Newmarket Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 They have pulled horses from Jewels. Stated that Sir Tiger was going as fast as he could, then Purdon runners found another gear? Mile rate 1.53? Its suspicious, that not just one of the stable in this race can go this time, but both 1st and second? 3rd and 4th went great time too! I know, rest of field average, but if you look at the night, stable put in some very huge runs? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 40 minutes ago, Newmarket said: They have pulled horses from Jewels. Stated that Sir Tiger was going as fast as he could, then Purdon runners found another gear? Mile rate 1.53? Its suspicious, that not just one of the stable in this race can go this time, but both 1st and second? 3rd and 4th went great time too! I know, rest of field average, but if you look at the night, stable put in some very huge runs? What are you saying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 53 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: What are you saying? Im thinking what a lot of others are thinking. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 Reality is as I have said many times, owners and trainers are over it! Owners are going to disappear and new ones not coming thru! Most people know that it is far more than so-called being more professional, end of storey! Harness is doomed, doomed I say, if this domination of major races continues!!!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double R Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Reality is as I have said many times, owners and trainers are over it! Owners are going to disappear and new ones not coming thru! Most people know that it is far more than so-called being more professional, end of storey! Harness is doomed, doomed I say, if this domination of major races continues!!!! Hi Brodie, As I have said in another thread, new owners are still coming in. Yes the Allstars are dominating the big races, but this season there are 240 harness meetings, and by the end of the season, the Allstars will win the equivalent of 13 full meetings. Of course, their stake money won will be very healthy, as they target the big races with multiple horses. Most of us realistic owners know we are probably not going to get a horse to compete at the highest levels, so there is going to be over 2000 other races over the season, where we are going to be competitive, to generate our thrills and enjoyment for the sport. Who knows one day our dreams might come true, and we will get a good horse. Cheers. Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Double R said: Hi Brodie, As I have said in another thread, new owners are still coming in. Yes the Allstars are dominating the big races, but this season there are 240 harness meetings, and by the end of the season, the Allstars will win the equivalent of 13 full meetings. Of course, their stake money won will be very healthy, as they target the big races with multiple horses. Most of us realistic owners know we are probably not going to get a horse to compete at the highest levels, so there is going to be over 2000 other races over the season, where we are going to be competitive, to generate our thrills and enjoyment for the sport. Who knows one day our dreams might come true, and we will get a good horse. Cheers. Robert. Hi Robert. Yes there are plenty of races that the AllStars horses don’t compete in. A helluva lot in the North Island Apart from the group races and Premier nights. Do you really believe that owners in Canterbury want to be racing their horses at Palmy ? Most owners want to own a horse capable of at least being able to repay part of the training costs, which today are rather sizeable! I do not beleive there are many new owners coming thru in Canterbury at all, unless they are in a syndicate! Why would you be bothered if you weren’t from an existing harness background, as there is certainly no money in it for you! Reality is that the industry is struggling big time, and is only being held together by diehard owners and enthusiasts, and as they move on, they are not going to be replaced at all, by the next generation unfortunately. The Jewels is once again going to be dominated by the one stable, we all know that! Yes there will be some that are going to be promoting it as being fantastic and we will get the same BS leading up to it. We will then watch as the one stable win everything and the same owners are shown jumping up and down with excitement, and the other owners will be happy to have had a Starter on Jewels day. The unfortunate thing is that they had very little chance of winning the first or second stake money! Some may disagree, but I can tell you now, it is reality and it can not carry on I definitely. Articles such as we had on The Box Seat in the last couple of weeks has done nothing to dispel the truth! Showing a mad scientist playing around with blood in syringes in a lab, just shows that all is not equal in the training ranks, despite what they say!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Double R said: Hi Brodie, As I have said in another thread, new owners are still coming in. Yes the Allstars are dominating the big races, but this season there are 240 harness meetings, and by the end of the season, the Allstars will win the equivalent of 13 full meetings. Of course, their stake money won will be very healthy, as they target the big races with multiple horses. Most of us realistic owners know we are probably not going to get a horse to compete at the highest levels, so there is going to be over 2000 other races over the season, where we are going to be competitive, to generate our thrills and enjoyment for the sport. Who knows one day our dreams might come true, and we will get a good horse. Cheers. Robert. Great post Robert, time after time trainers other than C Waller accepted in Winx's races. Surely NZ harness trainers are not that defeatist about taking on Allstars Greg Edited May 21, 2019 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 more and more horses going to be sold about time HRNZ wakeup and do something were is Kenny 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Great post Robert, time after time trainers other than C Waller accepted in Winx's races. Surely NZ harness trainers are not that defeatist about taking on Allstars Greg Greg, surely that comment is in jest? Yes Winx won everytime, and won huge stakemoney. I am not a follower of Gallops at all, however the races that Winx won was not dominated by the one stable plundering all the major stakes!!! The galloping races were for massive money and even running in the first 5 or so returned the owners good money! The fact that Winx dominated every race she was in also massively affected the size of the fields that she was in as well! There are so many great stake money races as well in Oz that the trainers can send their horses to a different state to race to avoid Winx!! Winx publicity was great for galloping Racing in Oz, whereas the dominance of the one STABLE in harness racing in NZ is to its detriment, in many ways! You need to take your parochial blinkers off and see what is actually happening! Edited May 21, 2019 by Brodie 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 2 minutes ago, Brodie said: Greg, surely that comment is in jest? Yes Winx won everytime, and won huge stakemoney. I am not a follower of Gallops at all, however the races that Winx won was not dominated by the one stable plundering all the major stakes!!! The galloping races were for massive money and even running in the first 5 or so returned the owners good money! The fact that Winx dominated every race she was in also massively affected the size of the fields that she was in as well! There are so many great stake money races as well in Oz that the trainers can send their horses to a different state to race to avoid Winx!! Winx publicity was great for galloping Racing in Oz, whereas the dominance of the one STABLE in harness racing in NZ is to its detriment, in many ways! You need to take your parochial blinkers off and see what is actually happening! You took the word's out of my mouth Brodie, every Saturday race in Sydney and Melbourne on a Saturday is worth $100,000 plus plenty of good value races to keep all trainers/owners happy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted May 21, 2019 Author Share Posted May 21, 2019 Whats happening with this site? Ads popping up all over the place, girls wanting me to talk to them with credit card details? FFS, dont they know this happens every day at home!! Hardly enticing 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 3 hours ago, Double R said: Who knows one day our dreams might come true, and we will get a good horse. I'm hoping one we qualified recently will prove to be a good horse ....... and we can sell it to the All Stars. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double R Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 46 minutes ago, Brodie said: Greg, surely that comment is in jest? Yes Winx won everytime, and won huge stakemoney. I am not a follower of Gallops at all, however the races that Winx won was not dominated by the one stable plundering all the major stakes!!! The galloping races were for massive money and even running in the first 5 or so returned the owners good money! The fact that Winx dominated every race she was in also massively affected the size of the fields that she was in as well! There are so many great stake money races as well in Oz that the trainers can send their horses to a different state to race to avoid Winx!! Winx publicity was great for galloping Racing in Oz, whereas the dominance of the one STABLE in harness racing in NZ is to its detriment, in many ways! You need to take your parochial blinkers off and see what is actually happening! Hi Brodie, It is not uncommon for Chris Waller to win all the group races on a programme. As I have stated previously, I choose to spend my leisure dollars on owning horses, and over 47 years would be way down on what I have spent, but it is my interest, and for many others, and the thrill of winning a race anywhere is indescribable, Palmerston North, Forbury or Addington. I will continue to support my sport to ensure it lives on long after I have gone. Cheers. Robert. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) Your contributions are always valuable. As I say I don’t follow Gallops,in Oz or NZ nowadays. I did when I was a lot younger but too hard to follow form and racing not that exciting in my humble opinion. Chris Waller May well dominate group races, but I am sure it is not the same owners that are scooping the stakes, plus there are so many more races and opportunities for horses to be placed for good money. In NZ any race with good stakes are gobbled up by the one stable and same owners! I appreciate that those owners throw a lot of money into their horses and training bills, and therefore would want a return from it! However, does it make a happy place for all the other owners who also spend plenty owning and racing horses, and get a paltry return? No it doesn’t, and is it detrimental to the harness industry? Anyone with a business brain and is open minded knows that the answer is YES!! Edited May 21, 2019 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double R Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 17 minutes ago, Brodie said: Your contributions are always valuable. As I say I don’t follow Gallops,in Oz or NZ nowadays. I did when I was a lot younger but too hard to follow form and racing not that exciting in my humble opinion. Chris Waller May well dominate group races, but I am sure it is not the same owners that are scooping the stakes, plus there are so many more races and opportunities for horses to be placed for good money. In NZ any race with good stakes are gobbled up by the one stable and same owners! I appreciate that those owners throw a lot of money into their horses and training bills, and therefore would want a return from it! However, does it make a happy place for all the other owners who also spend plenty owning and racing horses, and get a paltry return? No it doesn’t, and is it detrimental to the harness industry? Anyone with a business brain and is open minded knows that the answer is YES!! Hi Brodie, It is not about the money for most, it their interest. We all have our opinions, and no one is making us taking shares in horses, and you are obviously not losing money through ownership, so will use your discretionary dollar more productively for your benefit. Cheers. Robert. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Double R said: Hi Brodie, It is not about the money for most, it their interest. We all have our opinions, and no one is making us taking shares in horses, and you are obviously not losing money through ownership, so will use your discretionary dollar more productively for your benefit. Cheers. Robert. Appreciate it that for many it isn’t about the money! However, unless you have a successful business or big savings, you won’t be buying harness horses and racing them. The average wage earner can not afford to pay training bills of at least $2000 per month racing a horse, unless they are in With others. I want people to own horses, so that racing can continue. Have owned horses over the years and still have a small interest, which has been going pretty well! Edited May 21, 2019 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double R Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Brodie said: Appreciate it that for many it isn’t about the money! However, unless you have a successful business or big savings, you won’t be buying harness horses and racing them. The average wage earner can not afford to pay training bills of at least $2000 per month racing a horse, unless they are in With others. I want people to own horses, so that racing can continue. Have owned horses over the years and still have a small interest, which has been going pretty well! There are not many single owners out there these days. One second in a rating 40 race at Alexandra Park for example, will pay your monthly training bill. I met a well known N.Z. Thoroughbred owner not so long ago, and has 30 horses in work around the world, and lost half a million dollars last year, but it is his choose to do that. Wishing you continuing good results with your horse. Cheers. Robert. Edited May 21, 2019 by Double R 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 2 hours ago, Newmarket said: Ads popping up all over the place, girls wanting me to talk to them with credit card details? Well, you are not punting on harness anymore so you might as well use your discretionary income on the girls instead....but will you know the girl is more genuine in her efforts than the last horse you backed....? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Garrick Knight, a man very much in tune with the vibe of harness, seems to agree about the All-Stars effect. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Garrick Knight, a man very much in tune with the vibe of harness, seems to agree about the All-Stars effect. Really, what chance do small owners/stables have when they have this domination.....looks like the trotters racing at the jewels will be where the competition is! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 6 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said: Really, what chance do small owners/stables have when they have this domination A Japanese fighter plane springs to mind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Have owned horses over the years and still have a small interest, which has been going pretty well! Witches of Westview?....you really need to stop the cross-dressing, Brods. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 no money to be made in syndicate horses to many owners Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Appreciate it that for many it isn’t about the money! However, unless you have a successful business or big savings, you won’t be buying harness horses and racing them. The average wage earner can not afford to pay training bills of at least $2000 per month racing a horse, unless they are in With others. I want people to own horses, so that racing can continue. Have owned horses over the years and still have a small interest, which has been going pretty well! C, mon Brods, a lot of people are investing in running Harness horses. Every horse you see running at every meeting has an owner/owners. Have they given up, or been talked out of it, God forbid they listen to you. I shall give you a rope to hang yourself with your outlook on the state of NZ harness. Bit hypocritical slagging ownership and then owning up to be an owner.?. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 12 hours ago, Newmarket said: Im thinking what a lot of others are thinking. jewels day has become more of a joke day feel sorry for all honest owners and trainers putting up with all bullsit no wonder all the withdrawals in some of the races 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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