Happy Sunrise Posted December 9, 2019 Share Posted December 9, 2019 Leo O'Reilly is only going to be spoken to about not driving his horse out and it gets nutted for 4th in the last race at Methven. I would think with the large pools happening in First 4s these days that it would deserve more than a speaking to. While recently, Mark Purdon gets $300 for his effort on Show Day and Geoff Martin get 12 months for his effort on Danke a few years ago. Where is the consistency in the application of 868 (2)? What happened to protecting the punters and their money? Seems like the stipes are more concerned about punishing 'the look' of excessive whip use than drivers actually trying to get the best placing they can. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 13 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Leo O'Reilly is only going to be spoken to about not driving his horse out and it gets nutted for 4th in the last race at Methven. I would think with the large pools happening in First 4s these days that it would deserve more than a speaking to. While recently, Mark Purdon gets $300 for his effort on Show Day and Geoff Martin get 12 months for his effort on Danke a few years ago. Where is the consistency in the application of 868 (2)? What happened to protecting the punters and their money? Seems like the stipes are more concerned about punishing 'the look' of excessive whip use than drivers actually trying to get the best placing they can. It is piss poor happy, with out the punters cash the sport goes back to gypsies racing each other on the main road for a case of beer. It is no wonder punters have no faith in the system. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) Only Watched race 2 today at Palmy as meeting wasn’t that inspiring. However with 2 minutes to go the win and place tote pools both had approx$2,700 invested in them! When the stake money for the race was $9k it is showing that Central Disticts harness racing is totally stuffed and is only being semi held together by Michael House’s number of horses. Unfortunately there are so many Harness Racing clubs that are on lifelines that are not going to last forever, and future for these clubs is terminal when there is bigger all punting going on! Auckland stuffed, Forbury stuffed, Palmy stuffed and I am sure there are many clubs that will be folding in the next five years max. The TAB isn’t really worried as they make the most money on sports betting and if harness disappeared they wouldn’t be crying! Edited December 10, 2019 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Only Watched race 2 today at Palmy as meeting wasn’t that inspiring. However with 2 minutes to go the win and place tote pools both had approx$2,700 invested in them! When the stake money for the race was $9k it is showing that Central Disticts harness racing is totally stuffed and is only being semi held together by Michael House’s number of horses. Unfortunately there are so many Harness Racing clubs that are on lifelines that are not going to last forever, and future for these clubs is terminal when there is bigger all punting going on! Auckland stuffed, Forbury stuffed, Palmy stuffed and I am sure there are many clubs that will be folding in the next five years max. The TAB isn’t really worried as they make the most money on sports betting and if harness disappeared they wouldn’t be crying! I think the reason the pools are so small at Palmerston north is because the form is so hard to follow and the driving inconsistent,with no real scrutiny by officialdom. Add to that the Michael house factor where he brings so many new horses to the meetings who's form is so hard to asses in their first runs for the stable. Its best to just follow blair orange and house but the dividends offer no value. I had a theory that you put a line through anything the commentator labels as his better bets of the day. He's helped me out a few times in that respect as I often picked the same as he did prior to finding out his selections.I no longer bet there anyway for the earlier reasons I gave. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Brodie said: Only Watched race 2 today at Palmy as meeting wasn’t that inspiring. However with 2 minutes to go the win and place tote pools both had approx$2,700 invested in them! When the stake money for the race was $9k it is showing that Central Disticts harness racing is totally stuffed and is only being semi held together by Michael House’s number of horses. Unfortunately there are so many Harness Racing clubs that are on lifelines that are not going to last forever, and future for these clubs is terminal when there is bigger all punting going on! Auckland stuffed, Forbury stuffed, Palmy stuffed and I am sure there are many clubs that will be folding in the next five years max. The TAB isn’t really worried as they make the most money on sports betting and if harness disappeared they wouldn’t be crying! Harness racing is in decline globally, its not just at those venues Brodie. its a sunset industry and for it to continue it will need to be subsidised by Sports betting and the Canterbury/Southland operations to give it some semblance of relevancy. Greg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 28 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Harness racing is in decline globally, its not just at those venues Brodie. its a sunset industry and for it to continue it will need to be subsidised by Sports betting and the Canterbury/Southland operations to give it some semblance of relevancy. Greg Think you are right Greg. Sad but reality, and from the comments on the thoroughbred side, no different with the gallops. Personally, never been able to understand why gallops has been more popular with people, as gallops racing is very boring compared to harness lol. Hopefully things can be maintained enough for participants to remain in the industry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted December 10, 2019 Share Posted December 10, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Think you are right Greg. Sad but reality, and from the comments on the thoroughbred side, no different with the gallops. Personally, never been able to understand why gallops has been more popular with people, as gallops racing is very boring compared to harness lol. Hopefully things can be maintained enough for participants to remain in the industry Quite the opposite IMHO, TB's are going gangbusters globally. Struggling a bit here due to low stakes. Harness sales from here are either Australia or USA for better horses. Compare that to TB's where sales are to: Australia,US UK,and all the Asian nations including China. TB's are simply more popular with fans as its a global sport and its what gamblers like to bet on, look no further than Hong Kong Harness has always been the poor relation of TB's just look at the yearling sales results and its minimal coverage over the country. Not sure that AI has been a great success for the code either given it reduces choice for breeder automatically even though it supposedly lowers breeders costs. Greg Edited December 10, 2019 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 7 hours ago, JJ Flash said: Quite the opposite IMHO, TB's are going gangbusters globally. Struggling a bit here due to low stakes. Harness sales from here are either Australia or USA for better horses. Compare that to TB's where sales are to: Australia,US UK,and all the Asian nations including China. TB's are simply more popular with fans as its a global sport and its what gamblers like to bet on, look no further than Hong Kong Harness has always been the poor relation of TB's just look at the yearling sales results and its minimal coverage over the country. Not sure that AI has been a great success for the code either given it reduces choice for breeder automatically even though it supposedly lowers breeders costs. Greg Yes I was talking about gallops here in NZ rather than globally. From the thoroughbred side, I am sure it is almost impossible to make money racing a galloper as the training costs have always been much higher than harness. Why do people like watching the gallops rather than harness?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, Brodie said: Why do people like watching the gallops rather than harness?? Ive heard a range of answers to that over the years, they: go faster,market themselves better ,its an historical matter as that's where racing/gambling begun etc. Ones professional, the other amateur in many respects. Im sure other posters will have other reasons TB's as a rule , and this is my opinion only, are far better run from a governance perspective, They have better geographical coverage and thus greater consistency in the eyes of punters who to my mind are the key indicator of the success or otherwise of the respective codes. Turnover figures dont lie and TB's are way higher than SB in al respects Greg Edited December 11, 2019 by JJ Flash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: Ive heard a range of answers to that over the years, they: go faster,market themselves better ,its an historical matter as that's where racing/gambling begun etc. Ones professional, the other amateur in many respects. Im sure other posters will have other reasons TB's as a rule , and this is my opinion only, are far better run from a governance perspective, They have better geographical coverage and thus greater consistency in the eyes of punters who to my mind are the key indicator of the success or otherwise of the respective codes. Turnover figures dont lie and TB's are way higher than SB in al respects Greg Watching gallops is not overly exciting though, as you only pick them up from around the 200 metre mark and then it can be hard to spot the one you have backed. Very little action compared to harness, but then different strokes for different folks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 11, 2019 Share Posted December 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Watching gallops is not overly exciting though, as you only pick them up from around the 200 metre mark and then it can be hard to spot the one you have backed. i am sure the gallops are televised these days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 5 hours ago, Rangatira said: i am sure the gallops are televised these days I am talking about being on Course! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Badger Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 Brodie spec savers have specials on the moment, and you can pick up cheap binoculars at the $2 shop. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Badger said: Brodie spec savers have specials on the moment, and you can pick up cheap binoculars at the $2 shop. Not much wrong with my eyes Badger! Just saying if you are watching gallops there is buggerall action until the last 200m in most races Being so far away from the public, hard to pick up the horse you have backed. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Brodie said: Watching gallops is not overly exciting though, as you only pick them up from around the 200 metre mark and then it can be hard to spot the one you have backed. Very little action compared to harness, but then different strokes for different folks! The numbers suggest otherwise Brodie re TB popularity and turnover figures. You clearly dislike the gallops and have blinkers on re their obvious gambling and attendance popularity versus harness. Thats your choice but didn't you say you dont bet now in NZ because of all the historical issues you have with NZTAB so why continue the discussion in terms of the gambling side of things. Or Have you changed codes in terms of betting into the bigger pools? Greg Edited December 12, 2019 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 4 hours ago, Badger said: Brodie spec savers have specials on the moment, and you can pick up cheap binoculars at the $2 shop. suitable for investors Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: suitable for investors are they yours rabbit?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 52 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: are they yours rabbit?????? no no no not suitable for gamblers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 13 hours ago, JJ Flash said: The numbers suggest otherwise Brodie re TB popularity and turnover figures. You clearly dislike the gallops and have blinkers on re their obvious gambling and attendance popularity versus harness. Thats your choice but didn't you say you dont bet now in NZ because of all the historical issues you have with NZTAB so why continue the discussion in terms of the gambling side of things. Or Have you changed codes in terms of betting into the bigger pools? Greg Brodie is well of gallops being popular with more people than Harness! You are right, that I am not a big fan of watching gallops as not overly exciting, even though ai used to go to Riccarton many years ago. As for investing on harness racing,I haven’t had one since the TAB accused us all of being potential money launderers or financing terrorism acts! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Brodie said: As for investing on harness racing,I haven’t had one since the TAB accused us all of being potential money launderers or financing terrorism acts! Thats your rather negative opinion on the matter, which your perfectly entitled to. Judging by the numbers your pretty much alone, in fact i have heard that TAB accounts have seen a new found popularity and enhanced activity in recent times post NZRB. I was somewhat surprised but know from watching friends that they are betting more and a lot of it has to do with the bonus bets promos Greg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Brodie said: As for investing on harness racing,I haven’t had one since the TAB accused us all of being potential money launderers or financing terrorism acts! complete and utter nonsense, easily your best to date and there has been some doozies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 12, 2019 Share Posted December 12, 2019 29 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: I was somewhat surprised but know from watching friends that they are betting more and a lot of it has to do with the bonus bets promos bonus bets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Rangatira said: complete and utter nonsense, easily your best to date and there has been some doozies Ranga, glad you think That I have good work. Not sure why it is, but just dating the facts!! The reason given for the $1000 rule was to control money laundering thru racing and stop punters financing terrorism! Edited December 13, 2019 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 11 minutes ago, Brodie said: Not sure why it is, but just dating the facts!! better if you found some facts and stated them hope your dates are hotties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nowornever Posted December 13, 2019 Share Posted December 13, 2019 58 minutes ago, Rangatira said: better if you found some facts and stated them hope your dates are hotties I believe this sums up Brodies response to the TAB and to those asking for facts on his unsubstantiated claims. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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