Cody Cole refuses drug test...DQ inevitable

[Huey]

15 hours ago, hesi said:

Is he still allowed to train while there are proceedings against him

Certainly looks that way.

[Huey]

14 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

I honestly don't see what the big deal is.  

No one would expect you to see the big deal in it, so little point in you stating it.

You're an armchair trainer who wears a Tangerine onesie & slippers to bed , dont attempt to empathize with those at the coal face in the industry. 

[Chief Stipe]

26 minutes ago, Huey said:

No one would expect you to see the big deal in it, so little point in you stating it.

FFS do you and @nomates and @Joe Bloggs sit on a joint ZOOM meeting all day?  The three of you are tarred with the same brush.

Facts:

Cole was asked to appear for drug testing.
He found an excuse to avoid it.
The RIB charged him with failing to present for the test as requested.
A hearing found him guilty.

Now we await his penalty.

In the meantime unti his penalty is given which will probably be a suspension he is continuing to train.

Big deal.  Only small minded types such as yourself are banging on about on social media.  Probably because you have nothing else exciting in your life and you won't admit to being a Coronation Street fan.

 

[Stagman]

Actually, when all's said and done a suspension of a couple of months looks the likely outcome and if that's the penalty imposed i guess Kurtis Pertab got off lightly for cruelty to animals, so Mr Cole does suffer the embarrassment of the situation and also do his owners .

[Chief Stipe]

It cracks me up when I read some comments that say those owners and trainers that had horses beaten by Cole horses would be pissed off that he wasn't suspended straight away.  Is that what you on about @Huey?  

As if Coles condition affects the performance of his horses!!!

But there are always a few in this industry looking for any edge they can get.

[Huey]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

It cracks me up when I read some comments that say those owners and trainers that had horses beaten by Cole horses would be pissed off that he wasn't suspended straight away.  Is that what you on about @Huey?  

As if Coles condition affects the performance of his horses!!!

But there are always a few in this industry looking for any edge they can get.

Keep trainers winners from your armchair @Chief Stipe

[curious]

3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

FFS do you and @nomates and @Joe Bloggs sit on a joint ZOOM meeting all day?  The three of you are tarred with the same brush.

Facts:

Cole was asked to appear for drug testing.
He found an excuse to avoid it.
The RIB charged him with failing to present for the test as requested.
A hearing found him guilty.

Now we await his penalty.

In the meantime until his penalty is given which will probably be a suspension he is continuing to train.

Big deal.  Only small minded types such as yourself are banging on about on social media.  Probably because you have nothing else exciting in your life and you won't admit to being a Coronation Street fan.

 

Hmmmm... He didn't have a +ve test but failure to appear for testing surely has to be treated as +ve. The primary purpose of D&A testing is H&S. So, you would say that a jockey say with a +ve breath test on race morning should be allowed to continue to ride until they have been charged and undergone due process?

[hesi]

15 minutes ago, curious said:

Hmmmm... He didn't have a +ve test but failure to appear for testing surely has to be treated as +ve. The primary purpose of D&A testing is H&S. So, you would say that a jockey say with a +ve breath test on race morning should be allowed to continue to ride until they have been charged and undergone due process?

I thought because of the Cropp case, the law was changed such that if a jockey or indeed any licensed person was charged, they could not continue in that role, even though they may be challenging the charge, which is what Cropp did, right through to the Court of Appeal

[Chief Stipe]

12 minutes ago, curious said:

Hmmmm... He didn't have a +ve test but failure to appear for testing surely has to be treated as +ve. The primary purpose of D&A testing is H&S. So, you would say that a jockey say with a +ve breath test on race morning should be allowed to continue to ride until they have been charged and undergone due process?

Tell me if a Trainer has taken drugs how does it improve the performance of their horses?  I realise you have quite a few more clues than @Comic Dog who seems to believe it does.

Comparing a Jockey about to ride a horse that same day with a Trainer who on raceday the closest they are likely to get to a horse is saddling it is not an apples with apples comparison.

Regardless if the Jockey doesn't present for a test on raceday then he isn't likely to ride that day is he?  Then they would be immediately suspended for failing to fulfil their engagements.

In either case if charged with failing to present the person concerned is very unlikely to present in the future while under investigation with drugs in their system knowing full well that they can guarantee they will be tested.  

The other factor too is the zero tolerance for both a Jockey and a Trainer but that's another whole area of discussion about environmental contamination.

 

[curious]

Well the rule for drug testing is about any licence holder performing a safety-sensitive activity. Whether that is a jockey, trainer, strapper, work-rider or whatever doesn't matter. I   personally think it should also cover non-licence holders such as starters and assistants for example.

[curious]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Tell me if a Trainer has taken drugs how does it improve the performance of their horses?  I realise you have quite a few more clues than @Comic Dog who seems to believe it does.

Comparing a Jockey about to ride a horse that same day with a Trainer who on raceday the closest they are likely to get to a horse is saddling it is not an apples with apples comparison.

Regardless if the Jockey doesn't present for a test on raceday then he isn't likely to ride that day is he?  Then they would be immediately suspended for failing to fulfil their engagements.

In either case if charged with failing to present the person concerned is very unlikely to present in the future while under investigation with drugs in their system knowing full well that they can guarantee they will be tested.  

The other factor too is the zero tolerance for both a Jockey and a Trainer but that's another whole area of discussion about environmental contamination.

 

Where do you get the zero tolerance for jockeys and trainers? Is it different for other licence  holders?

Edited 7 hours ago by curious

[Freda]

A close [ trainer]  acquaintance of mine was given the 'white paper' and told to present to produce a sample.  He did the bolt, and was suspended immediately, pending a sample being produced for testing.  

He refused, and was disqualified.  Still is, eight years later.

One's licence is contingent on presenting for drug testing when required.  The way I read it, is there are no mitigating circumstances.

Edited 7 hours ago by Freda

[Murray Fish]

throwing in a historical comment about Human Testing.  mid 80's! starting with a 'witch hunt'...  cannabis in  the "jockeys colony", Shock Horror!   Amusingly, a senor rider from America was visiting and having a few rides, he was standing by me with  reading a copy of FFlash,  with some Large Headline!!!   Gee, he says, all that for pot!!! Back home there would have been few riders! way more concern then around Class A drugs etc...  The drums were beating to get 'these druggies' and lets get these druggie stable hands and track riders as well.    *we all know they are on it*.     I had a chuckle and a chat with Bud Flavell (Sen Racecourse Dect) about how was going to have a interesting time delivering on that.. 

Unbidden fallout from above:   Cannabis testing came in,  leading to some Convictions!!!!  but slowly negated the use for Riders, Knowing how long it can stay in your system!  easiest solution!  trade up from Class C to the A's, out of your system way quicker!!! 

Enough said for a Public Forum!    lol,  in person, I could share some stories about what I have posted above!

[Chief Stipe]

5 hours ago, Freda said:

A close [ trainer]  acquaintance of mine was given the 'white paper' and told to present to produce a sample.  He did the bolt, and was suspended immediately, pending a sample being produced for testing.  

He refused, and was disqualified.  Still is, eight years later.

One's licence is contingent on presenting for drug testing when required.  The way I read it, is there are no mitigating circumstances.

Name the trainer and the case then we can assess the Decision that was passed otherwise we are relying on your interpretation and @Pete Lane 's.  

[Pete Lane]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Name the trainer and the case then we can assess the Decision that was passed otherwise we are relying on your interpretation and @Pete Lane 's.  

Nothing to do with me at all. I just appreciated Freda's post. Sorry if you thought I knew something about it.

[Murray Fish]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Name the trainer and the case

yes sir! I have a story along those lines!  of outspoken harness trainer, (+100 wins) passed tests previously!  got asked for another, after a  slightly  heated verbal clash!  with  'mr stipe koont',...    other than pain killers from shoeing thousands of horses! he has always been near tea tootler!!! sigh