate a growing pain problem - which looking at it positively is a good sign.

Ahhh, no. Not all in same area, so not wifi. Betcha rep confirmed issues, but look i wont comment on this again… both Apps work great 100% of the time, that will keep you happy, have a nice sunday

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, Newmarket said:

Ahhh, no. Not all in same area, so not wifi. Betcha rep confirmed issues, but look i wont comment on this again… both Apps work great 100% of the time, that will keep you happy, have a nice sunday

Apps dont have "issues" - they might have "bugs" where certain functionality doesn't work but the biggest cause of the problems you describe is backend processing capacity or network connectivity/capacity issues.  Both of which ENTAIN sub-contracts to a vendor.

The rep wouldnt know what was the cause.  

[All The Aces]

8 hours ago, curious said:

Yes that camera is well to the right of the finish line so favours the inside horse. If it was clear cut, it wouldn't have taken the judge 10 minutes to reach a decision to the satisfaction of the stewards. Only 4th was clear cut.

Correct. The camera angle favours the inside horse. There is only one angle that confirms the winner and that is with the photo finish camera. Seeing it did not operate for some unknown reason (was it turned on) a dead heat should have been declared imo.  

[Wingman]

Correct. Refer to my post re breeders cup. There were are lot more dead heats prior to the digital age because they did not have the technical accuracy. Much clearer today however if as other posters have suggested the trackside camera is not in line but past the post then that surely is a case to declare a dead heat. Disclosure, watched, highly enjoyable, but did not bet on the race, so not talking from my pocket 

[hesi]

If the times are to be believed, Waitak won 

[Thomass]

Haha loving the .0 L as well

So Oatham on Weigh In yesterday says "human error"

How does the finishlynx work...Judge presses a button to activate before each race...or shirley in this day and age...AUTOMATIC??

[Chief Stipe]

On 6/12/2025 at 10:27 PM, Wingman said:

There has often been jokes about NZ being 25 years behind the rest of the developed world. In 2003 High Chaparral won the breeders cup turf at Santa Anita ( I had the pleasure of being at the same track in 2009 and watched the spectacle that was Zenyatta). The video definition was not then to the quality it is today, so after 15 minutes of deliberation, similar to Trentham today ,i.e. a camera malfunction, A deadheat was declared between High Chaparral and Johar.

Incorrect. So @Huey and @Freda can take their likes back.  It wasn't a camera malfunction at the Breeders Cup.  Just the first time that in a major race the photo finish showed an actual deadheat.  The technology they were using WAS modern to the extent that it was believed that an actual deadheat was impossible.  So they spent 13 minutes deliberating over a number of photos.
 

On 6/12/2025 at 10:27 PM, Wingman said:

You strike me as the grumpy old man tearing strips off your teenager for being late home before establishing the WHY? Yes there was a camera malfunction but it is too early to establish the WHY? Sometimes these things happen. Had it not happened you and every other grizzler would not have had anything to complain about as camera malfunction aside, it was a top day.

There were other things to complain about however the fact is the photo finish camera AND the electronic timing have been problematic at Trentham for over THREE years now.  If we can't get those key pieces of infrastructure working correctly on a Group 1 day or any raceday for that matter then the sport is still stuck in amateur mode.  

It just amazes me how you CD guys are so duplicitous - you bag or promote certain tracks and then turn a blind eye to others.  Seems Trentham is a protected species which of all ironies fits into @Huey and @Freda view of the world.