Rusty Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 It's been said before, more than once, it's nothing new, but just take a moment to consider this.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rusty Posted January 6, 2020 Author Share Posted January 6, 2020 And please note, I've never been an All Stars basher, I just like good (fast) horses. Their stable tend to have the best horses. Or the better performing horses I should say. The prolonged dominance of the stable is starting to get me worried after reflecting on that statistic however. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harewood Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 53 minutes ago, Rusty said: It's been said before, more than once, it's nothing new, but just take a moment to consider this.... What a completly misleading statement. What this would have you believe is that each owner in the AS stable averaged this amount each month. What it actuelly means is the stable won 6 million in prize money and when trainers, drivers etc percentages are taken out is considerable less. It is then divided up amongst all the all stars owners. Sure some will have done very well but others just average and some very little. Why does a journalist of McCarthys standing write such rubbish. Sounds like a promontional add for a product that he is trying to sell. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 1 hour ago, Rusty said: It's been said before, more than once, it's nothing new, but just take a moment to consider this.... Why is it hard to believe? All Harness enthusiasts are well aware that the AllStars stables plunder the majority of the stake money in the big races. Can Mr McCarthy kindly publish what the monthly stake money won on average for all the other owners of horses raced outside of the AllStars stable? That would be far more beneficial going forward as to whether it is going to be worthwhile for new and existing owners to race a horse!!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 certainly their dominance has killed the top end of the sport the top 6 or 7 a.s horses are better than anything else combined in the country. ..what have we got in the north island star galleria, mach shard and tripple eight ...classy brigade and a.gs whitesocks in the south...there is no competition...owners would be mad not to sell for the right money overseas. I would love to see what percentage of money in group 1 races has gone to other stables/owners outside a.s in the last 5 years, at a guess 30% 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted January 6, 2020 Share Posted January 6, 2020 8 hours ago, Harewood said: What a completely misleading statement. So true. Why put in the 'owners'? He really does come out with some bollocks.The guy is not the sharpest knife in the drawer. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) Wonder if Mr McCarthy would also publicise what the costs on average per month was to be able to achieve that $500k? Edited January 7, 2020 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 34 minutes ago, Brodie said: Wonder if Mr McCarthy would also publicise what the costs on average per month was to be able to achieve that $500k? @dvdmacca on twitter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDWHITEMAN Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 36 minutes ago, Brodie said: Wonder if Mr McCarthy would also publicise what the costs on average per month was to be able to achieve that $500k? My good friend Brodie there is another side to this argument. Yes, many All Stars' owners would be doing well with stakes won. But many of their owners have numerous horses in training not just with Purdon/Rasmussen; many also are breeders. Take Trevor Casey for example. Yes, he's had some great horses like Lazarus, and his latest star Winterfell, so he would be doing well stake-wise and his trophy cabinet must be overflowing. Stent, another top horse owned by Trevor, was trained by Colin DeFilippi. Trevor also has horses with numerous other trainers, including Regan Todd, Graeme Anderson, Tony Herlihy, Barry Purdon and he also has horses trained in Australia. Trevor Casey is also a breeder and stands Sky Major at stud. Trevor Casey must spend thousands a month on training fees, vet fees, feed and breeding costs. He deserves all the success he gets!! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: My good friend Brodie there is another side to this argument. Yes, many All Stars' owners would be doing well with stakes won. But many of their owners have numerous horses in training not just with Purdon/Rasmussen; many also are breeders. Take Trevor Casey for example. Yes, he's had some great horses like Lazarus, and his latest star Winterfell, so he would be doing well stake-wise and his trophy cabinet must be overflowing. Stent, another top horse owned by Trevor, was trained by Colin DeFilippi. Trevor also has horses with numerous other trainers, including Regan Todd, Graeme Anderson, Tony Herlihy, Barry Purdon and he also has horses trained in Australia. Trevor Casey is also a breeder and stands Sky Major at stud. Trevor Casey must spend thousands a month on training fees, vet fees, feed and breeding costs. He deserves all the success he gets!! trev having a red hot go seems like top a fella and good for the game Edited January 7, 2020 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 31 minutes ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: My good friend Brodie there is another side to this argument. Yes, many All Stars' owners would be doing well with stakes won. But many of their owners have numerous horses in training not just with Purdon/Rasmussen; many also are breeders. Take Trevor Casey for example. Yes, he's had some great horses like Lazarus, and his latest star Winterfell, so he would be doing well stake-wise and his trophy cabinet must be overflowing. Stent, another top horse owned by Trevor, was trained by Colin DeFilippi. Trevor also has horses with numerous other trainers, including Regan Todd, Graeme Anderson, Tony Herlihy, Barry Purdon and he also has horses trained in Australia. Trevor Casey is also a breeder and stands Sky Major at stud. Trevor Casey must spend thousands a month on training fees, vet fees, feed and breeding costs. He deserves all the success he gets!! Whiteman, I appreciate Trevor spends plenty owning horses, but it doesn’t appear that he is starving though! 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
globederby12 Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 51 minutes ago, Brodie said: Whiteman, I appreciate Trevor spends plenty owning horses, but it doesn’t appear that he is starving though! You are missing the point Brodie. Wether or not the man is well heeled before or after the event matters not. He puts back into the Industry that he obviously loves,and good on him. Isn't that what all us owners are doing. ? From your statement one could deduce a certain envy because of his success,fueled no doubt by your ad infinitum comments on AS barn domination. And while Rusty does have a point , time will tell if the Industry is bought to its knees finally and all races will be contested by one stable. Till then we will continue to compete for that share of the pie, which I may add would have made a large dent in AS takings but for a little more racing luck. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 1 hour ago, globederby12 said: He puts back into the Industry that he obviously loves,and good on him. Isn't that what all us owners are doing. ? the brodster more into pillaging and plundering Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, globederby12 said: You are missing the point Brodie. Wether or not the man is well heeled before or after the event matters not. He puts back into the Industry that he obviously loves,and good on him. Isn't that what all us owners are doing. ? From your statement one could deduce a certain envy because of his success,fueled no doubt by your ad infinitum comments on AS barn domination. And while Rusty does have a point , time will tell if the Industry is bought to its knees finally and all races will be contested by one stable. Till then we will continue to compete for that share of the pie, which I may add would have made a large dent in AS takings but for a little more racing luck. Globe, nothing at all to do with being well heeled, and personally speaking we have got many heels!!! If he wants to put millions into the harness industry then that is his business and certainly never envious of anyone, don’t need to be! As for being envious of the AllStars stable, would wonder why that would be? Globe, the industry is haemorrhaging big time already and many people know this,. Edited January 7, 2020 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 5 hours ago, Brodie said: Wonder if Mr McCarthy would also publicise what the costs on average per month was to be able to achieve that $500k? Would not only leave one's head spinning but everything else too I would say ? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 hours ago, globederby12 said: time will tell if the Industry is bought to its knees finally The Get Out Stakes is already running for some. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 Well done brodie on your recent winner? Seems a handy horse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 3 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Well done brodie on your recent winner? Seems a handy horse Yeah got a few handy horses lol 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Yeah got a few handy horses lol Just need to improve my driving now! Edited January 7, 2020 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted January 7, 2020 Share Posted January 7, 2020 42 minutes ago, Brodie said: Just need to improve my driving now! those new prescription specs can only help brodster ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLDWHITEMAN Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 21 hours ago, Brodie said: Whiteman, I appreciate Trevor spends plenty owning horses, but it doesn’t appear that he is starving though! He does own a few restaurants my friend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 8, 2020 Share Posted January 8, 2020 3 hours ago, OLDWHITEMAN said: He does own a few restaurants my friend. No kidding Whiteman, that was the point!, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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