Brodie Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 1 minute ago, holy ravioli said: You don't know what you're talking about. The Nats are ramping up their standard dirty ops in election year and salivating fools like you lap it up. Holy Crap, what are you on? Had nothing to do with National at all!!!! It was leaked in a bunch of papers that has the Government making many stuff ups!!!!!!! You can follow anyone you want and believe what you want, your prerogative. If you have a job, hope you keep it! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Shyte I just read on the news what Brodie is referring to with regard to Aderns directives to her Ministers. Her actions reek of arrogance and inexperience. What's worse it is complete disrespect for the institutions, norms and rules of our democracy. I say that from a non partisan perspective and I'm sure there are pissed off people in Labour. Perhaps you've been asleep for the last 12 years....'a non partisan perspective'=hilarious. Expand on this instead of making generalisations.' it is complete disrespect for the institutions, norms and rules of our democracy.' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Brodie said: Geez Chief, we have so many sheep on here it isn’t funny, so I will have to give it a miss for awhile I think! NZ is in bigger trouble than I thought if there are all these followers. She can do no wrong!!!!!! were is your sheep mate the old poll Dorset brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 1 minute ago, Brodie said: Holy Crap, what are you on? Had nothing to do with National at all!!!! It was leaked in a bunch of papers that has the Government making many stuff ups!!!!!!! You can follow anyone you want and believe what you want, your prerogative. If you have a job, hope you keep it! 'leaked in a bunch of papers'...do me a favour! we know media in NZ is dominated by privately owned organisations who dance to their advertisers tune. They unashamedly promote the FIRE economy and right wing narratives with a daily assault of conditioning pulp. They’ve now dusted off notorious anti Labour mouth Paul Henry and given him his own show as an electioneering initiative. When I see how National demanded the removal of socialist commentators and were readily obliged it makes you wonder what on earth the rightwing fanbois of the world base their prejudice on! Journalists shitting themselves over employment ,especially the print ones are anti Govt. Thank goodness for the rise of online sources of real information,vital to a democracy the right merely pay lip service to. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Perhaps you've been asleep for the last 12 years....'a non partisan perspective'=hilarious. Expand on this instead of making generalisations.' it is complete disrespect for the institutions, norms and rules of our democracy.' should go to spec savers holy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Perhaps you've been asleep for the last 12 years....'a non partisan perspective'=hilarious. Expand on this instead of making generalisations.' it is complete disrespect for the institutions, norms and rules of our democracy.' You obviously haven't read the RNZ article on the Government document dump with its attendant advice to cabinet ministers? Note the article does not quote any opposition politicians and was republished in its entirety by Stuff and the NZ Herald. ? I wonder if Jacinda and Grant will ask for the $50m back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Just now, Chief Stipe said: You obviously haven't read the RNZ article on the Government document dump with its attendant advice to cabinet ministers? Note the article does not quote any opposition politicians and was republished in its entirety by Stuff and the NZ Herald. its completely irrelevant..these are unchartered waters,despite the Chch quakes,after which a responsible Govt would have made a plan to cope with an event like this. There is plenty of legal precedent through various Govt departments to sustain the actions taken.This 'principled' faux disgust is a politically motivated ..beat up. Loto Bridges....the medicine is worse than the...cure....peanut!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 9 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: There is plenty of legal precedent through various Govt departments to sustain the actions taken. Post them thanks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotsfan Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: You obviously haven't read the RNZ article on the Government document dump with its attendant advice to cabinet ministers? Note the article does not quote any opposition politicians and was republished in its entirety by Stuff and the NZ Herald. it was reported on tv3 news tonight reporter saying she received a leaked email ardern sent to her ministers telling them not to talk to media [ so could only have been leaked by greens,first or labour ] the reporter then went on to say they asked minister of health for interview and he refused just to prove her point about ardern gagging ministers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Post them thanks. Far too detailed to do that,but basically...State of emergency and Health Act provisions cover this.It all boils down to legal technicalities how persons' is defined.i.e is it the whole country or a smaller group. Have you had this high regard for morality,transparency from politicians and disdain for non democratic action long...or is a recent cause celebre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Trotsfan said: it was reported on tv3 news tonight reporter saying she received a leaked email ardern sent to her ministers telling them not to talk to media [ so could only have been leaked by greens,first or labour ] the reporter then went on to say they asked minister of health for interview and he refused just to prove her point about ardern gagging ministers A minister declining an interview proves nothing at all. It is very common irrespective of who is in Govt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Far too detailed to do that,but basically...State of emergency and Health Act provisions cover this.It all boils down to legal technicalities how persons' is defined.i.e is it the whole country or a smaller group. Have you had this high regard for morality,transparency from politicians and disdain for non democratic action long...or is a recent cause celebre? If you are going to copy and paste from some other site or publication I suggest you paste as plain text! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 1 minute ago, holy ravioli said: A minister declining an interview proves nothing at all. It is very common irrespective of who is in Govt. So which Government member leaked the email? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Far too detailed to do that,but basically...State of emergency and Health Act provisions cover this.It all boils down to legal technicalities how persons' is defined.i.e is it the whole country or a smaller group. Have you had this high regard for morality,transparency from politicians and disdain for non democratic action long...or is a recent cause celebre? Well I can't seem to get rid of the below image. However, the documents were not leaked. They were transparently and proactively released today by government and you can go read them yourselves, stop talking shit and stop relying on the media spin. https://covid19.govt.nz/resources/key-documents-and-legislation/proactive-release/ Edited May 8, 2020 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: If you are going to copy and paste from some other site or publication I suggest you paste as plain text! As they are my own comments it matters not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, curious said: They weren't leaked they were proactively released by government today. So much rubbish here. Read them yourselve and stop talking shit and listening to the media. https://covid19.govt.nz/resources/key-documents-and-legislation/proactive-release/ I presume that is for CS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, curious said: They weren't leaked they were proactively released by government today. I think the associated email from Adern to Ministers might have been "leaked". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 4 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: A minister declining an interview proves nothing at all. It is very common irrespective of who is in Govt. FFS! You are deluded! Ardern has told her ministers to not talk to media and anything written has to be run past her! If that isn’t showing no confidence in her ministers I don’t know what is? Why hasn’t the Minister of health, Minister for tourism, minister of tourism spoken at the 1.0pm announcements over the last month or so????? Did we really need Bloomfield wanking on about the no. Of positive tests every day without any detail as to how many had symptoms or anything. Bloomfield worked for WHO as far as I am aware so that doesn’t exactly give us all a lot of confidence. Hopefully enough sheep can start to see what many of us have known all along, that this lot is totally out of their depth with anything but giving away free money! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 Where's Winnie in all this? He is old school Parliament and as well wouldn't take kindly by being told by Ardern to keep his mouth shut. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, Brodie said: FFS! You are deluded! Ardern has told her ministers to not talk to media and anything written has to be run past her! If that isn’t showing no confidence in her ministers I don’t know what is? Why hasn’t the Minister of health, Minister for tourism, minister of tourism spoken at the 1.0pm announcements over the last month or so????? Did we really need Bloomfield wanking on about the no. Of positive tests every day without any detail as to how many had symptoms or anything. Bloomfield worked for WHO as far as I am aware so that doesn’t exactly give us all a lot of confidence. Hopefully enough sheep can start to see what many of us have known all along, that this lot is totally out of their depth with anything but giving away free money! As sure as night follows day you will have your hand out for...some! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Where's Winnie in all this? He is old school Parliament and as well wouldn't take kindly by being told by Ardern to keep his mouth shut. never mind him...tell us more about your moral outrage and how the Govt should have handled this crisis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: As sure as night follows day you will have your hand out for...some! railway sleepers better than hand outs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 3 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: As sure as night follows day you will have your hand out for...some! I see you are well indoctrinated with the 'free money' trope...off to bed...leave you with this... 'Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone. John Maynard Keynes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trotsfan Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 12 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Where's Winnie in all this? He is old school Parliament and as well wouldn't take kindly by being told by Ardern to keep his mouth shut. shall we start a rumour on hear and say he organised email leak lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted May 8, 2020 Share Posted May 8, 2020 10 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: As sure as night follows day you will have your hand out for...some! Quite the opposite Holy Crap! We are financially very comfortable thru investment, and probably subsidising your current lifestyle big time. Baa! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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