hunterthepunter Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 haha what a joke they showed last start how good they are so they fully recovered from what?? no juice when boss away??? there reel form was in there last start 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 39 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Lets hope those good mares have fully recovered and both race up to their ratings Friday night. Great supporting fields as well and for the Anti AS mob they can enjoy 150K going elsewhere in 3yr old fillies race? Which one are you really? Didn't you call Brodie by the name of Wayne, recently on here? My memory is hazy. You have history if you are doing that, especially on here. If you read the 99% of comments on the AS domination they are clarified by the respect for their professionalism and success. It is not being anti as such, it is just the perceived underlying issues it is causing. None different to the rah rah clan who think it is the best thing since sliced bread that they win the majority of the money on offer in big races. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Which one are you really? Didn't you call Brodie by the name of Wayne, recently on here? My memory is hazy. You have history if you are doing that, especially on here. If you read the 99% of comments on the AS domination they are clarified by the respect for their professionalism and success. It is not being anti as such, it is just the perceived underlying issues it is causing. None different to the rah rah clan who think it is the best thing since sliced bread that they win the majority of the money on offer in big races. If your asking me who i am my first name is Greg. I think everyone in Canterbury Harness knows who most posters on here and another site are including yourself. Im sure you have received or sent PM's at one time or another about who such and such is. For mine this site is riddled with anti AS posters, look at the post above yours. I'm merely interested in the racing,horse and punting side of things. What about you??? Greg Edited February 14, 2019 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 47 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: haha what a joke they showed last start how good they are so they fully recovered from what?? no juice when boss away??? there reel form was in there last start are all flavours equally as good hunter ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Didn't you call Brodie by the name of Wayne, recently on here? My memory is hazy. jj flash on the money as usual 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: If your asking me who i am my first name is Greg. I think everyone in Canterbury Harness knows who most posters on here and another site are including yourself. Im sure you have received or sent PM's at one time or another about who such and such is. For mine this site is riddled with anti AS posters, look at the post above yours. I'm merely interested in the racing,horse and punting side of things. What about you??? Greg why is every one anti of your stable?? if they are good trainers and there horses so good can they not race like the good old horses like paleface adios village kid ect and race for over 100 starts no because they all break down and burn out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) Look reality is that The AllStars stables perform unbelievably well! Reality is that all other stables in NZ have very little chance of being able to win the races with the bigger stake money, if their are AllStar horses engaged and Mark and Nat are in the country, we all know that! Reality is that owners and trainers have got the stitch trying to beat the AllStars and that is gospel! Reality is that group racing is not what it used to be and is very boring as a spectacle nowadays and Cup Day is only good for the socialising rather than the racing! Reality is that punters are being turned off punting due to the domination! Reality is that owners outside that stable are dreaming if they think that they can make money racing anything but a very good horse in NZ, that is why they are getting sold Reality is that new owners are not coming into the industry and our Junior ranks would be very thin if it wasn’t for the females that are working in stables! Reality is that I love harness racing, but it is fact that most owners, trainers and punters would prefer that The AllStars stable was not dominating harness in NZ! Reality is that if it continues, harness racing is going to continue to deteriorate! I don’t knock the performance of that stable, just state the reality of fact!!!! Edited February 14, 2019 by Brodie 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 hours ago, JJ Flash said: For mine this site is riddled with anti AS posters, look at the post above yours. Did you read what I wrote? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 hours ago, JJ Flash said: If your asking me who i am my first name is Greg. I am not asking your name. I am asking what gives you the right to call someone out using their first name? It is your choice to use your first name but not to use it with others. Your mate from racecafe, FTM, would agree with that. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 hours ago, JJ Flash said: I think everyone in Canterbury Harness knows who most posters on here and another site are including yourself. Really? I got no fricking clue apart from about 2 or 3 who chose to say. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 3 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Im sure you have received or sent PM's at one time or another about who such and such is. Umm no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 happy he be calling you Anna Hoffman soon lol rapahoe trainer 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, hunterthepunter said: happy he be calling you Anna Hoffman soon lol rapahoe trainer NZ Cup winning trainer 2019. I will take that. Nothing like beating those All Stars on Cup Day lol. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said: NZ Cup winning trainer 2019. I will take that. Nothing like beating those All Stars on Cup Day lol. rating 51 might get 30m handicap in the cup lol detection barn will stop them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: why is every one anti of your stable?? if they are good trainers and there horses so good can they not race like the good old horses like paleface adios village kid ect and race for over 100 starts no because they all break down and burn out Once gain you are wide of the mark but whats new. I have never had any contact with AS stable nor have i raced one from their barn. I have used other trainers though Greg Edited February 14, 2019 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Happy Sunrise said: Did you read what I wrote? Yep and i replied but a detective you will never be if that,s your best effort. No idea about the relevance of FTM in this thread but have noted you,HTP and FU seem utterly obsessed about him/her. In short, as ive said before i wont be bullied or shut down by anyone except the owner of the site. Im here to make posts on topics of interest , what are you here for Greg Edited February 14, 2019 by JJ Flash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 4 hours ago, Rangatira said: jj flash on the money as usual Thanks , at least someone on here is not paranoid about my arrival Greg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 57 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Yep and i replied but a detective you will never be if that,s your best effort. No idea about the relevance of FTM in this thread but have noted you,HTP and FU seem utterly obsessed about him/her. In short, as ive said before i wont be bullied or shut down by anyone except the owner of the site. Im here to make posts on topics of interest , what are you here for Greg all of us on here are not going to be bullied by you have seen the crap that you have posted on rc so don't be so one eyed about what's good for harness racing 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chestnut Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Some folk can only respond if it's in the negative vein.. hunter if you ever post anything slightly positive I might be more inclined to take your posts seriously as with the rest of you.. I guess this is a vent for the majority for other frustrations, but I really feel ... what is killing racing in NZ is all the so called enthusiasts forum postings that strive to point out what is wrong with it, instead of rejoicing anything slightly positive. Sure there are downsides.. but as in any grouping there are those that live off negativity because it's easier than saying something positive, because you then may have to smile a little... enjoy life a little... be open to being disappointed.. but if that's your bent.. you always will be sadly disappointed. If this is what people see when they come all excited to racing forum to talk about something they might have an interest in.. why blame anyone else for the state of racing. Would you dare to post about Chris Waller's dominance in Australian racing? No, because it keeps people interested... imagine if he suddenly decided to stop. You criticise purdons all the time.. do you know their history? do you know their relations, in laws, cousins, daughters, sons, partners ??? that are keeping NZ racing going .. imagine if they all went... don't you think the public would go? How short sighted are you all? What you really need to be focussing on is making owner trainer facilities more available, getting more horses out there, making harness viable, making it able to be run with full fields anywhere.. but instead you just blame anyone in the infrastructure who is actually trying to make a living, with no ideas or suggestions on how to improve it.. So go on... post ideas, send them to HRNZ, send them to the Racing Minister, get yourselves out there, be proactive.. happily surprise me... or just continue to moan, to try and catch people out whenever they post something that you think you can better them on, and blame everyone but yourselves, for the state of racing. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 well Addington for start could get rid of the bloody crap food to start with in the members stand crap booze and that silly bloody winners stand haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: No idea about the relevance of FTM in this thread but have noted you,HTP and FU seem utterly obsessed about him/her. Can you answer why you feel compelled to call Brodie, Wayne? Please. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 Eric son gave out details on the other channel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Chestnut said: Some folk can only respond if it's in the negative vein.. hunter if you ever post anything slightly positive I might be more inclined to take your posts seriously as with the rest of you.. I guess this is a vent for the majority for other frustrations, but I really feel ... what is killing racing in NZ is all the so called enthusiasts forum postings that strive to point out what is wrong with it, instead of rejoicing anything slightly positive. Sure there are downsides.. but as in any grouping there are those that live off negativity because it's easier than saying something positive, because you then may have to smile a little... enjoy life a little... be open to being disappointed.. but if that's your bent.. you always will be sadly disappointed. If this is what people see when they come all excited to racing forum to talk about something they might have an interest in.. why blame anyone else for the state of racing. Would you dare to post about Chris Waller's dominance in Australian racing? No, because it keeps people interested... imagine if he suddenly decided to stop. You criticise purdons all the time.. do you know their history? do you know their relations, in laws, cousins, daughters, sons, partners ??? that are keeping NZ racing going .. imagine if they all went... don't you think the public would go? How short sighted are you all? What you really need to be focussing on is making owner trainer facilities more available, getting more horses out there, making harness viable, making it able to be run with full fields anywhere.. but instead you just blame anyone in the infrastructure who is actually trying to make a living, with no ideas or suggestions on how to improve it.. So go on... post ideas, send them to HRNZ, send them to the Racing Minister, get yourselves out there, be proactive.. happily surprise me... or just continue to moan, to try and catch people out whenever they post something that you think you can better them on, and blame everyone but yourselves, for the state of racing. Take a bow Chestnut. As an owner and pro active Harness nut I don't give a fat rats arse for the Purdon barn. And I dont mean that in a negative sense as I applaud their success. A quote from a well known movie comes to mind. " You can get busy living, or you can get busy dying ". The Harness scene won't die with the right attitude from those that strive to overcome the seemingly unsurmountable odds stacked againsted them from certain quarters. Harness in NZ has far too much rich History and ingrained character for it to curl up and die. Frankly some on here have very narrow lives. " 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 7 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Lets hope those good mares have fully recovered and both race up to their ratings Friday night. Great supporting fields as well and for the Anti AS mob they can enjoy 150K going elsewhere in 3yr old fillies race? Greg Greg, I'm not part of any mob fella and I'm not "anti All Stars so save your precious and condescending generalizations for elsewhere. I've spent my adult life fronting as an individual and don't appreciate your patronizing choice of words. Attempting to portray anyone who is not cheer leading the All Stars as being negative or envious of their success is a gross misrepresentation of the way I see things myself and the other input I read here about the subject. It is however exactly the sort of "in club" crap that is intended to shut down discussion and ridicule anyone that doesn't have their adoring nose wedged firmly up the All Stars arse. That leads me to believe the misrepresentation of the concerns raised is very deliberate and often motivated by vested interest. The total dominance the A.S have achieved in the last few seasons is unprecedented in NZ Harness Racing. At first, I was hugely impressed with everything about their achievements. Then I started to see the complete dominance at virtually every feature meeting. There is only so much of the cream to go around. That cream and the hope of it is what keeps many in the game. As a result, when you see one stable with the usual names in the ownership, taking almost all the cream at almost every feature meeting, it is no longer a positive for NZ Harness Racing. It starts to become a negative and that process is well under way. The long term ramifications are potentially devastating. If we stay on this track, I sincerely believe we will have no harness racing left in NZ within 20 years, at least not in it's present form. NZ is just too small a pool to have a long term total domination of elite races from one stable. The A.S have the 2 and 3 year old features done and dusted before the races have even been run. You could virtually dispense with the formality of running the races and just send the prize money straight to the A.S and their owners. Obviously this is a significant issue especially as 2 and 3 year olds are the future. If people give up the futile chase, the writing is on the wall and I feel that process is now under way. Mark Purdon is a magnificent conditioner of a race horse and has a great eye for buying yearlings. He's also an under rated driver. I've always seen him as a world class driver. My respect of his skills started in the early 90's with Pride Of Petite who I followed from day one. It was a master class. I was also a big fan of her dam the great Petite Evander. Add the skills of Natalie and owners with deep pockets and you have the perfect recipe for success. Unfortunately, when they have multiple runners in feature races, they choose to turn the race into a farcical choreographed pantomime. I wouldn't call it team driving. Mark does not do what Barry did in the 80's when he used stable runners with the purpose of being the sacrificial lamb.. They were there to burn out Dillon Dean, Franco Ice and The Bru Czar etc and set the victory up for another stable runner. Mark does not resort to that. He just uses his numerical advantage to control / manipulate the outcome of the race. Rivals are squeezed out. If it just happened for one or two seasons for some of the races it wouldn't be an issue. It is however happening in most feature races, especially the high value 2 and 3 year old events and it's season after season after season. The trotters seem to be spared but there are only a few elite trotting races for older horses each season. If they dominated those also, the end for many would in my opinion, be hastened. My genuine concern is about the future of NZ harness racing and the "anti AS" you see from others is motivated only by that exact same genuine concern. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 14, 2019 Share Posted February 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chestnut said: Some folk can only respond if it's in the negative vein.. hunter if you ever post anything slightly positive I might be more inclined to take your posts seriously as with the rest of you.. I guess this is a vent for the majority for other frustrations, but I really feel ... what is killing racing in NZ is all the so called enthusiasts forum postings that strive to point out what is wrong with it, instead of rejoicing anything slightly positive. Sure there are downsides.. but as in any grouping there are those that live off negativity because it's easier than saying something positive, because you then may have to smile a little... enjoy life a little... be open to being disappointed.. but if that's your bent.. you always will be sadly disappointed. If this is what people see when they come all excited to racing forum to talk about something they might have an interest in.. why blame anyone else for the state of racing. Would you dare to post about Chris Waller's dominance in Australian racing? No, because it keeps people interested... imagine if he suddenly decided to stop. You criticise purdons all the time.. do you know their history? do you know their relations, in laws, cousins, daughters, sons, partners ??? that are keeping NZ racing going .. imagine if they all went... don't you think the public would go? How short sighted are you all? What you really need to be focussing on is making owner trainer facilities more available, getting more horses out there, making harness viable, making it able to be run with full fields anywhere.. but instead you just blame anyone in the infrastructure who is actually trying to make a living, with no ideas or suggestions on how to improve it.. So go on... post ideas, send them to HRNZ, send them to the Racing Minister, get yourselves out there, be proactive.. happily surprise me... or just continue to moan, to try and catch people out whenever they post something that you think you can better them on, and blame everyone but yourselves, for the state of racing. Chestnut, I wouldn’t mind what you are on!! You are entitled to you opinion, but to post that is quite astonishing! Of course it is great to post the positive things in harness racing, however there are also many many things that are going on that is detrimental to the medium term co tinuation of harness racing! Pointless writing to HRNZ pointing out the errors of their ways as they are a law unto theirselves. Not going to book on about the many things that are currently wrong as everyone knows what Brodie thinks. If you are one of those that think that the AllStars are great for harness racing In NZ then you need to get your head out of the sand! I personally know not a single person involved in harness racing outside of the AllStars Stable that would suggest that the domination by the one stable of the major races is good for the industry! Would be great if HRNZ would take on board suggestions from people but they don’t tend to! We post our ideas on this site in the hope that they will at least consider our sjggestions and as you will know Brodie is always on the money! Great to have your contribution however. Edited February 14, 2019 by Brodie 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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