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19 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said:

You are not au fait with his comments?

Let us see.

A couple of recent posts from P4P. I particularly find interesting this man. Neville Jenkins, who has 'blood on his hands from Blue Magic but apparently he wants more' 

Also The police are 'dumb as fuck' and someone called Kylie Selinger 'did this out of spite and presumably for revenge'

Is any of this libel?

But here is the kicker. You posted on this thread on Channel X after these comments so you must have read it. However, because you are weak and suck up to that kind over there you don't say anything. Where was your legal eagle eye in this case?

 

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C'mon JJ Flash, put your balls on the line and say whether you believe things written in the above posts (that you failed to say anything about) are factual or non factual  statements.

Maybe it is ok to say someone has and wants more blood on their hands compared to a comment like Mehe made in your world. What do you say?

 

Lol! I think JJ has to run away with his tail between his legs now!  doesnt say shit when its aucklands most hated libelous little jerk off! but suddenly becomes hanlon on here!  Dont think  he would have expected you to catch him out like that!

Now anything he says has no credibility, You've shown him to be just an attention seeking feeble hypocrite! who stands on his soapbox here, but ass licks and cowers on the other site for far worse.

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1 hour ago, JJ Flash said:

You do like to twist the narrative , Do i think they are all squeaky clean , no , like you there's always one or two bad apples in the bin. that means the rest are not so there is your answer.

To say they are all RIU staff are "dishonest" as you put it is plain nonsense, nobody here is supporting you with that notion not even the RIU's biggest hater " Longowner"

 

Greg

at your old tricks farty trying to twist your way out of it and put long owner in it 

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On 10/04/2020 at 6:44 PM, JJ Flash said:
  • Attempting to administer with another person a prohibited substance to Steel The Show.
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Back to the topic.....

Questions:

  1. Who alerted the media which led to the article being published in the ODT?
  2. McGrath is charged with attempting to administer a prohibited substance to Steel The Show.  By attempted it seems he didn't succeed.  What was the prohibited substance?  A bicarb milkshake?  If so, and assuming that it isn't the first time, what does that say about the TCO testing results?
  3. Assuming it wasn't bicarb - what was it?  Does it not show up in post race testing?
  4. How did the RIU have cause to run a covert operation against McGrath?  
  5. Were the RIU seeking revenge for their significant INCA failure?

 

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13 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Back to the topic.....

Questions:

  1. Who alerted the media which led to the article being published in the ODT?
  2. McGrath is charged with attempting to administer a prohibited substance to Steel The Show.  By attempted it seems he didn't succeed.  What was the prohibited substance?  A bicarb milkshake?  If so, and assuming that it isn't the first time, what does that say about the TCO testing results?
  3. Assuming it wasn't bicarb - what was it?  Does it not show up in post race testing?
  4. How did the RIU have cause to run a covert operation against McGrath?  
  5. Were the RIU seeking revenge for their significant INCA failure?

 

5 very intriguing questions, especially no 2, didnt realise the `attempting` bit!  not insignificant and depending on the answers to those 5 questions could legally give you a credible `witchunt defence`

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10 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Back to the topic.....

Questions:

  1. Who alerted the media which led to the article being published in the ODT?
  2. McGrath is charged with attempting to administer a prohibited substance to Steel The Show.  By attempted it seems he didn't succeed.  What was the prohibited substance?  A bicarb milkshake?  If so, and assuming that it isn't the first time, what does that say about the TCO testing results?
  3. Assuming it wasn't bicarb - what was it?  Does it not show up in post race testing?
  4. How did the RIU have cause to run a covert operation against McGrath?  
  5. Were the RIU seeking revenge for their significant INCA failure?

 

1)who knows but the late scratching of the 2 Mcgrath horses on the night and subsequently the very shortly thereafter transfer of horses to other stables may have something to do with possible media interest. Besides, why shouldn't they write an article?

2)Good questions. Last year i started a thread about the possible wasted resources being put into TCO2 testing.  I suggested they needed to direct more resources into other means of testing,liaising with customs,observations,etc. Thats if they were serious,but i don't think they ever have been(until recently).

Having said that If you look at the TCO2 readings they publish they do seem to be an indication of who they should be looking at more closely.

3&4)would be interesting to know,but  the main point is it's not the investigators fault that they discovered breaches of the rules,it was Mcgraths actions that led to that.

5)revenge for inca failure?  No matter how many times you say that doesn't make it true. Its still an ongoing case is it not. One thing that is clear is Mcgrath and his supporters played and continue to play a dumb game and its little surprise the attention they get.

As Happy has said,look at the rubbish P4P writes on the other site.His personal attacks are so counter productive to those he is supposed to support. 

In that respect when it comes to the criticism some were giving jj flash for not fully expressing his views on the other site. We all know that place is a totally one sided  echo chamber who simply discourage any opinions opposite and outside the handful driving most threads through banning and censoring comment. If you don't endorse what they have to say then your muzzled. This site allows opinions from both sides.

10 hours ago, whiplash smile said:

5 very intriguing questions, especially no 2, didnt realise the `attempting` bit!  not insignificant and depending on the answers to those 5 questions could legally give you a credible `witchunt defence`

Obviously Mcgrath was targeted.Thats the way it works when personalities are brought into it.  Personally i hope that if they have information about pre race tubing or the use of performance enhancers they target those people as well.   

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11 hours ago, the galah said:

1)who knows but the late scratching of the 2 Mcgrath horses on the night and subsequently the very shortly thereafter transfer of horses to other stables may have something to do with possible media interest. Besides, why shouldn't they write an article?

 

I wasn't questioning the fact that an article was published.  Just who passed on the information.  There is nothing on the HRNZ or RIU websites.

If it was the RIU then it displays yet more inconsistency in their policies.  How many thoroughbred drug positives have we seen with a total media blackout?

11 hours ago, the galah said:

2)Good questions. Last year i started a thread about the possible wasted resources being put into TCO2 testing.  I suggested they needed to direct more resources into other means of testing,liaising with customs,observations,etc. Thats if they were serious,but i don't think they ever have been(until recently).

Having said that If you look at the TCO2 readings they publish they do seem to be an indication of who they should be looking at more closely.

 

I reviewed the TCO reports and the last reading for Steel the Show was when the horse won on 1 December 2019.  The reading was 29.

If you can find a pattern in the TCO reports that indicate the need for further investigation then feel free to post your findings.  Having done a quick review myself I can see no pattern at all.

11 hours ago, the galah said:

3&4)would be interesting to know,but  the main point is it's not the investigators fault that they discovered breaches of the rules,it was Mcgraths actions that led to that.

 

The point I was making is what motivated or what information did the RIU have to initiate a covert operation?  Especially given that there have been no irregularities seen in post race drug testing.

 

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11 hours ago, the galah said:

5)revenge for inca failure?  No matter how many times you say that doesn't make it true. Its still an ongoing case is it not. One thing that is clear is Mcgrath and his supporters played and continue to play a dumb game and its little surprise the attention they get.

 

Well they did fail with INCA charges with regard to McGrath.  That is true.

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4 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

I reviewed the TCO reports and the last reading for Steel the Show was when the horse won on 1 December 2019.  The reading was 29.

 

 

 

Yes,looking at the published tco2 levels for mcgrath runners there is no pattern of elevated levels.  

That is why i say they put too many resources into pre race tco2 levels and would be more effective reducing the number of tests and using  their resources elsewhere.

More random pre race observations for example(without notification) and why not do more out of competition testing. Why don't the RIU just contract out  that type of work to investigators who could specialize in that area of racing.The people who observed Mcgrath may not be liked by some,but they do appear to have got a result which helped justify their actions.  If your doing nothing illegal to gain an advantage, then you would have nothing to worry about,would you.

Either you want a level playing field or not. As jeff gural often says,don't just pay lip service,actually do something.

 

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5 hours ago, the galah said:

Yes,looking at the published tco2 levels for mcgrath runners there is no pattern of elevated levels.  

That is why i say they put too many resources into pre race tco2 levels and would be more effective reducing the number of tests and using  their resources elsewhere.

More random pre race observations for example(without notification) and why not do more out of competition testing. Why don't the RIU just contract out  that type of work to investigators who could specialize in that area of racing.The people who observed Mcgrath may not be liked by some,but they do appear to have got a result which helped justify their actions.  If your doing nothing illegal to gain an advantage, then you would have nothing to worry about,would you.

Either you want a level playing field or not. As jeff gural often says,don't just pay lip service,actually do something.

 

so galah your saying he has high tco2 readings just had a look at the readings what a load of crap his readings are on the very low side  there was a vet down in south Canterbury in the late 80s Moffat and all south Canterbury horses had high readings back then

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7 hours ago, the galah said:

Yes,looking at the published tco2 levels for mcgrath runners there is no pattern of elevated levels.  

 

1 hour ago, hunterthepunter said:

so galah your saying he has high tco2 readings just had a look at the readings what a load of crap his readings are on the very low side 

 

LOL

are you all good kylie ?

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