Kopia Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 'Dave and Karyn Ellis Classic?? WTF? Whats happened to any reference to probably the greatest stallion NZ has ever seen? The flow on effect from Sir Tristram has been enormous...and so what do we get after the Cambridge Stud Sir Tristram Classic? Jeeze, self glory has plummeted to a new low. Is this the best they could do? What about poor old sir T, what about the Lindsays, have they all pulled out and left it to the egotists? Thanks Christ I'm in Aussie, and thats saying something! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Those who sponsor a race deserve our respect .For the sponsorship. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Yep those that cough up the dollars can put their name to anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 its incredibly wonderful,so fitting for NZ Racings royal couple ,its just so...so 'Trumpesque'...all done in the best ..possible ..taste!???? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 I'm afraid I'm a traditionalist....what's wrong with the ' Sir T Classic sponsored by........' 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 As long as we don't get the "Jacinda Ardern" classic. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 23 minutes ago, Ludwig said: As long as we don't get the "Jacinda Ardern" classic. or the Mad Butcher ..Steaks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted February 5, 2020 Author Share Posted February 5, 2020 3 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Yep those that cough up the dollars can put their name to anything. Including buying a race that was a Group2 ? What they've done is essentially creating a new race...so how come they've kept the Group 2 status? It just goes to show how corrupt and incestuous racing in NZ is..a club President can hijack a race, name it after herself and hubby and keep the Group status. No wonder nz racing is a joke to most countries in the world. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 The Warwick Stakes first ran in 1923. They changed the name in 2018 to the Winx Stakes. Still maintains its group status. Was actually upgraded to Grp 1 along with the name change. Many examples of name changes to Grp races in OZ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Shouldn't it really be named the Karyn Fenton Ellis, nee Bisdee, nee nee (neigh neigh) Fenton, David Ellis stakes or maybe The Narcissism special. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 Plus I think most races aren't actually sponsored anymore. The naming of the race is usually associated with some barter/contra deal involving having a function at the races. Given the people involved and their conflicts of interest I would suggest that the Club would be a net loser on the deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, Mark D said: Shouldn't it really be named the Karyn Fenton Ellis, nee Bisdee, nee nee (neigh neigh) Fenton, David Ellis stakes or maybe The Narcissism special. That's uncalled for and harsh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 24 minutes ago, Mark D said: Plus I think most races aren't actually sponsored anymore. The naming of the race is usually associated with some barter/contra deal involving having a function at the races. Given the people involved and their conflicts of interest I would suggest that the Club would be a net loser on the deal. Any proof? Or do you prefer to just slander? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 13 hours ago, Kopia said: 'Dave and Karyn Ellis Classic?? WTF? Whats happened to any reference to probably the greatest stallion NZ has ever seen? The flow on effect from Sir Tristram has been enormous...and so what do we get after the Cambridge Stud Sir Tristram Classic? Jeeze, self glory has plummeted to a new low. Is this the best they could do? What about poor old sir T, what about the Lindsays, have they all pulled out and left it to the egotists? Thanks Christ I'm in Aussie, and thats saying something! I'm reading this whilst eating my cereal and gagging repeatedly , seriously narcissistic . Perhaps a better option would have been " Dave and Karyn Classless " . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 What a lot of green eyes here -they should be congratulated for stepping up and sponsoring. David, affectionately termed Wee Willie Winkie [presumably for his habit of winking at the bid spotters] does a lot for racing . 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted February 5, 2020 Share Posted February 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Fred said: What a lot of green eyes here -they should be congratulated for stepping up and sponsoring. David, affectionately termed Wee Willie Winkie [presumably for his habit of winking at the bid spotters] does a lot for racing . Nothing to do with green eyes . Generally those of lesser egos tend to notice when those with larger egos get a little bit starry eyed about themselves . The Lyndsey's do it with class . A small lesson i got taught a long time ago , " Never promote yourself , promote what your doing ". 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 the Te Akau Valued Staff Classic....they always get a mention,not sure about a..payrise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 20 hours ago, holy ravioli said: or the Mad Butcher ..Steaks. It would be worse if he decided on the slogan his shops used. How does the " My Chopper's A Whopper Classic " sound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
All The Aces Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 So what race are you sponsoring this year Kopia? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 On 5/02/2020 at 9:27 PM, Ludwig said: As long as we don't get the "Jacinda Ardern" classic. Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kopia Posted February 6, 2020 Author Share Posted February 6, 2020 13 hours ago, All The Aces said: So what race are you sponsoring this year Kopia? I find this post interesting ' ace'.....were you pissed when you did it? I have the utmost respect for those who sponsor races, especially in NZ where the industry has been constantly let down, rorted, defrauded even by those supposedly running it. I've no intention of adding to those propping up an industry which is in a terminal condition...however Mr & Mrs Ellis appear to me, and plenty of others by the look of it, to be using a race of long standing tradition to further their own self aggrandizement....without any recognition of the history of the race. I can't imagine Sir Patrick will be amused, however that seems to be the way of the world nowadays. All The Aces? .....' read em' and weep I'd say'!? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomass Posted February 6, 2020 Share Posted February 6, 2020 You're a tuff marker koppa...and having a dickhead like the shru agreeing with you says it all... Moi's modi operandi...is to go straight to the sauce... Email your concerns to the Big Cheese...has Butch taken over yet? Or just Email Karyn directly....she still Chair there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Beau Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 12 hours ago, Thomass said: You're a tuff marker koppa...and having a dickhead like the shru agreeing with you says it all... Moi's modi operandi...is to go straight to the sauce... Email your concerns to the Big Cheese...has Butch taken over yet? Or just Email Karyn directly....she still Chair there? Why bother. In my opinion they are out of order to ride roughshod over the registered name of the race for their own huge egos. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 7, 2020 Share Posted February 7, 2020 13 hours ago, Dark Beau said: Why bother. In my opinion they are out of order to ride roughshod over the registered name of the race for their own huge egos. No one "rode roughshod" over anyone. Did you stop to think why Cambridge Stud didn't sponsor the race this year? From all accounts they chose not to. Given the rough year they have had I wouldn't be surprised that they are rethinking their whole marketing plan. It seems the Ellis's stepped up to the party and offered to sponsor the race and from what I've been told there was no "quid pro quo." With regard to the name change there are many examples where this has happened. Indeed the race in question had undergone name changes over the years. Can you remember what it was called before it was the Sir Tristram Fillies Classic? I know it then became the Cambridge Stud Sir Tristram Fillies Classic presumably because from a marketing perspective the addition of Cambridge Stud to the title had more relevance than just Sir Tristram. As for other examples the Bonecrusher Stakes was originally the Air New Zealand Stakes before becoming the New Zealand Stakes then the Mitchell's sponsorship kicked in. In Australia - the H.E. Tancred Stakes first run in 1963 became the BMW International Stakes, then The BMW Stakes, then the Mercedes then back to just the plain The BMW and now the Kia Tancred. The Hotham Stakes - 1869–1978 - Hotham Handicap 1979–1993 - The Dalgety 1994–1995 - Crown Quality 1996 - Ten News Stakes 1997 - Lean Cuisine Quality 1998–2008 - Saab Quality 2009–2018 - Lexus Stakes 2019 - Lexus Hotham Stakes The George Adams 1881–1918 - Coburg Stakes 1919–1961 - Cantala Stakes 1962–1984 - George Adams Handicap 1985–1988 - Ampol Stakes 1989–1992 - Honda Stakes 1993–1995 - Nissan Stakes 1996–1997 - Chrysler Stakes 1998–2015 - Emirates Stakes 2016 - Cantala Stakes 2017–2018 - Kennedy Mile 2019 - Kennedy Cantala The Mackinnon - 1869–1936 - Melbourne Stakes In 1937 the VRC moved the Melbourne Stakes to earlier in the spring, running it in September, over a shorter distance of 1 mile (1.6 km). The race was the predecessor to the Turnbull Stakes. 1937–2015 - LKS Mackinnon Stakes 2016–2017 - Emirates Stakes 2018 - Seppelt Mackinnon Stakes The Warwick Stakes became the Winx Stakes. So on and so on. The registered name won't change but good luck to those who cough up the dosh for sponsorship. They deserve a pat on the back not angst and unfounded aspersions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted February 8, 2020 Share Posted February 8, 2020 Legends Day 2020, sees the prominent raceday turn into a family affair with the three key races sponsored by ardent supporters of the Waikato Racing Club.The Dyke family have long been associated with New Zealand Richest Weight For Age, the $400,000 Herbie Dyke Sprint. Herbie was a past president and his influence on the Club has left a lasting legacy.Joining the Dyke Family on February 8th is Joan Egan, who’s boutique nursery Legacy Lodge will take the naming rights to the Group 2 Waikato Guineas and the Ellis family. Joan Egan has been associated with the Legacy Lodge Sprint held in November since 2013 and has proudly extended her sponsorship portfolio to include the Group 2 Waikato Guineas from 2020.David and Karyn Ellis have also increased their already significant support of the Club to take on the sponsorship of the Group 2 Fillies Classic as their own legacy race.When the prestigious race came up they jumped at the opportunity to support a Club that they have both given so much too. David being a member for over 30 years, a past Board Member and Chairman. Karyn currently holds the Chairmans position. Between the pair they have given nearly 35 years of administration service to the Waikato Racing Club.Karyn commented "it gives us both extraordinary pleasure to become the long-term sponsors of this iconic fillies' race. The Waikato Racing Club is a pivotal part of the vibrant Waikato racing scene and has a bright future ahead. This Group 2 fillies' race has always attracted Group 1 class fields and we are proud to be associated with it. It is a key player in the NZB Filly of the Year Series, such as racing and the Club itself have been a key part of both our lives. It was our strong wish to continue to support the Club long after our time on the Board has concluded.Always one to recognise the team that goes in to preparing these horses at the highest level, David and Karyn will gift the winning strapper $500 in lieu of a dress rug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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