No Excuse for the RIU to turn up! Look at their Covid-19 Subsidy!

[Chief Stipe]

[nomates]

3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

92 feckin employees , this in itself gives a window into how top heavy NZ racing is and how much money is thrown down the drain . Heart breaking for industry participants to see this .

[Chief Stipe]

I thought they had 33 full-time workers.  Are their part-time workers more full-time than we thought?

That is a subsidy of over $5k per person.

[Happy Sunrise]

9 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

compared to

They are roughly on the same wicket.

I want in. ?

[Al Feilding]

Nice if you can get it .

i’ll just shake my head thinking WTF.

[Chief Stipe]

[Happy Sunrise]

Hold on. I want to work for HRNZ

 

[Chief Stipe]

[Pasketti]

And they want drivers to take a cut on their driving fees what a cheek

[Chief Stipe]

Takes a lot of management to run greyhounds.....

[Freda]

Gravy trainers.  

[Chief Stipe]

So if we exclude the clubs.....total employees and subsidies for those that "manage" the industry:

786 employees!

Total subsidy:  $5,191,371

Note these figures don't include club employees!!!!

Nor contractors who have all been left to find their own subsidies (fair enough).

[nomates]

19 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

That's a disgraceful number of employees . NZ racing in all forms is not big enough to need this number of administration personnel .

[Trotsfan]

Does anyone have some figures on Aussie racing to compare how many employees they have in there 3 codes . the state of Victoria is similar size and population to us just a bit bigger so would be a good state to comare with us

[Chief Stipe]

8 minutes ago, Trotsfan said:

Does anyone have some figures on Aussie racing to compare how many employees they have in there 3 codes . the state of Victoria is similar size and population to us just a bit bigger so would be a good state to comare with us

Not quite a fair comparison.  Victoria has nearly 2 million more people.  70 thoroughbred tracks, 40 harness tracks and 14 greyhound tracks.

[Trotsfan]

okay so which ever state is closer in size to us then.

[Chief Stipe]

11 minutes ago, Trotsfan said:

okay so which ever state is closer in size to us then.

I think you are doing the wrong comparison.  Start from the basic metrics and work upward.  How many licensed participants do we have in each code?  How many official trials and race meetings do we have each week?  How many people do we need to service those meetings working on a 40 hour week?  Don't worry about travel.

[$ BILL]

Amazing

Can those at the top explain with any detail what all these employees do on a day to day basis ? Could somebody please ask the question. And what do they cost the industry daily/weekly/annually. You must be certain that it is an insane amount more than could be justified and many more times than income produced. Only one outcome BROKE. Don't worry Bernard and mates are ok. Bugger you lot that actually make the industry tick. CRAZY.

[Al Feilding]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

So if we exclude the clubs.....total employees and subsidies for those that "manage" the industry:

786 employees!

Total subsidy:  $5,191,371

Note these figures don't include club employees!!!!

Nor contractors who have all been left to find their own subsidies (fair enough).

A lot getting found out with the lockdown payouts, 

[nomates]

14 minutes ago, $ BILL said:

Amazing

Can those at the top explain with any detail what all these employees do on a day to day basis ? Could somebody please ask the question. And what do they cost the industry daily/weekly/annually. You must be certain that it is an insane amount more than could be justified and many more times than income produced. Only one outcome BROKE. Don't worry Bernard and mates are ok. Bugger you lot that actually make the industry tick. CRAZY.

Many , many people are dry in the mouth from asking these questions . Of the many veiled answers that are given this particular question for whatever reason never seems to gets a clear and adequate reply .

[holy ravioli]

as they say we are all Socialists now.

Top heavy administration,ramped up in the Stiassny years has gobbled up all the extra funding racing has received .

A sinecure that people are reluctant to let go of.

Over paid ,underperforming incompetents.

[Murray Fish]

5 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

as they say we are all Socialists now.

No!

If you were to use methodologies like that!  then you would Start at the point of Production. Nationalise the breeding process! these horses are 'given/balloted' out to 'pro trainers' to race!    Costs would come way way down!  

A question for you, it is true that the Most successful racing model currently in the world is also the 'most' Socialist? Hong Kong?

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

A question for you, it is true that the Most successful racing model currently in the world is also the 'most' Socialist? Hong Kong?

LOL you're kidding aren't you?  Have you ever done business in China?

[holy ravioli]

2 minutes ago, Murray Fish said:

No!

If you were to use methodologies like that!  then you would Start at the point of Production. Nationalise the breeding process! these horses are 'given/balloted' out to 'pro trainers' to race!    Costs would come way way down!  

A question for you, it is true that the Most successful racing model currently in the world is also the 'most' Socialist? Hong Kong?

supposedly ...Socialism according to self righteous 'Capitalists'...is 'spending OTHER PEOPLE'S money'!

Given that...the line up for gummint handouts is ...a lesson in..REALITY.

Honkers is part of  the PRC.

[Murray Fish]

Good thread CS.  it is in times of Crisis like these! when often  true insights can be brutally gleaned!!!! 

One of the good points about this current  'follow the money trail' subsidy.  is that it is nice and transparent!!!  YES!

I'm more interested  to see what actual 'good advise' to the Coalface has/is coming out of 'head office', practical I hope!

Is everyone actually getting what they entitled to!!