Addington Starter

[Gammalite]

Just now, Noodlum said:

But it doesn't actually make them race faster than they can.  The good one's don't need any encouragement.

They do make them run Faster than they Would without them  though. Not as many horses are keen to run flat out to their absolute Maximum as you think.

Train them to relax when on a helmet (drop the bit to conserve energy) and when you pull off their back at the 1/4 or whereever , you pull the plugs and bellow and roar , and storm to Victory !! 

[Noodlum]

2 minutes ago, Mikie said:

The real good ones mightn't

But deafeners when pulled elicit a response at an appropriate time without a doubt

Mikie

Yeah well racing must have been real crap when they didn't have them!  NOT!

[Gammalite]

10 minutes ago, Noodlum said:

Yeah well racing must have been real crap when they didn't have them!  NOT!

They went a lot slower last century. And you could use the Whip Way more to scare them on.

Lots of horses would clamp their arses down a bit and almost slow up if you hit them too hard with the whip driving. Now banned. So it's all about the noise that makes your moderate runners stick on a bit.

NZ drivers way better than Aus ones . Vinny Knight and Jimmy O gave some of their drives a terrible flogging, (but got results!! Whip and Noise combined! lol ) Makes me tired just watching Jimmy O win the Christchurch Interdominion with Lightning Blue. Phew.......

Deafeners/ hoods etc have made better racing than Whip driving ? Is a Better look anyway ...........

[Noodlum]

24 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

They went a lot slower last century.

You reckon?  If you look at the record history you will find that they haven't got that much faster they have just increased the breed's stamina to run faster longer.  Well in New Zealand anyway.

Armalight hold's the mares 2000m record and set it in 1981 i.e. 39 years ago.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Noodlum

[Gammalite]

2 minutes ago, Noodlum said:

You reckon?  If you look at the record history you will find that they haven't got that much faster they have just increased the breed's stamina to run faster longer.  Well in New Zealand anyway.

3. 55. 2 for 2 miles yesterday. They're going Pretty fast these days...

Noodlum and Lord Module would be way back up the track somewhere, and they were 2 of the best ones.

[Noodlum]

2 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

3. 55. 2 for 2 miles yesterday. They're going Pretty fast these days...

Noodlum and Lord Module would be way back up the track somewhere, and they were 2 of the best ones.

Yes but it was 27 years ago that Chokin went 3:59.5.  I'm picking he would have been more than competitive.  As I said they haven't got faster they just are just as fast but go longer.

[Gammalite]

3 minutes ago, Noodlum said:

Yes but it was 27 years ago that Chokin went 3:59.5.  I'm picking he would have been more than competitive.  As I said they haven't got faster they just are just as fast but go longer.

Spankem 1.47.7 in the Miracle Mile last year.  Weee bit faster than last century pacers. 

Yes Chokin a true champion and won a NZ Cup to celebrate this great time of year in NZ harness racing (won the FFA as well on tomorrow) , what a ripper he was,  2 miracle miles as well in 2.00 and 1.56.2 

Spankem by 50-100m possibly head to head? 

[Noodlum]

Speaking of whips.  I see they are racing Cane Toads in Australia and using prods.  I fully expect SAFE to get onto this with post haste.  It appears that the toads in WA have evolved to have bigger heads and be faster than those in Queensland.

https://www.news.com.au/technology/science/animals/cane-toads-showing-signs-of-rapid-evolution-as-they-continue-australian-invasion/news-story/faae4caaac1f3cee3731bb3d666e932a

(c) Raceway trials

In a separate set of trials, toads were placed by hand at the start of a 2 m wide, 15 m long outdoor raceway and encouraged to hop by prodding their urostyle with a blunt pole. This raceway was constructed on hard bare ground (soil) and had 0.5 m high walls to prevent escape. Trials commenced immediately after the toad was placed on the racetrack. Individuals that refused to hop after 10 consecutive pokes were considered to be exhausted or unwilling to move, and their trial was terminated. We also recorded the time and number of hops for the toad to complete each 5 m segment of the racetrack. All trials were conducted between 19.00 and 00.00 h, at ambient temperatures of 25.4–27.4°C.

 

 

[Gammalite]

Ugly looking things those Cane Toads are too.

Ashley Locaz ran a 1.51 over here in Brissy recently. Don't remember seeing anything near that time being run in NZ last century. They're going 25 point something quarters , sometimes these days. crazy

He appears to be only third best there? 

But do throw him in the Trifecta tomorrow in the FFA . he's pretty quick. Spankem too quick ? Easy trifecta like the Cup for Allstars? Let's hope the starter doesn't stuff it up again !!! (or Did He?)

[Noodlum]

1 minute ago, Gammalite said:

Spankem 1.47.7 in the Miracle Mile last year.  Weee bit faster than last century pacers. 

Yes Chokin a true champion and won a NZ Cup to celebrate this great time of year in NZ harness racing (won the FFA as well on tomorrow) , what a ripper he was,  2 miracle miles as well in 2.00 and 1.56.2 

Spankem by 50-100m possibly head to head? 

You are sort of missing the point.  We had a horse that we timed to run 200m in 12 seconds.  That was nearly 40 years ago.  That equates to a mile of 1:36.  Spankem's mile equates to a 200m of 13.5 seconds.

As a breed the standardbred reached its physiological speed limit years ago.  The difference now is they can run a high speed LONGER.

You'll find that some of the sectionals Lord Module ran in his 1981 Allan Matson FFA would be as fast as any today.

[Gammalite]

4 minutes ago, Noodlum said:

You are sort of missing the point.  We had a horse that we timed to run 200m in 12 seconds.  That was nearly 40 years ago.  That equates to a mile of 1:36.  Spankem's mile equates to a 200m of 13.5 seconds.

As a breed the standardbred reached its physiological speed limit years ago.  The difference now is they can run a high speed LONGER.

You'll find that some of the sectionals Lord Module ran in his 1981 Allan Matson FFA would be as fast as any today.

Mate , the only times that count are the races. Nearly all between a mile and 2 miles in distance. 

You miss the point as we are talking about those race times.

A horse sprinting out of the mobile a 12. whatever second, furlong means nothing to nobody. yes I see you are trying to say that is the speed thing you are talking about. very good

Winning times is the best guide to show the evolution from last century to this. And Agreed , Chokin very worthy competitor for this century. Too far ahead of his time?

3. 55.2 for the Cup this week ! Amazing!. That starter did a good job?  

[Rusty]

I am hearing Ricky Donnelly will be the starter at Addington for the Show Day races?! To be confirmed. 

[Noodlum]

In the early 90's there were race times around 1:54.  Nearly thirty years later on faster tracks the time is around 1:51.

[Gammalite]

20 minutes ago, Noodlum said:

In the early 90's there were race times around 1:54.  Nearly thirty years later on faster tracks the time is around 1:51.

Wow , no wonder the kiwis do well over here. 1.54 early 90's? that's way too good and fast. Now 1.51 ? Is that Addington ?

ALBION PARK here quite quick and does 1 mile to 2100m races. Have looked up Nov 2000, 2010, and 2020.

here's the times for the race card.

Nov 2000  =  2.01.5, 1.58.9, 1.59.6, 2.02, 1.59.6, 2.01, 1.57.4, and 1.58.8

Nov 2010 = 1.56.4, 1.59.3, 1.57.9, 1.55.2, 2.00, 1.58.4, 1.57.2, 1.59.4

Nov 2020  = last Sat night 1.55.7, 1.54.1, 1.54.3, 1.54.4, 1.55.6, 1.55.9, (1.54.7 COLT THIRTY ONE) and ........

1.53.3 from horse ONE CHANGE from NZ, unbelievably fast good horse, now 5 from 5 in Australia !!!

you kiwis sure know how to make a good fast horse, that's for sure!!!!!

so a 6 second progression in 20 years here. Year 2000 horses would be beaten 60-70m in 2020.

[hunterthepunter]

1 hour ago, Gammalite said:

3. 55. 2 for 2 miles yesterday. They're going Pretty fast these days...

Noodlum and Lord Module would be way back up the track somewhere, and they were 2 of the best ones.

bullshit . if noodlum and lord module had oil and grease every day they be well in front

[Karrots]

Yes Rusty, I have also heard that exact thing too. We shall await and see if it is fact or fiction hey 🙂 

[Rusty]

17 minutes ago, Karrots said:

Yes Rusty, I have also heard that exact thing too. We shall await and see if it is fact or fiction hey 🙂 

If true, will that mean Copy That gets a start in the FFA?!

Just joking, but kind of not. 

[Mikie]

3 hours ago, Noodlum said:

Yeah well racing must have been real crap when they didn't have them!  NOT!

No need to be so belligerent, merely stating what happens on the few occasions I drove

Mikie

[Mikie]

41 minutes ago, Karrots said:

Yes Rusty, I have also heard that exact thing too. We shall await and see if it is fact or fiction hey 🙂 

The news is that Addington have terminated Mr Lamb's services forthwith

Press Release coming

Mikie

[Guest CrossCodes]

I think the time has come to do away with the standing start for our biggest race of the year.

Auckland did it a few years ago now and it hasn’t had any impact on its race.

Bugger setting a horse for a race for 12 months just do be undone by a clearly incompetent starter or to be checked out of it early by a slow starter or galloper.

Time to get with the times and revert to a mobile where at least every horse will get its chance and not be at the mercy of an egomaniac power hungry sad ex-cop.

[Noodlum]

13 minutes ago, CrossCodes said:

I think the time has come to do away with the standing start for our biggest race of the year.

 

I disagree.  Just because they can't get it right why change tradition?

When did the Cup stop being a handicap?

Also by making it a mobile you reduce the field size to 14.  One horse would have missed out this year and in a good year it would have been two.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Noodlum

[Karrots]

27 minutes ago, Mikie said:

The news is that Addington have terminated Mr Lamb's services forthwith

Press Release coming

Mikie

Omg finally figured it out how to quote something. Thanks for update. Interesting. Will await for it ...  Do have a degree of sympathy, but obviously made my stance clear overall. Have been thinking about your new arrival btw. Have discovered private messaging too. Id love to see your new arrival & share with you mine new pride & joy. No longer do I have to annoy my inner circle with my new found harness enthusiasm. From feeling disheartened a couple of days ago to a potential renewed sense of energy. Enjoying reading everyones posts btw.  

[Noodlum]

29 minutes ago, Mikie said:

The news is that Addington have terminated Mr Lamb's services forthwith

Press Release coming

Mikie

Give's him more time to sort out his INCA evidence or lack thereof.

[Happy Sunrise]

2 hours ago, Mikie said:

The news is that Addington have terminated Mr Lamb's services forthwith

Getting kind of late in the day for it to be released isn't it? Especially with Show Day tomorrow.

Is it more like he has just been stood down for tomorrow to ease some of the pressure rather than a termination?

Not sure about this.

Edited November 12, 2020 by Happy Sunrise

[Karrots]

29 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said:

Getting kind of late in the day for it to be released isn't it? Especially with Show Day tomorrow.

Is it more like he has just been stood down for tomorrow to ease some of the pressure rather than a termination?

Not sure about this.

Hey sweet happy, my source was clear to me this is hear-say. I had wanted to wait and see until tomorrow how things transpired. However I saw Rusty had posted the exact same thing very shortly earlier. So hence then felt comfortable with posting, that I too had heard the exact same thing. Obviously, from what we had said that Mikie, then felt comfortable posting what he had also heard from also completely different source. I am very aware of circulating mis-information. So wanting to make it clear this is to be confirmed. We wait and see.