Newmarket Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Wow, that jockey was lucky. Just watching another race in nz, rider clipped heels, lost irons?? Terrible look these average jockeys, in nz per race numbers starters compared to aus, we have far more jockeys and horses falling!! Come on , sort it out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barryb Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 3 hours ago, Newmarket said: we have far more jockeys and horses falling!! Come on , sort it out Really? where did you find the stats on this?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbles Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 Crickey deek that looked horrible.By the sounds of things he has got a chipped tooth and a broken thumb. Take a lotto ticket youngfella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted November 9, 2019 Share Posted November 9, 2019 29 minutes ago, mumbles said: Crickey deek that looked horrible.By the sounds of things he has got a chipped tooth and a broken thumb. Take a lotto ticket youngfella. I reckon. Looked awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aquaman Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 On 9/11/2019 at 3:32 PM, Newmarket said: Wow, that jockey was lucky. Just watching another race in nz, rider clipped heels, lost irons?? Terrible look these average jockeys, in nz per race numbers starters compared to aus, we have far more jockeys and horses falling!! Come on , sort it out You are so right. And you don't need stats to realise this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted November 10, 2019 Author Share Posted November 10, 2019 On 9/11/2019 at 7:15 PM, barryb said: Really? where did you find the stats on this?. My stats. I watch far more aus racing than nz racing, but the interference in nz racing is shocking. So many inexperienced jockeys, both from here and overseas, are doing the game no good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 Inexperienced- or inept - tuition and policing, too. IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 (edited) One of the worst falls I've ever seen...and simply miraculous he came out alive let alone minimal damage... Theres no doubt things have improved with NGH on Board now....then you've got Walsh down South... ...but without an establishment like Sth Africa's Apprentice School its always going to be a risky business... more so than it needs to be... Edited November 10, 2019 by Thomass 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 yeah but M McNab and R Jones both got lengthy suspensions in the last week for causing falls. So its not just apprentices, the standard of riding-apart from about 6 senior jocks-in NZ is atrocious. 'Warnings' don't cut the mustard, piss weak RIU, especially Oathum, and j.c.a. who get sucked in by RIU are partly to blame. Just have to look across the ditch, they don't do anybody any favours. Can't be buddies with riders and do the job properly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted November 10, 2019 Share Posted November 10, 2019 12 minutes ago, Kopia said: yeah but M McNab and R Jones both got lengthy suspensions in the last week for causing falls. So its not just apprentices, the standard of riding-apart from about 6 senior jocks-in NZ is atrocious. 'Warnings' don't cut the mustard, piss weak RIU, especially Oathum, and j.c.a. who get sucked in by RIU are partly to blame. Just have to look across the ditch, they don't do anybody any favours. Can't be buddies with riders and do the job properly. ..and McNab's was overdue, he has been pushing the boundaries down here with no penalty. Well deserved - IMO. The difference is, of course, that some of the apprentices steer badly either through lack of ability/strength, or lack of tactical appreciation. The seniors mentioned above know full well what they do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 23 hours ago, Newmarket said: My stats. I watch far more aus racing than nz racing, but the interference in nz racing is shocking. So many inexperienced jockeys, both from here and overseas, are doing the game no good. In this case it wasn't Asvin's fault but a very senior Jockey with a poor record Submission For Penalty: Mr Williamson said that Mr Jones had 3 previous breaches under this Rule in the last 12 months from 148 race day rides and said this was an average record. He said there was a little bit of movement from DE KONING but Mr Jones put Mr Goindasamy in restricted room which resulted in a fall. He referred to the JCA Penalty Guide which recommends a starting point of 4 weeks for careless riding causing a fall. He said there were no aggravating factors but some mitigating factors. Mr Jones said that any proposed suspension could start immediately. He advised the Committee that it took him 1 hour to decide to plead guilty to the charge. He said he would have liked another opinion but wanted the charge heard today. He asked the Committee to take into account the mitigating factors and added that when he shifted in he thought there was room to do so. Reasons For Penalty: The Committee carefully considered all the evidence and submissions presented. When reviewing the video footage we observed that Mr Jones looked to his inside when shifting inwards in a gradual manner. We found that Mr Jones permitted his mount to shift in 1 horse width when only 1 length clear of JUST TREASURE. As a result that runner was placed in restricted room, clipped a heel and blundered dislodging Mr Goindasamy. The consequential effects of the fall was that 4 trailing horses made contact with Mr Goindasamy. It was extremely fortunate that the injuries Mr Goindasamy suffered were not more severe given the circumstances of the fall. We note that following the incident which occurred shortly after the finish line on the first occasion the race was abandoned due to further safety concerns after Mr Goindasamy was unable to be moved. The obligation and responsibility is upon Mr Jones in that a horse crossing another horse must be at least its own length and one other clear length in front of such other horse at the time of crossing. This Rule is designed to protect the safety of horses and riders which is paramount. In our opinion the movement from DE KONING was very minor and we adopted the view that DE KONING did not contribute to the incident. In addition TIPPING POINT was racing in a 3 wide position and we were fully satisfied that it did not contribute to the incident. It was significant to note that when the fall occurred there was a clear gap between DE KONING, KATIE PERRIE and TIPPING POINT with all runners racing free from interference. The JCA Penalty Guide starting point for careless riding causing a fall is 4 weeks which we adopted. We deemed Mr Jones’ record to be substandard for a senior rider. We base this on the fact that this was his 4th careless riding breach from only 148 rides in the last 12 months. This is an aggravating factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 Any news on the horse that fell at banks peninsula. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted November 11, 2019 Share Posted November 11, 2019 56 minutes ago, Shad said: Any news on the horse that fell at banks peninsula. Initially, the opinion was a fractured fetlock. But given the difficulty in being precise with all the swelling and inflammation, a definitive diagnosis hasn't been easy. Last I heard was that the mare was having more scans/x-rays, with the thought tending towards a forearm fracture. She's at Canterbury Equine Clinic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Thanks for that, hopefully she can pull through and be saved as a brood mare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 I gather forearm fracture is the decision....3 months box rest, and a chance she might race again if recovery good. She's by Tavistock so has a future regardless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted November 12, 2019 Share Posted November 12, 2019 Fingers crossed for her, has showed some ability, that for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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