Karrots Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Sweetpea Gamms, I get it. All I am saying is that I Karrots is watching Von Beynon, Trust me Gamms, if Von Beynon, keeps posting this negative stuff, which is fine, but post some balance post some good too! That is all I am saying. Then trust me, Karrots will be watching and will call on all CONTACTS. To sort this negativity without Balance. Oh you have no idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 So what it be I know you are reading this Von Beynon. You want to take Karrots on? Lets take a risk assessment on it for a second. You right ok cool. You wrong you lose you job. Karrots watching you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Clearly Bob and Blair had some drinks on the Saturday night! Blair probably drove his car to Mot, which he was legally able to do, going by the very low MCG reading when tested! Blair obviously thought that seem he had a sleep then the alcohol was out of his system or he would not have put himself in a position to be tested! Was every driver on the course pre meeting tested, or has someone potted Blair and Bob, which does on the face of it looks likely! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Brodie said: Clearly Bob and Blair had some drinks on the Saturday night! Blair probably drove his car to Mot, which he was legally able to do, going by the very low MCG reading when tested! Blair obviously thought that seem he had a sleep then the alcohol was out of his system or he would not have put himself in a position to be tested! Was every driver on the course pre meeting tested, or has someone potted Blair and Bob, which does on the face of it looks likely! Hey B, Hey sweet pea, Oh my I remember when I first started posting we did not see eye to eye. But now we great mates. I am being a little fart. I am. I say it. But I just about want to teach this Von Beynon a lesson. Hmm. Im still thinking. Be mean, but I am up for it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) Quick go Brodie, your decision? Your contacts and mine combine. He not offering balance and Karrots sick of it. What we do? I'm starting to get Karrots rage. Should we take him? Edited January 25, 2021 by Karrots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) ? Edited January 25, 2021 by Karrots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Brodie said: Blair obviously thought that seem he had a sleep then the alcohol was out of his system or he would not have put himself in a position to be tested! Was every driver on the course pre meeting tested, or has someone potted Blair and Bob, which does on the face of it looks likely! Unfortunately He Did put himself in that position to be tested. (again) . Most over the limit people thought the "Alcohol would be out of system" before getting behind the wheel. What a Poor excuse. As for being dobbed in ? Did you want them to sneak about at the Mot after the big party ? just in case? A lot of people would be talking about the 'get togeather' so was GOOD reason to test some IMO by the stewards. safety is paramount. Why should other people in the races be compromised by a repeat offender , who might be driving at 99%, 98%, 97% ,96% ........coherence? Yeah yeah not much you say BUT It should be 100%. not this guess about how much 'limits' leave you impaired BS. The rule is there ! follow It , or look like a goose. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 9 hours ago, Basil said: I know it must seem like this to harness industry insiders, but it misunderstands van Beynen's role. He's an *investigative* reporter, which means he's employed to, well, dig up dirt. And the sad fact is that harness not only keeps showing him where to dig, but hands him the shovel as well. Blaming him for harness's poor public image is like blaming Bob Woodward for Watergate. At the risk of being stoned, I'd also point out that van Beynen is far and away the best journalist remaining at The Press (admittedly that's not saying much these days, but he'd have stood out in an earlier era as well). If he thinks Harness should be hounded, then those involved in the industry should ask themselves why, and what they should do about it. Continuing down the same path will just provide him with more ammunition. Totally agree with you. What has happened in NZ harness racing over the past few seasons is a total disgrace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Gammalite said: Unfortunately He Did put himself in that position to be tested. (again) . Most over the limit people thought the "Alcohol would be out of system" before getting behind the wheel. What a Poor excuse. As for being dobbed in ? Did you want them to sneak about at the Mot after the big party ? just in case? A lot of people would be talking about the 'get togeather' so was GOOD reason to test some IMO by the stewards. safety is paramount. Why should other people in the races be compromised by a repeat offender , who might be driving at 99%, 98%, 97% ,96% ........coherence? Yeah yeah not much you say BUT It should be 100%. not this guess about how much 'limits' leave you impaired BS. The rule is there ! follow It , or look like a goose. Yes I appreciate that he was obviously slightly over the 100 mcg limit in place! However he was legally able to drive to the course! Reality is that he if he had jumped in the cart for the first drive of the day, his reading wouldve been ZERO!!! If it is about safety, then due to the low level he shouldve been retested 30 minutes later, as he clearly was not pissed when tested! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 56 minutes ago, Brodie said: Yes I appreciate that he was obviously slightly over the 100 mcg limit in place! However he was legally able to drive to the course! Reality is that he if he had jumped in the cart for the first drive of the day, his reading wouldve been ZERO!!! If it is about safety, then due to the low level he shouldve been retested 30 minutes later, as he clearly was not pissed when tested! The issue I have is why does it need to be different than the Vehicle driving limit? Seems daft that you can legally drive a horse float full of horses on the open road at 100km/h to the races but once you get there not sit in a sulky and drive a horse. Aren't trainers under the same rules as well? That is if they have horses in their care at the races they are also subject to limits on their alcohol intake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 10 hours ago, hunterthepunter said: galah you can talk all the crap under the sun about Blair and bob .thats not going to stop them driving winners and training winners You totally miss the point. I know someone who had a 5 race win multi going onto a horse Blair Orange was supposed to drive. The reason he included the orange drive was because orange was driving it. He was rightfully peeved that Orange failed to meet his obligations because of the stated reason. If you expect punters to continue to invest,they should not have to factor in whether a driver is still showing the effects of a party the night before.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 7 minutes ago, the galah said: You totally miss the point. I know someone who had a 5 race win multi going onto a horse Blair Orange was supposed to drive. The reason he included the orange drive was because orange was driving it. He was rightfully peeved that Orange failed to meet his obligations because of the stated reason. If you expect punters to continue to invest,they should not have to factor in whether a driver is still showing the effects of a party the night before.. With a reading of 120mcg it would not have affected Blair’s driving detrimentally at all even if he was driving with the microscopic reading of alcohol on his breath! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, Brodie said: With a reading of 120mcg it would not have affected Blair’s driving detrimentally at all even if he was driving with the microscopic reading of alcohol on his breath! How can you say that? it obviously effected the way the horse was driven as orange was prevented from driving it? You are arguing a totally different issue. Edited January 25, 2021 by the galah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 Galah, a 120mcg is hardly intoxication! Blair is such a skilled reigns man that he could drive with a reading many times that and he would be less likely to have difficulties than most out on the track. Stewards should be standing down the incompetent drivers that are totally sober before someone with a microscopic reading with Blair’s ability 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: The issue I have is why does it need to be different than the Vehicle driving limit? Seems daft that you can legally drive a horse float full of horses on the open road at 100km/h to the races but once you get there not sit in a sulky and drive a horse. Aren't trainers under the same rules as well? That is if they have horses in their care at the races they are also subject to limits on their alcohol intake. Although when driving a car you arent travelling with other vehicles in such close proximity as what horses race in.Also alot more protection in a vehicle and I'm sure there a lot of other reasons could be found .Imagine if we had the 3second rule for following in horse racing.lol.Im happy with the limit being set at 100 as everybody knows what the limit is and it is up to licence holders to make themselves aware of and adhere to the limit. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 2 minutes ago, Brodie said: Galah, a 120mcg is hardly intoxication! Blair is such a skilled reigns man that he could drive with a reading many times that and he would be less likely to have difficulties than most out on the track. Stewards should be standing down the incompetent drivers that are totally sober before someone with a microscopic reading with Blair’s ability Although I tend to agree with you,You are only guessing that Brodie,how do you know how Blair drives with a 120mcg reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 4 minutes ago, Richie said: Although when driving a car you arent travelling with other vehicles in such close proximity as what horses race in. No instead you have other vehicles coming from the opposite direction passing you with as little as a metre to spare i.e. a closing speed of 200km/hr and not even a sulky width of separation! I'm not happy with the limit as it is glaringly at odds with the driving a vehicle and so we get the ridiculous situation of where Chris Johnson drives a full horse float to the races legally but can't ride! Why not make it the same? Also have the lower limit for restricted drivers the same for Junior harness drivers. I think all RIU and JCA staff should be subjected to the same tests on raceday as we wouldn't want their judgment impaired would we? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 27 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: No instead you have other vehicles coming from the opposite direction passing you with as little as a metre to spare i.e. a closing speed of 200km/hr and not even a sulky width of separation! I'm not happy with the limit as it is glaringly at odds with the driving a vehicle and so we get the ridiculous situation of where Chris Johnson drives a full horse float to the races legally but can't ride! Why not make it the same? Also have the lower limit for restricted drivers the same for Junior harness drivers. I think all RIU and JCA staff should be subjected to the same tests on raceday as we wouldn't want their judgment impaired would we? Should be the same Chief YES , at zero . None of this BS then, No alcohol related deaths on road, Hundreds of thousands saved in court cases (OZ and NZ) heaps of people Saved from EmBarassment. ? Like Mr Orange. But because it isn't BLAIR and others have to follow the RULE in Place. Brodie is doing the Old Timeframe arguement. (Should be good to go by the time the first race hits the track) wow , talk about 'run the gauntlet.' better not to Brodie. People are poor judges of their own abilities while intoxicated lol... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: I think all RIU and JCA staff should be subjected to the same tests on raceday as we wouldn't want their judgment impaired would we? there judgement is impaired Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 42 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Should be the same Chief YES , at zero . None of this BS then, No alcohol related deaths on road, Hundreds of thousands saved in court cases (OZ and NZ) heaps of people Saved from EmBarassment. ? Like Mr Orange. Ok I'd better sell my shares in the Golden Mile and the Yaldy. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 46 minutes ago, Gammalite said: No alcohol related deaths on road, Making the limit Zero won't change the number of deaths on the road greatly. Just changes the cause label. I guess Gammalite you are in the Covid-19 lock everyone down camp? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Galah, a 120mcg is hardly intoxication! Blair is such a skilled reigns man that he could drive with a reading many times that and he would be less likely to have difficulties than most out on the track. Stewards should be standing down the incompetent drivers that are totally sober before someone with a microscopic reading with Blair’s ability So do you think your argument should apply to anyone who drives a car,everyone having their own legal limit?Or just to harness drivers? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted January 25, 2021 Share Posted January 25, 2021 35 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Making the limit Zero won't change the number of deaths on the road greatly. Just changes the cause label. I guess Gammalite you are in the Covid-19 lock everyone down camp? USA has one alcohol related death on the road per HOUR , zero % seems a better idea to me. Bloody virus, not sure what is best there, but haven't NZ and OZ done well overall.? UK in total crisis. Hope Auckland folk ok and that SA strain contained. Aussies and kiwis pretty smart (unless drinking night before the Day trot's Blair and Co ...lol......) Even as far as 30 years ago we had designated driver every weekend for your adventures/ parties !! works fine . Drink Poweraid or some shit like that and no alcohol on your driving day. (car or races) not hard to do. I think its awful that some think it ok to drive in a horse race with 'some' alcohol traces. Hard to believe some do that. There's obligations to consider. Blair is good, but that's no excuse. I could drive the same in a race after consuming a '6 pack' or not, BUT wouldn't do it. It's against the rules. and against your mates and punters etc too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 If it is so important for whatever reason do they test every driver at the start of the day or night racing? If not why not? Or do we have the Canterbury snitch at work again? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 5 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: If it is so important for whatever reason do they test every driver at the start of the day or night racing? If not why not? Or do we have the Canterbury snitch at work again? They randomly pre race, post race test horses. Jockeys too ,They have found cocaine, weed etc, Luke Tarrant , Katsidis in QLD got long sentences. KEEP TESTING , yes indeed. The track needs to be safe , a dangerous workplace already. Definitely get some breath tests if you hear about the big parties night before. Good on the Stewards !!! There prime job is to make the races SAFE AS POSSIBLE for the competitors. Heaven forbid it be like the roads. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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