Happy Sunrise Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Should be a late scratching after that start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 12 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Should be a late scratching after that start. Not sure about that Happy? It was always going to be slow out as the horse it was following out should be racing on the inside track! Good day for sorting them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 40 minutes ago, Brodie said: Not sure about that Happy? It was always going to be slow out as the horse it was following out should be racing on the inside track! Good day for sorting them out. Right Brodster, Am I on the money? This is Mahia today. One on the second line. Note where the 1 runner is in relation to the gate and going backwards in relation to the mobile. Here is Be Mine Tonight not getting a fair start at Forbury. They say it was checked in this instance but it was essentially the same result at the start. At the very least it is a false start for Mahia or the driver of the 1 could be fined for not being up on the gate but that is little consolation to the backers of Mahia. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 (edited) Brilliant photographic evidence Happy Impossible to disagree with you based on that You are on the money Mikie Edited November 29, 2020 by Mikie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 Happy, you are correct that Mahia was certainly hampered by the no.1 horse, which I knew it would be because it is a dog and got no speed. Yes if you had backed it you would be pissed off, but it was always going to be the case whether the Gill horse was hard up on the gate or not, it was in trouble! The first 3 home always looked the 3 including Le Tissier who has gone a few good races and had Robbie Holmes back on today. Did it get a fair start? Bot if you think it shouldve been further up on the gate than it was! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 Hampered? Are you a stipe, Brodster? You used the same word they did! Certainly not a Xmas Hamper for punters. In my book, Mahia was denied a fair start as it was not able to be in its proper position at the start. Since there was no false start the horse should have been late scratched. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 The Candy Pole remit seems to have gone out of focus now. Why bother having it or is it discontinued? It used to appear in stipes reports but haven't seen it for awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 2 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Hampered? Are you a stipe, Brodster? You used the same word they did! Certainly not a Xmas Hamper for punters. In my book, Mahia was denied a fair start as it was not able to be in its proper position at the start. Since there was no false start the horse should have been late scratched. Na, not a Stipe although could do every bit as good as they do! Reality is Happy, that Gill trained horse shouldnt be at the races if it can not keep up behind the gate. It hasnt got much ability and drawing behind it was always going to be the problem even if it hadve been nosing the gate. Dont think it made any difference at all to the placed horses ultimately! I do know what you are saying and you are correct and even more so if you look at the late scratchings a couple of weeks ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 3 hours ago, Happy Sunrise said: Hampered? Are you a stipe, Brodster? You used the same word they did! Certainly not a Xmas Hamper for punters. In my book, Mahia was denied a fair start as it was not able to be in its proper position at the start. Since there was no false start the horse should have been late scratched. All that was is a Peter lamb sp.just look who the two retarded spastic stewards were Munro and Nick.these two have continue form of knowingnothing and pathetic dumb fucking morons 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 8 hours ago, Brodie said: Reality is Happy, that Gill trained horse shouldnt be at the races if it can not keep up behind the gate. It hasnt got much ability and drawing behind it was always going to be the problem even if it hadve been nosing the gate. Dont think it made any difference at all to the placed horses ultimately! So the Cup start was fine too since it made no difference to Copy That's off performance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: So the Cup start was fine too since it made no difference to Copy That's off performance? Of course not! Totally different scenario Happy. The Cup start there were many horses that were not given a fair start from the stand as they were all over the place. With the mobile start yesterday, at the Candy Pole the Gill runner was only half a length back and then when thr mobile sped up, it couldnt go, which was not surprising! As I keep saying, the issue was always going to be the fact that Mahia drew behind it. Didnt realise that it ran on for 4th which was probably its best race! Mahia paced terribly most of its race and was not going to place the way it went anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 So i think we all agree that occasionally some horses drift off the mobile a little as its speeds up just prior to the starting point. Everyone knows that,and everyone had been under the impression that it was the starters job to make the call for a false start if he deemed someone was being overly hampered. The starter had to deal with the consequences if he made a poor call. Punters accepted that is just part of racing Stipes only were declaring late scratchings in very obvious cases of horses being hindered prior to the start. Then about 2 months ago the stipes started late scratching any horse they deemed to receive an unfair start. That of course opened up a can of worms as it happens in almost every race to some degree and was a policy change that was always going to be applied in an inconsistent manner and was always going to be criticised.In other words to avoid criticism,they implemented a policy which lead to greater criticism..This thread is an example of that and fair enough too. So having realised that,the stipes have gone back to the way it was,and hopefully from now on they just stick to the obvious late scratchings that no one can disagree with. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 As to my view on Mahia. I agree it was hampered,but accept that it should not have been late scratched.I agree the criticism of the inconsistency is deserved,but would argue that the previous Be mine tonight decision was the wrong one. Its always inconsistency in the application of any rule that leads to criticism. Its the same when you penalise a one drive a meeting driver and then ignore a high profile driver doing exactly the same thing. It shouldn't happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 28 minutes ago, the galah said: So having realised that,the stipes have gone back to the way it was,and hopefully from now on they just stick to the obvious late scratchings that no one can disagree with. You really think they have gone back to the way it was? I can't work out if that makes them clever or foolish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted November 29, 2020 Author Share Posted November 29, 2020 They have set the standard with Prince Teka, Navara and Pro Surfer. They cannot go back on the standard set there without public notification. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted November 29, 2020 Share Posted November 29, 2020 2 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: You really think they have gone back to the way it was? I can't work out if that makes them clever or foolish. Its the path where they will get the least criticism. Punters accept that marginally unfair starts happen,and that sometimes horses manners aren't as good as we would want some days. As to those standing starts,the thing that frustrates me is when drivers are happy to start 3/4 length behind the others. Its always a disadvantage. 7 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: They have set the standard with Prince Teka, Navara and Pro Surfer. They cannot go back on the standard set there without public notification. Those were other examples of decisions which were always going to create confusion and generate criticism.Thats what happened. Don't know why they went there in the first place. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 18 hours ago, Brodie said: Na, not a Stipe although could do every bit as good as they do! Reality is Happy, that Gill trained horse shouldnt be at the races if it can not keep up behind the gate. It hasnt got much ability and drawing behind it was always going to be the problem even if it hadve been nosing the gate. Dont think it made any difference at all to the placed horses ultimately! I do know what you are saying and you are correct and even more so if you look at the late scratchings a couple of weeks ago. I agree about the Gill trained Conquistador but yesterday it went OK. It is the first time I have seen the horse run on with it battling home for fourth. Doesn't say much about the quality of the field if this slow, weak horse could come form the back to run a placing. This is another one of those horses that I wonder why they keep racing it? It's a head scratcher Brodie. Why owners persevere with horses like this? It's throwing money down the drain... senseless. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 17 hours ago, Davis said: Why owners persevere with horses like this? It's throwing money down the drain... senseless. probably got too much just like the brodster 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davis Posted November 30, 2020 Share Posted November 30, 2020 39 minutes ago, Rangatira said: probably got too much just like the brodster I think the Gills do have a lot of money as the family has a number of businesses in Marlborough. But if rich or poor it still doesn't make sense to race slow horses in my mind. Instead of having a stable of slow horses that occasionally pay a dividend, Gill could go to the sales and buy a well-bred yearling. Buy a rising 2yo from ready to run sales, something that shows ability, or lease or buy a qualified horse that will win a few. All of these options would be cheaper than what he does now. Slow horses eat as much as a good horse, vet bills, farrier, transport are the same. Four or five slow or unruly horses in a stable will cost thousands per year each to train and they unlikely to pay all the bills with stakes return. Personally, I think it would be better to have one or two horses that race consistently and get stake money regularly. Just my thoughts! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 See this horse is a $3.00 ff favorite in the naxt race. Surely a false favorite given its draw,distance and its pacing action. We will see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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