Mardy Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 Sounds like Chris is now out until further notice as well,can't ride trials etc. According to those on facebook,the powers that be want him to undergo alcohol rehab/counselling but he doesn't want too.So that's another rubbed out until who knows how long for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, Mardy said: Sounds like Chris is now out until further notice as well,can't ride trials etc. According to those on facebook,the powers that be want him to undergo alcohol rehab/counselling but he doesn't want too.So that's another rubbed out until who knows how long for. Be ok if he was paralytic whenever he turned up at the races but for what he did a wee while back ,pretty petty. Basically dont worry about him,all these PC basterds.😡 Edited October 12, 2020 by mikeynz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 40 minutes ago, Mardy said: the powers that be want him to undergo alcohol rehab/counselling but he doesn't want to I doubt they have the power to use that as the sole reason to stand him down. Has he failed another test? I would have thought that as long as he turns up sober within the limits then he'd be fine and the what he does outside riding is none of their business. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted October 12, 2020 Author Share Posted October 12, 2020 Jockey ranks starting to get a bit thin..got a few out suspended/injured and now 3 that are out until further notice,tho one of them isn't returning. Yip maybe Chris failed another test??..who the F knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 1 minute ago, Mardy said: Jockey ranks starting to get a bit thin..got a few out suspended/injured and now 3 that are out until further notice,tho one of them isn't returning. Yip maybe Chris failed another test??..who the F knows. Who's not returning? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 12, 2020 Share Posted October 12, 2020 9 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I doubt they have the power to use that as the sole reason to stand him down. Has he failed another test? I would have thought that as long as he turns up sober within the limits then he'd be fine and the what he does outside riding is none of their business. I would have thought so too. He has undergone counselling/rehab before, with the help of racecourse chaplain Andrew McKerrow. I have no doubt Andrew would be the first to stand up and offer help again - but, in the end, the effort has to come from the individual. I also know he is very keen to get the record, he's only nine away, be a real shame if he lets it slip away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 Why do the RIU think they are the behaviour and moral police for us all . Best jockey in Canterbury and he likes a beer - don’t we all - and blows half the youth rate. The behaviour of the lead investigating RIU officer in this and other cases must be a very pure person - has been known to harass harness drivers and chase them home and enter private property - and for life holds witch hunt grudges. Ask the harness guys ? Thoroughbreds are getting a bit of harness treatment from our beloved RIU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, LongOwner said: Why do the RIU think they are the behaviour and moral police for us all . Best jockey in Canterbury and he likes a beer - don’t we all - and blows half the youth rate. The behaviour of the lead investigating RIU officer in this and other cases must be a very pure person - has been known to harass harness drivers and chase them home and enter private property - and for life holds witch hunt grudges. Ask the harness guys ? Thoroughbreds are getting a bit of harness treatment from our beloved RIU. you forgot one thing long owner the guy is a bully too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 On 10/13/2020 at 6:16 AM, Freda said: I would have thought so too. He has undergone counselling/rehab before, with the help of racecourse chaplain Andrew McKerrow. I have no doubt Andrew would be the first to stand up and offer help again - but, in the end, the effort has to come from the individual. I also know he is very keen to get the record, he's only nine away, be a real shame if he lets it slip away. Just curious to know, in this age of no faith or a multitude of different faiths, does the racecourse chaplain still have an active role? It's something I hadn't really thought about, so curious to know where they fit in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Ludwig said: Just curious to know, in this age of no faith or a multitude of different faiths, does the racecourse chaplain still have an active role? It's something I hadn't really thought about, so curious to know where they fit in. This one does, he's a super guy although he never pushes his - or any - faith. He is a Salvation Army officer. He is available to offer support or arrange counselling at any time. I think, as a result of Andrew's popularity, a north island version has been installed as well. Edited October 14, 2020 by Freda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Freda said: This one does, he's a super guy although he never pushes his - or any - faith. He is a Salvation Army officer. He is available to offer support or arrange counselling at any time. I think, as a result of Andrew's popularity, a north island version has been installed as well. Thx for that. Good to know that there are such support mechanisms in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 5 hours ago, Freda said: This one does, he's a super guy although he never pushes his - or any - faith. He is a Salvation Army officer. He is available to offer support or arrange counselling at any time. I think, as a result of Andrew's popularity, a north island version has been installed as well. Salvation Army=good people,dont need to be religious to be good people. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Any further information on this? My understanding is that he was given the option of counselling, or not, with a longer stand down if not undertaken. The longer option is nearly up....so, what has changed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 34 minutes ago, Freda said: Any further information on this? My understanding is that he was given the option of counselling, or not, with a longer stand down if not undertaken. The longer option is nearly up....so, what has changed? That's crap. Tell them to get stuffed. Too late to save him from whatever. We all know that he is a great horseman. If he turns up and passes the test why can't he ride? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy connolly Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 On 13/10/2020 at 6:16 AM, Freda said: I also know he is very keen to get the record, he's only nine away, be a real shame if he lets it slip away. It just goes to show how inept and stupid the R.I.U currently are. If you want a correct opinion on Johnson's talent / flaws / weaknesses give Mr. Bruce Craik a call, he was the head stipendiary steward for the Canterbury region during the 80's, 90's (Johnson's heyday.) I can recall Craik saying he hadn't seen a better rider than Johnson and Craik was also a former jockey. There would've been absolutely no chance of Craik (or any stipe worth their salt) putting the boot into Johnson when on the verge of an all-time winning record. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: That's crap. Tell them to get stuffed. Too late to save him from whatever. We all know that he is a great horseman. If he turns up and passes the test why can't he ride? Well, yes, exactly. What is the reason for the further penalty? Edited October 18, 2020 by Freda 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chief Stipe Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 From Weigh In (had to wait until the end to get anything interesting): CWJ's license suspension is involving lawyers. Seems there has been a legal challenge to the suspension. Progress is being made and an announcement will be made later this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Racing: Kiwi jockey Chris Johnson fighting to save career 21 Oct, 2020 07:30 PM3 minutes to read Chris Johnson. Photo / Paul Taylor NZ Herald By: Michael Guerin The jockey on the verge of becoming New Zealand's most successful is fighting to save his career. Chris Johnson is eight wins from the record for race victories in New Zealand but the 56-year-old Cantabrian will have to convince racing bosses he is not an alcoholic and a danger to himself and fellow jockeys before he is allowed to ride again. In an extraordinary story that few industry insiders are willing to discuss openly, Johnson's licence to ride is suspended until New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing's integrity panel is convinced he is fit to ride. Johnson's troubles started when he failed a breathalyser test after riding in the first race at Riccarton on September 12, his blood alcohol rate of 133 mcg/l being above the allowed level for jockeys when riding of 100 mcg. The legal limit for a driver of motor vehicle is 250 mcg. Johnson admitted the positive test and was suspended until October 16 and was fined $1000. That appeared to be the end of the incident for Johnson, who has admitted his previous battles with the bottle but is adamant he has that under control and he did not drink heavily the night before the failed test or on raceday. That has been backed by sources close to him who have spoken to the Herald. But last week Johnson was sent a letter informing him his licence had been reviewed by NZTR's licensing panel and he was not able to ride again "until such time as NZTR can be satisfied that your riding does not pose an elevated risk of harm to yourself or others". That confusing part for Johnson and his supporters is that he has not been examined by a medical professional in person since his suspension was handed down. NZTR chief executive Bernard Saundry confirmed his organisation's stance but says they want to work with Johnson as his welfare and that of his fellow jockeys and horses is paramount. Johnson is understood to have taken legal advice and is visiting a medical specialist in the field of alcohol dependency in Christchurch this week to obtain an independent assessment in the hope of regaining his licence. Those close to Johnson who have spoken to the Herald believe he will be passed fit to ride, and if he gets his licence back he will resume his career on 2443 wins in New Zealand, just eight short of the country's most successful domestic jockey David Walsh. Johnson was unavailable for comment on legal advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Racing: Kiwi jockey Chris Johnson fighting to save career 21 Oct, 2020 07:30 PM3 minutes to read Chris Johnson. Photo / Paul Taylor NZ Herald By: Michael Guerin The jockey on the verge of becoming New Zealand's most successful is fighting to save his career. Chris Johnson is eight wins from the record for race victories in New Zealand but the 56-year-old Cantabrian will have to convince racing bosses he is not an alcoholic and a danger to himself and fellow jockeys before he is allowed to ride again. In an extraordinary story that few industry insiders are willing to discuss openly, Johnson's licence to ride is suspended until New Zealand Thoroughbred Racing's integrity panel is convinced he is fit to ride. Johnson's troubles started when he failed a breathalyser test after riding in the first race at Riccarton on September 12, his blood alcohol rate of 133 mcg/l being above the allowed level for jockeys when riding of 100 mcg. The legal limit for a driver of motor vehicle is 250 mcg. Johnson admitted the positive test and was suspended until October 16 and was fined $1000. That appeared to be the end of the incident for Johnson, who has admitted his previous battles with the bottle but is adamant he has that under control and he did not drink heavily the night before the failed test or on raceday. That has been backed by sources close to him who have spoken to the Herald. But last week Johnson was sent a letter informing him his licence had been reviewed by NZTR's licensing panel and he was not able to ride again "until such time as NZTR can be satisfied that your riding does not pose an elevated risk of harm to yourself or others". That confusing part for Johnson and his supporters is that he has not been examined by a medical professional in person since his suspension was handed down. NZTR chief executive Bernard Saundry confirmed his organisation's stance but says they want to work with Johnson as his welfare and that of his fellow jockeys and horses is paramount. Johnson is understood to have taken legal advice and is visiting a medical specialist in the field of alcohol dependency in Christchurch this week to obtain an independent assessment in the hope of regaining his licence. Those close to Johnson who have spoken to the Herald believe he will be passed fit to ride, and if he gets his licence back he will resume his career on 2443 wins in New Zealand, just eight short of the country's most successful domestic jockey David Walsh. Johnson was unavailable for comment on legal advice. I think Mr Johnson is being picked on by some suit wearing attention seeking wanker,yep if he turned at every meeting pissed off his tree then kick his arse but on this one the breath reading he got was hardly a major deal,let him get back to work and let those suit wearing fuckers find something else to do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 By the reading he recorded he might have only had one or two whiskeys or whatever,its not that bigger deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 When was the last time you saw CWJ fall off a horse? However the issue is all part of this "being a good employer" crap but then they are not actually his employer. In my opinion it is none of their business but they think they have the power under the licence agreement. I guess a lawyer is pointing out to them that they don't actually have that power. Wouldn't a compromise be CWJ agreeing to be tested early each race day? Do they actually test EVERYONE early race day? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 Bloody hell, Chris pissed would be safer than most of the muppets out there. ( Which doesnt justify making exceptions, I do realise ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted October 21, 2020 Share Posted October 21, 2020 29 minutes ago, Freda said: No. I assume you mean testing Jockey's. There are less dangerous industries that do. Which begs the question why did they test CWJ in this instance? Spies in bushes again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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