Richie Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 7 wins and 2 seconds from 9 races for Michael House. Great effort even at a low class meeting with poor horses . These horses struggle to be competitive in Canterbury but grow another leg up there.Good times too.Couple of nice divvies too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Richie said: 7 wins and 2 seconds from 9 races for Michael House. Great effort even at a low class meeting with poor horses . These horses struggle to be competitive in Canterbury but grow another leg up there.Good times too.Couple of nice divvies too. Yeah, good effort. He might surprise a few when he sets up at auckland too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Yeah, good effort. He might surprise a few when he sets up at auckland too I hope so, some Auckland fields now are on a par with Manawatu 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDWHITEMAN Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Richie said: 7 wins and 2 seconds from 9 races for Michael House. Great effort even at a low class meeting with poor horses . These horses struggle to be competitive in Canterbury but grow another leg up there.Good times too.Couple of nice divvies too. Yes a great effort by Michael House, well done. I still worry about the viability of the area's trainers if House is going to clean up every meeting but nevertheless House deserves credit. Young Sarah O'Reilly also going well. She has inherited her father's driving genes, her grandfather and uncles were also pretty good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: Yes a great effort by Michael House, well done. I still worry about the viability of the area's trainers if House is going to clean up every meeting but nevertheless House deserves credit. Young Sarah O'Reilly also going well. She has inherited her father's driving genes, her grandfather and uncles were also pretty good. what about uncle Denis lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 2 hours ago, Richie said: 7 wins and 2 seconds from 9 races for Michael House. Yes great effort. When it was 5/5 I thought OMG hes going to win the card. My question is, not necessarily to those who have posted here, but how come when House wins almost every race gets the plaudits and rightly so, when the All Stars win 3 races on a card there are deemded bad for the industry, all other trainers are disgruntled, and trotting is on a slipperly slide because of them. Something very wrong here with some peoples logic and very hypocritical. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, Harewood said: My question is, not necessarily to those who have posted here, but how come when House wins almost every race gets the plaudits and rightly so, when the All Stars win 3 races on a card there are deemded bad for the industry, all other trainers are disgruntled, and trotting is on a slipperly slide because of them. It is exactly the same principle. Great effort and deserved but bad in the long run. There is no way harness racing at Palmy can survive if Mr House continues to clean up like this. The reverse also applies...should the trainers who are racing at Palmy up their game? Can they? Or is this procession of wins by House inevitable. What advice would those who put forward this solution of upping their game be to those trainers getting beat at the moment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Harewood said: Yes great effort. When it was 5/5 I thought OMG hes going to win the card. My question is, not necessarily to those who have posted here, but how come when House wins almost every race gets the plaudits and rightly so, when the All Stars win 3 races on a card there are deemded bad for the industry, all other trainers are disgruntled, and trotting is on a slipperly slide because of them. Something very wrong here with some peoples logic and very hypocritical. I can't speak for others, but my resentment toward the All Stars is the fact they take virtually all the cream from the harness cake and leave the scraps for the rest. The meeting today was crumbs. When most folk look at buying a horse, they hope they will snap up a horse that goes on to be a top liner. The sad reality is, even if they happened to fluke a Franco Ice or The Bru Czar, they would still miss out on the cream as the All Stars would have multiple runners in the G1's and use their numerical advantage etc to squeeze you out and make sure the only owners smiling every week are All Stars owners. Anyone who thinks that's good for the game has got rocks in their head. I see they ran first second and third in last weeks 2 year old event at Addington. We can look forward to yet another snorefest of the All Stars trifectering virtually every elite 2 and 3 year old feature race this season. You'd have to be nuts to invest in a young horse if it was not in the All Star stable. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Joe Kidd said: but my resentment toward the All Stars is the fact they take virtually all the cream from the harness cake and leave the scraps for the rest. My resentment is the fact the racing is boring and result is a foregone conclusion the majority of the time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 23 minutes ago, Joe Kidd said: leave the scraps for the rest. The meeting today was crumbs. So does the House have your resentment also in that he took all the crumbs as you put it. Or is that ok to smash the locals into submission when all they will ever race for is the crumbs. What is left after the crumbs. Just dust as all the local trainers give up and depart. Is that ok or do we look forward to fields just made up of House runners as there was in Auck the other night or Victoria or Tassie over the ditch. Interested in your comments without bring the All stars up as support as this today is on another level, a much higher one. No grass roots trotting = NO TROTTING. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 Reality is that Michael House does not perform outstandingly in Canterbury. The main reason that Michael House performs so well at Palmy is that the standard of horse racing up there is less than average! Any reasonable trainer in Canterbury that sends up an average horse to race up there, would also do very well! Yes we know there a few ardent supporters of the AllStars stable and we have to admire his dedication to his craft, hard work, selecting horses at sales, pillaging the best horses in work from other trainers etc. The biggest fan of the AllStars stable on the Darkside does not contribute a brass razoo to harness racing as he doesn’t own or punt etc. Yes Harness Racing will be dominated each and every year by the Allstars stable in NZ while they have horses racing here. It is not that they win plenty of races at all, it is the fact that they plunder the stakes of all the big stakes races and leaves a pittance to the rest of the owners and trainers in NZ! Will owners continue to want to breed, buy at sales or buy existing horses, paying big money to have horses trained for them in the hope that they get one good enough to hopefully pay for itself? No they won’t and the industry is going to continue to suffer! The TAB are aware that harness is struggling and not profitable for them, that is why they are wanting Sports betting to be their priority as it is profit making for them! 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDWHITEMAN Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 8 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: My resentment is the fact the racing is boring and result is a foregone conclusion the majority of the time. You will be pleased with the Wrightson Fillies Race 6 at Addington Happy? There is a hefty stake $150,000 up for grabs and not an All Stars horse in the field. Personally, I think it is one of the poorest fields I have seen for a race of this stake. Nine starters and none of them potential top-liners. I wouldn't have a clue who is winning this. I like the Brent Gray trained filly but bad draw so I don't think she has a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 8 hours ago, Joe Kidd said: I can't speak for others, but my resentment toward the All Stars is the fact they take virtually all the cream from the harness cake and leave the scraps for the rest. The meeting today was crumbs. When most folk look at buying a horse, they hope they will snap up a horse that goes on to be a top liner. The sad reality is, even if they happened to fluke a Franco Ice or The Bru Czar, they would still miss out on the cream as the All Stars would have multiple runners in the G1's and use their numerical advantage etc to squeeze you out and make sure the only owners smiling every week are All Stars owners. Anyone who thinks that's good for the game has got rocks in their head. I see they ran first second and third in last weeks 2 year old event at Addington. We can look forward to yet another snorefest of the All Stars trifectering virtually every elite 2 and 3 year old feature race this season. You'd have to be nuts to invest in a young horse if it was not in the All Star stable. I also never get why people say other trainers should up their game, without the money and backing from wealthy owners or owners that can afford to pay for modern supplements and special treatments for their horses such as EPO the smaller stables will always be a few steps behind, anything decent coming through in smaller stables is quickly exported as those owners know they are pushing shit up hill racing against 3 or 4 in a big race from another stable. The only assimilation I can think of is a town with three dairys and then a Pak n Save moves in...... which shops are soon going to be out of business? And a big ask telling the dairys to up their game against a conglomerate!! ? 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Kidd Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 8 hours ago, Harewood said: So does the House have your resentment also in that he took all the crumbs as you put it. Or is that ok to smash the locals into submission when all they will ever race for is the crumbs. What is left after the crumbs. Just dust as all the local trainers give up and depart. Is that ok or do we look forward to fields just made up of House runners as there was in Auck the other night or Victoria or Tassie over the ditch. Interested in your comments without bring the All stars up as support as this today is on another level, a much higher one. No grass roots trotting = NO TROTTING. Perhaps you missed my point or I didn't make it clearly enough. I applaud the success House had yesterday. I also applauded Kenny Browne when he would take a team of jumpers all over NZ and the Myers stable etc when they do the same with their stable runners. It's not the numbers of wins that the All Stars have that I'm convinced is sucking the life and hope out of the industry , it's their complete dominance in virtually every big money feature race, especially for 2 and 3 year old horses. It's also the way they do it. Picking up the trifecta is the usual scenario. Nothing at all left for all the other owners and trainers. Their owners have the resources to knock everyone else out of the game and the race tactics adopted via numerical advantage ensure the result is a foregone conclusion. Having the best three horses in so many feature races is one thing. Having drivers of said runners all working together to gain dominant and controlling race position with the minimum of expended energy obliterates any alleged level playing field. Even on the rare occasion when things don't go their way in a race, they still seem to have so much in the tank they could race parked and still run away for yet another dominant win. The All Stars are slowly but surely removing hope for most others. When that happens it's inevitable that resentment will grow. Owners will stop investing and punters will not want to support total inequity. I'm incredulous at the comparison of Houses achievements at Manawatu harness with what the All Stars machine is doing month in month out. I don't envy success at all, even dominant success. The first time All Stars completely dominated NZ Cup day, I was among the first to sing their praises. Magnificent achievement. I didn't feel sorry for Olga Korbut's rivals at the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich when she won three Gold medals and dominated. Same applied with Mark Spitz when he won seven Golds in the pool at the same Olympics. I tip my hat to success but what the All Stars are doing and the way it's being done is no longer a positive in my view. For the record. My two most favourite race days of the year were NZ Cup day and The Jewels. I love big money races but I no longer look forward to those meetings as they have become just another day completely dominated by the All Stars machine. A machine far too big for NZ harness racing.....in my opinion. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 house was never much of a trainer but now is training a lot for the realestate agent and houses mrs was a vet too 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 12 hours ago, Joe Kidd said: I can't speak for others, but my resentment toward the All Stars is the fact they take virtually all the cream from the harness cake and leave the scraps for the rest. The meeting today was crumbs. When most folk look at buying a horse, they hope they will snap up a horse that goes on to be a top liner. The sad reality is, even if they happened to fluke a Franco Ice or The Bru Czar, they would still miss out on the cream as the All Stars would have multiple runners in the G1's and use their numerical advantage etc to squeeze you out and make sure the only owners smiling every week are All Stars owners. Anyone who thinks that's good for the game has got rocks in their head. I see they ran first second and third in last weeks 2 year old event at Addington. We can look forward to yet another snorefest of the All Stars trifectering virtually every elite 2 and 3 year old feature race this season. You'd have to be nuts to invest in a young horse if it was not in the All Star stable. See ya at this year's Jewels , Joe , as we take on the AS again, for another year. Oh , and bring some spare rocks with you.? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 hour ago, hunterthepunter said: house was never much of a trainer but now is training a lot for the realestate agent and houses mrs was a vet too What is the relevance of your 2 points about real estate and Vets to this discussion? Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Flagship uberalles said: I also never get why people say other trainers should up their game, without the money and backing from wealthy owners or owners that can afford to pay for modern supplements and special treatments for their horses such as EPO the smaller stables will always be a few steps behind, anything decent coming through in smaller stables is quickly exported as those owners know they are pushing shit up hill racing against 3 or 4 in a big race from another stable. The only assimilation I can think of is a town with three dairys and then a Pak n Save moves in...... which shops are soon going to be out of business? And a big ask telling the dairys to up their game against a conglomerate!! ? The EPO treatment you are referring to is the blood spinning technique to obtain protein concentrated serum for injection into their horses? Technically speaking that isn't EPO. Be careful what terms you use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 22 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: The EPO treatment you are referring to is the blood spinning technique to obtain protein concentrated serum for injection into their horses? Technically speaking that isn't EPO. Be careful what terms you use. Yes you are right chief EPO produces red blood cells, however "blood spinning" is a very expensive way to treat injuries and is out of a lot of owners price range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 12, 2019 Share Posted February 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Flagship uberalles said: Yes you are right chief EPO produces red blood cells, however "blood spinning" is a very expensive way to treat injuries and is out of a lot of owners price range. Thanks Flag. That stops the defamation police getting all up right. The treatment you are referring to is legal except within a certain time of the next race. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 3 hours ago, JJ Flash said: What is the relevance of your 2 points about real estate and Vets to this discussion? Greg big spending owner so mite see some younger horses being trained and learnt how to ready horses better with a mrs being a vet so what's your relevance at having a dig at my posts?? I'm say good on him for making effort to take horses north to race 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: big spending owner so mite see some younger horses being trained and learnt how to ready horses better with a mrs being a vet so what's your relevance at having a dig at my posts?? I'm say good on him for making effort to take horses north to race No dig its just some of your posts are hard to follow in terms of relevance. For instance most of his winners yesterday had different owners. As for his abilty as a trainer he seems to have done pretty well as far as i can see. 455 NZ winners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 Would be 4550 if he was working at the AllStars stable 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 11 hours ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: You will be pleased with the Wrightson Fillies Race 6 at Addington Happy? To be honest, I am happy from a punting perspective when there is no all stars horse in the race. Suits my betting style. As for race 6, there are some pretty average horses running for 150k but I suppose that is part and parcel of the yearling sales system. At least someone is going to go home happy other than the all stars and at least all of those owners and trainers think they have a slim chance at least. Unlike if there was an all stars in there who would be paying $1.20 150k races are rare. It is just a shame open class horses have to race for very similar amounts as maidens and I suppose that is why no one wants their horses going up the grades too quickly. Maybe the stakes have to be graduated to encourage horses to win and move up the ratings. Probably unaffordable though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted February 13, 2019 Share Posted February 13, 2019 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Would be 4550 if he was working at the AllStars stable darksiders only want there to be one trainer in this country and to take all the spoils that's why so many horses are being sold off 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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