Murray Fish Posted Friday at 07:31 AM Posted Friday at 07:31 AM 1 3120X Crocetti(5g Zacinto (GB) - Gracehill) 2 91616 Spencer(6g Derryn (AUS) - Darcistar) 3 0X600 Sacred Satono(6h Satono Aladdin (JPN) - Belle Joie) 4 86X0X Navigator(6g El Roca (AUS) - Joiya (AUS)) 5 50X97 Our Echo(9g Echoes Of Heaven (AUS) - Sakura Cluden) 6 26284 Lhasa (AUS)(6g Hellbent (AUS) - Rupavari (AUS)) 7 X0X12 Master Fay (AUS)(8g Deep Field (AUS) - Keeping Score) 8 26X12 Platinum Attack (AUS)(5g Santos (AUS) - Conchita (AUS)) 9 X1373 Tardelli (AUS)(4h I Am Invincible (AUS) - Pierro Moss (AUS)) 10 2X421 First Five(5g Almanzor (FR) - Payette (AUS)) 11 X5447 Slipper Island (AUS)(6g No Nay Never (USA) - Pedicel (AUS)) 12 28591 Party Rocking(5g Belardo (IRE) - Party Lights) 13 60X06 Grail Seeker(5m Iffraaj (GB) - Starwish (AUS)) 14 31X3X Tomodachi(5m Tarzino - Quintessentially) 15 71X41 Ardalio(4m Ardrossan (AUS) - Bridgewater (AUS)) 16 42022 To Cap It All (AUS)(3f Capitalist (AUS) - Oh My Mimi (AUS)) Fields Quick Trials Gear Barrier Stats ›Download PDF › Draw RTG WGT Jockey Trainer Win Place 9 107 58.5 Warren Kennedy Danny Walker & Arron Tata - - 13 103 58.5 Elen Nicholas (a) Peter & Shaun McKay - - 1 100 58.5 Bruce Wallace & Grant Cooksley - - 4 95 58.5 Ryan Elliot Cody Cole - - 2 94 58.5 Kate Hercock Danny Frye - - 10 93 58.5 Tayla Mitchell (a) Mark Treweek - - 14 92 58.5 Opie Bosson Chad Ormsby - - 16 92 58.5 Craig Grylls Lisa Latta - - 8 92 58.5 Matt Cartwright Stephen Marsh - - 6 89 58.5 Wiremu Pinn David Greene - - 12 87 58.5 Sam Weatherley Tony Pike - - 7 74 58.5 Jim Chung (a) John Bary - - 3 104 56.5 Joe Doyle Lance O'Sullivan & Andrew Scott - - 15 98 56.5 James McDonald Lance O'Sullivan & Andrew Scott - - 11 94 56.5 Daniel Stackhouse Stephen Marsh - - 5 74 53.0 Masa Hashizume Stephen Marsh - Quote
Murray Fish Posted Friday at 07:33 AM Author Posted Friday at 07:33 AM Does this work as a WFA? Quote
curious Posted Friday at 09:26 AM Posted Friday at 09:26 AM 1 hour ago, Murray Fish said: Does this work as a WFA? You've lost me? Quote
hesi Posted Friday at 10:32 AM Posted Friday at 10:32 AM (edited) The Telegraph has been a true handicap race from its inception in 1890 through till 2014, then in 2015 run as set weights and penalties then from 2016 on as a WFA. As you know, with WFA, horses carry weight based on age and sex, not race record. The theory is it attracts the top horses. A horse like Crocetti would be carrying more weight under handicap conditions as would Grail Seeker, whereas a horse like First Five is poorly off at the same weight as Crocetti. I guess it also encourages 3-year-olds like To Cap It All to have a go Edited Friday at 10:33 AM by hesi Quote
mikeynz Posted Friday at 06:14 PM Posted Friday at 06:14 PM (edited) Will there be much of a a crowd at Trentham today ? Isn't this the Marton date moved from Awapuni, and if so when would the main race be if Awapuni was on today? Edited Friday at 06:18 PM by mikeynz Quote
Murray Fish Posted Friday at 07:25 PM Author Posted Friday at 07:25 PM Attack working ‘phenomenal’ but history paints outside gate in Telegraph a killer By Barry Lichter • 31 December 2025 Fixed odds $3.10 Tomodachi $6.50 Ardalio $7 Crocetti $10 Platinum Attack, Tardelli, First Five, Grail Seeker $13 Navigator $23 Master Fay, To Cap It All $31 Spencer $51 Slipper Island $61 Our Echo, Lhasa, Party Rocking History tells co-owner Neville McAlister that Platinum Attack is right up against it from the outside gate of 15 in Saturday’s $550,000 TAB Telegraph. Since 2000 only one horse has won the big Trentham sprint from the extreme outside barrier, when Guiseppina and James McDonald jumped from 18 in 2012. And only six of the last 26 winners (23%) have drawn outside gate 10. The fact that 13 winners (50%) have started from the six inside gates is enough to reinforce McAlister’s point that horses near the inside rail have that much of an advantage, covering many fewer metres in the running. “In the history of races down the 1200 metre chute the odds are well stacked against him,” says McAlister. “He’s up to the field but the draw makes it extremely tough. The best we can expect is for him to be five or six wide.” Exactly that happened in last year’s Telegraph when Platinum Attack started from the outside gate of 11 and lost his cover across the junction when shunted wide, sprinting hard but only managing to get within 4.6 lengths of winner Grail Seeker. Platinum Attack’s lead-up campaign this time has not been without hitches, a freak hail storm in Christchurch seeing him late scratched from the Stewards when the track turned heavy. And trainer Lisa Latta opted not to take the horse to his scheduled jumpout on December 23 because of an unsuitably wet track. “That’s of no consequence though. He would only have been there for a strong gallop, which he can do at home. “He’s a big trackworker, better going in fresh, and best with his races well spaced.” Platinum Attack’s only race since the Riccarton cup meeting came at Otaki on November 30 when his home stretch burst in the Levin Stakes had commentator Justin Evans agog. Freight train Last in the running and still there 500 metres out, he was shunted six wide on the turn and was still with the tailenders 200 metres out when he turned into a freight train. Platinum Attack clocked the fastest sectionals over the last 800 (44.37), 600 (33.13), 400 (22.29) and 200 (11.24) to get within half a neck of winner Azeezle. The fact he carried 59.5kg that day underlines McAlister’s belief that the weight-for-age conditions of Saturday’s sprint won’t unduly affect him, despite meeting much higher rated horses at level weights. “He’s a big, strong horse who’s proved he can carry weight.” McAlister, rather, is keeping an eye on the changing weather forecast. “Rain on the day would be a major for him - he can’t get home on a wet track - but I don’t think there’s much in the forecast, and it should be a soft 5 or even a good 4 by the time he races.” Latta reports Platinum Attack, who is co-owned by Lincoln Farms’ John and Lynne Street, is in great order for the race. “He couldn’t be looking any better and his work has been phenomenal. He is right where he needs to be to win a race like this. “We’re going to need some luck from the draw but Craig Grylls knows him well now and I thought that, on paper, he is certainly one of the better horses in the race. “Crocetti and Tomodachi look to be the testing material but, if he gets clear air at the right time, he will finish with a big run.” What the stats reveal Platinum Attack survives a statistical predictor, being a five-year-old, the most successful age group of Telegraph winners since 2000. Five-year-olds account for 14 winners, the next most successful age being four-year-olds and six-year-olds with four each. The five-year-olds this year include Platinum Attack, Crocetti, Tomodachi, Grail Seeker, First Five and Party Rocking. Grail Seeker has history on her side too with three horses notching back-to-back wins in the last eight years - Enzo’s Lad (2018-19), Avantage (2020-21) and Levante (2022-23). Levante claims the fastest time at 1:06.18, claimed to be an unofficial world record. Quote
Murray Fish Posted Friday at 07:26 PM Author Posted Friday at 07:26 PM 9 hours ago, curious said: 11 hours ago, Murray Fish said: Does this work as a WFA? You've lost me? @hesi post covers it... does this race work better at WFA v Hand... Quote
hesi Posted Friday at 07:55 PM Posted Friday at 07:55 PM It is impossible to say. In theory, yes But the decline overall in the quality of horses racing in NZ clouds it in practice. The list of winners going back pre-2016, contains many of the greatest sprinters ever to race in NZ 1 Quote
curious Posted Friday at 09:56 PM Posted Friday at 09:56 PM 2 hours ago, Murray Fish said: @hesi post covers it... does this race work better at WFA v Hand... OK. It really comes down to whether you want a race where the best horse wins (WFA), or one where they theoretically all have an equal chance (handicap). These days the Pattern committees want G1s to do the former. 2 Quote
hesi Posted Saturday at 03:55 AM Posted Saturday at 03:55 AM 17 hours ago, hesi said: The Telegraph has been a true handicap race from its inception in 1890 through till 2014, then in 2015 run as set weights and penalties then from 2016 on as a WFA. As you know, with WFA, horses carry weight based on age and sex, not race record. The theory is it attracts the top horses. A horse like Crocetti would be carrying more weight under handicap conditions as would Grail Seeker, whereas a horse like First Five is poorly off at the same weight as Crocetti. I guess it also encourages 3-year-olds like To Cap It All to have a go And to prove me wrong First Five easily at WFA for the first time. Must be a good horse 2 Quote
The Centaur Posted Saturday at 11:42 AM Posted Saturday at 11:42 AM 7 hours ago, hesi said: And to prove me wrong First Five easily at WFA for the first time. Must be a good horse Might pay to follow the horse December which had a ding dong with First Five last season. Quote
muzenza365 Posted Saturday at 06:36 PM Posted Saturday at 06:36 PM I had a few mates around to the Mancave to punt and drink a few ales. I was keen on Navigator, so i had an each-way ticket on him and also took a Trifecta. I was happy with myself as i had taken First Five with 3 others to win and had 7 seven horses to run 2nd and third. I had seen the Trifecta had paid $2770, and i thought i had 89%, but to my horror i had left Navigator out. Gerald Shand, who lives across the road, had told me that First Five was a real chance and he rang me pleased he had tip it, after the race and asked if i followed his tip, I lied and said i did. Memo to myself, restrict your drinking when punting. 1 3 Quote
hesi Posted Saturday at 06:37 PM Posted Saturday at 06:37 PM Could be a good idea. A wall of horses in front of it on New Years Day, so not persevered with to finish last in a good field. The Railway on Jan 24 is going to be a great race with a couple of Aussie group winners, plus Alabama Lass, First Five and another up and comer in Sweynesday Quote
hesi Posted Saturday at 06:42 PM Posted Saturday at 06:42 PM 2 minutes ago, muzenza365 said: I had a few mates around to the Mancave to punt and drink a few ales. I was keen on Navigator, so i had an each-way ticket on him and also took a Trifecta. I was happy with myself as i had taken First Five with 3 others to win and had 7 seven horses to run 2nd and third. I had seen the Trifecta had paid $2770, and i thought i had 89%, but to my horror i had left Navigator out. Gerald Shand, who lives across the road, had told me that First Five was a real chance and he rang me pleased he had tip it, after the race and asked if i followed his tip, I lied and said i did. Memo to myself, restrict your drinking when punting. Navigator certainly had the stats for that race and blew out to 40/8. I don't bet much these days, but had a $10 Top 3 multi, Doctor Askar/La Dorada/Navigator for a nice collect that would have been over double had it been an all up! Quote
Newmarket Posted Saturday at 10:18 PM Posted Saturday at 10:18 PM Wow…. used to be a top class field…. pretty 2nd rate now. Quote
Shad Posted yesterday at 06:04 AM Posted yesterday at 06:04 AM 11 hours ago, hesi said: Navigator certainly had the stats for that race and blew out to 40/8. I don't bet much these days, but had a $10 Top 3 multi, Doctor Askar/La Dorada/Navigator for a nice collect that would have been over double had it been an all up! Excuse my ignorance but is the all up better because its tote odds, or other reason.i took s multi with captain upham today, unfortunately a average ride in my first leg tripped me up, I've alway wondered which option was better. Quote
Shab Posted yesterday at 08:55 AM Posted yesterday at 08:55 AM 2 hours ago, Shad said: Excuse my ignorance but is the all up better because its tote odds, or other reason.i took s multi with captain upham today, unfortunately a average ride in my first leg tripped me up, I've alway wondered which option was better. Take win SP if you gotta take multis. Hardly any punter beats the closing prices. Quote
hesi Posted yesterday at 09:49 AM Posted yesterday at 09:49 AM 3 hours ago, Shad said: Excuse my ignorance but is the all up better because its tote odds, or other reason.i took s multi with captain upham today, unfortunately a average ride in my first leg tripped me up, I've alway wondered which option was better. Pardon my ignorance and an indication of how long ago I took an all up, but they were discontinued in Dec 2024. But yes, they went on tote odds and a large all up could significantly affect the price on a horse Quote
Shad Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 6 hours ago, Shab said: Take win SP if you gotta take multis. Hardly any punter beats the closing prices. So the sp relates to tote odds not fixed odds, I've notice some odds change when the race has started, hence no show of obtaining them, one would think given today's technology that shouldn't happen at all, I got ripped last March when my 31s tote price, changed from 31 to 52 fixed, about 5 seconds from race start. Quote
Nowornever Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 13 hours ago, Shad said: Excuse my ignorance but is the all up better because its tote odds, or other reason.i took s multi with captain upham today, unfortunately a average ride in my first leg tripped me up, I've alway wondered which option was better. Would have to be a manual all-up as TAB did away with all-up betting a while ago. Quote
Chief Stipe Posted 16 hours ago Posted 16 hours ago 5 hours ago, Shad said: got ripped last March when my 31s tote price, changed from 31 to 52 fixed, about 5 seconds from race start. I assume the horse won? Quote
Shab Posted 14 hours ago Posted 14 hours ago 8 hours ago, Shad said: So the sp relates to tote odds not fixed odds No. Closing fixed odds price. Stop punting and go back through all your bets to compare what you got v what you coulda got. Only start again when you have worked out how to beat the starting prices. 1 Quote
Shad Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 8 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I assume the horse won? Yes a horse called Sinai Sermon, Westport trots last March meeting 32 v 54 took tote odds at reefton 2 days he won again and paid 40s tote odds 34 from memory fixed, been exported to China now, also happen to me with miss onaki, 27s v 42, in fairness did put my bet on a couple hrs earlier due to work commitments, on the other side captain upham I got 67s tote v 40 fixed. All abit suspect to me. Quote
Shab Posted 7 hours ago Posted 7 hours ago 11 minutes ago, Shad said: on the other side captain upham I got 67s tote v 40 fixed. All abit suspect to me. Captain Upham paid $235 to win on Betfair and $83 best tote yesterday. Gotta luv monopolies 1 Quote
Shad Posted 6 hours ago Posted 6 hours ago 54 minutes ago, Shab said: Captain Upham paid $235 to win on Betfair and $83 best tote yesterday. Gotta luv monopolies Heck that's a big difference, would've loved that 235, cheers for your info on the odds an betting, much appreciated. Quote
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