whiplash smile Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, Karrots said: PS - There would be nothing stopping them having a “nom de plume" name & also re sponsors could look outside square, go for beer sponsors or something oppose just industry sponsors. We are funny Whippy - creating a potential job here ourselves lol. Maybe Harness Xpress could change things up a bit ... or add in a separate component dedicated to the above we mentioned ... if they are struggling ... Who knows anyway just some thoughts/ideas. The whale always has good info on gate speed, trying to predict whos in the first five at the 800m more important than ever with the fast track and fast times, Was sure KIng Arthur was going to lead today and did, thought iksaka would get the trail in his race with matty williamson drawing one, plus he was a the big win mover on the tote F.O yesterday from 11 to 7s, form wasnt great but the same as pembrook destiny on friday with matty biggest win mover F.O but couldnt see him getting past quite a good field from that draw. One of my punting rules never leave out David Butcher Or Matty Williamson, broke the rule and now quaddie tickets have to be budget toilet paper now so broke! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 25 minutes ago, whiplash smile said: One of my punting rules never leave out David Butcher Or Matty Williamson, broke the rule and now quaddie tickets have to be budget toilet paper now so broke! Haha, sucks when we break our own rules hey whippy. We need to slap ourselves like dis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bang Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 6 hours ago, Newmarket said: Thanks for that Blair You're a loser. I give you cold hard honest truth and you throw back that. Tosser. I've watched this site for months. And the amount of absolute bullshit you post that is so from the truth while trying to pretend like you know what's happening is laughable. Go have another smoke with Neil. Then ring Martin and let him know what's happening. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 Posting only what is readily available online: Van Beynen was accused of approaching a juror, which led to criticism of him by an official of the High Court and media outlets. I have no idea if this is true or false just re-posting what is on Wikipedia. Note the herald link article has been removed about it. But the sentence still remains on Wiki. He also published a book called Trapped, on the Christchurch 2011. Well how do you think he got the interviews from people?! Charming. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richie Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 14 hours ago, Karrots said: Both your last 2 posts well written with humour there Whippee. Well done. I wonder if Harness needs a neutral journo, that is not friends with anyone. That comes in and writes the news good and bad on a regular basis. Objective and not subjective. Maybe that is what is lacking. Because I know thru some of these things I have been curious to know exactly what the facts are. And published for all the harness industry to see, not for the general public. Of course the bigger news, meaning leading trainer/driver news would go general anyway. But that is normal. This could be an opportunity maybe … for someone to take …. People couldn’t get all funky monkey with the person as they would be there to provide all facts good AND bad. It's hard to.print the facts when hrnz are trying to keep them hidden.From what I heard at Methven yesterday drug test results are due back Wednesday with some samples having been tested twice.Hope it's just a rumour 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 36 minutes ago, Richie said: It's hard to.print the facts when hrnz are trying to keep them hidden. Isn't that in the RIU/JCA hands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Richie said: It's hard to.print the facts when hrnz are trying to keep them hidden.From what I heard at Methven yesterday drug test results are due back Wednesday with some samples having been tested twice.Hope it's just a rumour Far you guys on here have all the gossip lol. Hmm ok. That is a problem I think, in terms that it should be transparent good and bad within the industry. Stops rumours, conspiracy theories. It answers questions and people eventually move on from things and start talking about the next thing. It was great when think it was M Guerin wrote an article quickly about P Lamb dismissed. Yes that particular 1 was for mainstream, but that was top event. Oh well I am all out of ideas now. Edited January 31, 2021 by Karrots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 37 minutes ago, Karrots said: Far you guys on here have all the gossip lol. Hmm ok. That is a problem I think, in terms that it should be transparent good and bad within the industry. Stops rumours, conspiracy theories. It answers questions and people eventually move on from things and start talking about the next thing. It was great when think it was M Guerin wrote an article quickly about P Lamb dismissed. Yes that particular 1 was for mainstream, but that was top event. Oh well I am all out of ideas now. The riu don't announce if their are positives do they,so there is no transparency from the riu on that issue. Also while there is no denying m guerins knowledge and entertainment value,he operated the very same way as this von beynon fella does. i.e. he picked and chose who he wrote about depending on who his mates were,and whether the story would reflect badly on them. So personally i don't miss reading a m guerin article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted January 31, 2021 Share Posted January 31, 2021 42 minutes ago, the galah said: The riu don't announce if their are positives do they,so there is no transparency from the riu on that issue. Also while there is no denying m guerins knowledge and entertainment value,he operated the very same way as this von beynon fella does. i.e. he picked and chose who he wrote about depending on who his mates were,and whether the story would reflect badly on them. So personally i don't miss reading a m guerin article. Hey Galahs 😁 No idea re if RIU announce positives or not. I wasn't talking about them. But anyways that is why I suggested a neutral person with no mates in industry to relay all the news good and bad within the industry only. So all the bad stuff that is needlessly being presented mainstream is not. I only pointed Guerin out as an example of 1 particular recent episode of when something was addressed quickly which stopped the rumour mill. (Not specially saying I like or dislike Guerin or his work). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whiplash smile Posted February 2, 2021 Share Posted February 2, 2021 On 1/02/2021 at 12:34 PM, Karrots said: 😁 I only pointed Guerin out as an example of 1 particular recent episode of when something was addressed quickly which stopped the rumour mill. (Not specially saying I like or dislike Guerin or his work). RRRRIIIIIGGGHHHTTTT! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/racing-top-harness-drivers-blair-orange-and-bob-butt-suspended-after-failing-blood-alcohol-tests/R2OIRRAQKD43KW6332UNBBSTXA/ Great to see a follow-up & this 1 doesn’t selectively omit night prior details 👍 NZ Herald By: M Guerin Two of New Zealand's leading harness racing drivers face eight-week suspensions after failing blood alcohol tests at a Canterbury race meeting. Premiership leader Blair Orange and recent Group 1-winning trainer-driver Bob Butt both returned blood alcohol breathalyser results over racing's allowed limit at the Motukarara meeting in Canterbury on January 24. The pair were both tested before the races started and after being above the limit for harness drivers, which is lower than for drivers of a motor vehicle. Both were stood down from driving for the day. Both men have previously failed raceday blood alcohol tests on one previous occasion and have now been handed eight-week suspensions of their racing drivers' licences. Butt started his suspension this week while Orange starts his on Tuesday after his hearing today. The pair will also have to see a councillor specialising in alcohol problems. Orange is New Zealand's top harness racing driver and told the Herald he apologises to those inside the industry and punters. "I am very remorseful over what happened and will try and make amends," he said last night. "I went to two functions the night before and had a bit to drink and was home just after midnight, woke up feeling okay and went to work not thinking anything of it. "So I was surprised and disappointed to blow a positive test and I am looking forward to working through how I can deal with alcohol better." The suspension comes a few months after champion jockey Chris Johnson was also suspended for the same offence. He has since returned to racing and set a national record for wins with 2452. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Karrots said: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/racing-top-harness-drivers-blair-orange-and-bob-butt-suspended-after-failing-blood-alcohol-tests/R2OIRRAQKD43KW6332UNBBSTXA/ Great to see a follow-up & this 1 doesn’t selectively omit night prior details 👍 NZ Herald By: M Guerin Two of New Zealand's leading harness racing drivers face eight-week suspensions after failing blood alcohol tests at a Canterbury race meeting. Premiership leader Blair Orange and recent Group 1-winning trainer-driver Bob Butt both returned blood alcohol breathalyser results over racing's allowed limit at the Motukarara meeting in Canterbury on January 24. The pair were both tested before the races started and after being above the limit for harness drivers, which is lower than for drivers of a motor vehicle. Both were stood down from driving for the day. Both men have previously failed raceday blood alcohol tests on one previous occasion and have now been handed eight-week suspensions of their racing drivers' licences. Butt started his suspension this week while Orange starts his on Tuesday after his hearing today. The pair will also have to see a councillor specialising in alcohol problems. Orange is New Zealand's top harness racing driver and told the Herald he apologises to those inside the industry and punters. "I am very remorseful over what happened and will try and make amends," he said last night. "I went to two functions the night before and had a bit to drink and was home just after midnight, woke up feeling okay and went to work not thinking anything of it. "So I was surprised and disappointed to blow a positive test and I am looking forward to working through how I can deal with alcohol better." The suspension comes a few months after champion jockey Chris Johnson was also suspended for the same offence. He has since returned to racing and set a national record for wins with 2452. Great article, tells what happened (tests and suspensions) Driver gives apology which is important (we all make mistakes) Harness officials took action which is important ( for the image of the sport projected) councilling offered to make sure no underlining/ ongoing issues, ( bad party timing really) Mentioned the other racing code fellow CJ, which is important ( so racing and Harness racing are projected in the same light) and hopefully ALL industry participants are fully aware of expectations from both codes. so all good moving forward. wonder if they test greyhound handling folk ??? hahaha...... 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 8 hours ago, Gammalite said: Great article, tells what happened (tests and suspensions) Driver gives apology which is important (we all make mistakes) Harness officials took action which is important ( for the image of the sport projected) councilling offered to make sure no underlining/ ongoing issues, ( bad party timing really) Mentioned the other racing code fellow CJ, which is important ( so racing and Harness racing are projected in the same light) and hopefully ALL industry participants are fully aware of expectations from both codes. so all good moving forward. wonder if they test greyhound handling folk ??? hahaha...... Yes Gamms agree, a 10/10 from me. Put that they are repeat offenders at top. Article wasn’t too long so hopefully people read whole thing. Acknowledgement with apology to industry - punters was good to see & punishment given. Comparison to gallops so people understand its not just harness folks making mistakes. The facts around how it come about, so no chance of potentially being mis-read, re maybe drinking at races prior or maybe having a drink for breakfast. 2021 only & that is the end of Round 3, its Van Beynon vs Harness industry. That was nearly a knock-out, but not quite. The match continues is 2-1 Van Beynon narrowly in the lead. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eljay Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Wonder who else was at the party and didn't get tested and drove. One has to hope everyone was subject to a test but that would no doubt be an impossibility. So how did they "choose" who was tested? We will never know. Reminds me of a driver (true yarn) who went to a stipe before a race and said Sir, you will no doubt call me in after the race so why not do it now before it gets busy. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 10 hours ago, Gammalite said: Great article, tells what happened (tests and suspensions) Driver gives apology which is important (we all make mistakes) Harness officials took action which is important ( for the image of the sport projected) councilling offered to make sure no underlining/ ongoing issues, ( bad party timing really) Mentioned the other racing code fellow CJ, which is important ( so racing and Harness racing are projected in the same light) and hopefully ALL industry participants are fully aware of expectations from both codes. so all good moving forward. wonder if they test greyhound handling folk ??? hahaha...... So Blair a repeat offender gets 8 weeks for being over the limit to drive and on the same night Nigel Chalmers an amateur driver having his first drive of the season gets 6 weeks for not suing his whip in a flicking motion, no warning at all, last season 4 drives for 2 placing and was a decent junior driver many years ago so is no mug....... strange times we live in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 37 minutes ago, Dougie said: So Blair a repeat offender gets 8 weeks for being over the limit to drive and on the same night Nigel Chalmers an amateur driver having his first drive of the season gets 6 weeks for not suing his whip in a flicking motion, no warning at all, last season 4 drives for 2 placing and was a decent junior driver many years ago so is no mug....... strange times we live in. I guess the length of suspension in some way relates to the number of drives. But if you compare the seemingly countless number of warnings other drivers have received without penalty for the same charge, then Chalmers quite rightly must be asking why treat him any differently? That amateur race last night did have some bad driving. B white and S blake both getting 2 month suspensions and $300 fines. As far as the mick guerin article goes,It is well written and gave balance to those who don't follow the sport closely. Maybe for those who follow harness racing closely,it was good to read oranges comments,but as i have said earlier they were pretty much as expected. Whether he likes it or not he is a role model,and when he makes an error of judgement people look to how he deals with it,and he has set a good example of how to deal with a negative in a positive way. I thought the Miss impression disqualification from 2nd was the debatable decision last night. The video coverage showed it brushed the outside of 1 marker,then went inside 2. I know thats not supposed to happen but going inside two markers has not lead to disqualification in some instances previously. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taku Umanga Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 8 hours ago, eljay said: Wonder who else was at the party and didn't get tested and drove. One has to hope everyone was subject to a test but that would no doubt be an impossibility. So how did they "choose" who was tested? We will never know. Reminds me of a driver (true yarn) who went to a stipe before a race and said Sir, you will no doubt call me in after the race so why not do it now before it gets busy. There were plenty tested on the day. The stipes grabbed every driver that walked past from what I saw. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 9 hours ago, Dougie said: Nigel Chalmers an amateur driver having his first drive of the season gets 6 weeks for not suing his whip in a flicking motion, no warning at all, last season 4 drives for 2 placing and was a decent junior driver many years ago so is no mug....... strange times we live in. Hopefully a balanced story on new encourager (whip) rule is in pipeline. Felt like the MVB, 1 was a lil too negative against those that asked for review. These fines & stand downs are quite full on. Fines could amount to their whole days work. In North there is often only 1 day a week racing. I know Flight Centre used to dock pay out of commission if an agent made a mistake - surely they don’t do this anymore … That’s the only 1, I can think of where it comes from peoples pay. Does anyone know other jobs? Not putting down the new rule, just putting things into perspective. (I can see both sides). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Karrots said: Hopefully a balanced story on new encourager (whip) rule is in pipeline. Felt like the MVB, 1 was a lil too negative against those that asked for review. These fines & stand downs are quite full on. Fines could amount to their whole days work. In North there is often only 1 day a week racing. I know Flight Centre used to dock pay out of commission if an agent made a mistake - surely they don’t do this anymore … That’s the only 1, I can think of where it comes from peoples pay. Does anyone know other jobs? Not putting down the new rule, just putting things into perspective. (I can see both sides). PS - I'm not saying that I think there should be a review or not of it. I just felt like the article was needlessly thrown into public domain with an angle that was embarrassing & negative slant. Should of stayed private. So now it is out there, perhaps a more balanced article would be a good follow-up & not just about D Butcher, but others too. Fines & reasons why harness is coming down hard. Animal welfare etc. How much it's costing drivers, hitting their pockets. How they are finding it. How they are trying to change & working on improvement. A balanced account. Edited February 5, 2021 by Karrots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 Rule is not working. The original rule that was working for everyone, was working so why did Rennell bother to change it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 5, 2021 Share Posted February 5, 2021 I spoke to 3 different people in past 3 weeks, who have lost their jobs, all different industries. 2 out of the 3 with degrees, & never been unemployed before. These are Covid times. People are struggling. I just feel for drivers that are hit with these big fines. Be great to strike a balance somehow. Ask for a review within your work environment and Nek Minnit its mainstream news with you name put to it. Shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted February 6, 2021 Share Posted February 6, 2021 On 31/01/2021 at 9:33 PM, Big Bang said: You're a loser. I give you cold hard honest truth and you throw back that. Tosser. I've watched this site for months. And the amount of absolute bullshit you post that is so from the truth while trying to pretend like you know what's happening is laughable. Go have another smoke with Neil. Then ring Martin and let him know what's happening. Well come on Big Bang, Tell us whats going on? So what is untrue? Maybe you are so involved in the game, you see nothing wrong with whats on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunedin Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 Martin has now pulled out the bazooka in is attempt to kill NZ trots forever.mitchell Kerr must get ten years plus jail.even ripping of national heros 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karrots Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 56 minutes ago, Dunedin said: Martin has now pulled out the bazooka in is attempt to kill NZ trots forever.mitchell Kerr must get ten years plus jail.even ripping of national heros Yeah he not getting a point for that tho, its still 2-1 MVB in lead. Can't get a point if its the same topic over and over. Edited February 7, 2021 by Karrots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunedin Posted February 7, 2021 Share Posted February 7, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Karrots said: Yeah he not getting a point for that tho, its still 2-1 MVB in lead. Can't get a point if its the same topic over and over. I do understand that this vile thing Martin whatever has a agenda to ruin NZ trots.karrots what you don't understand it's only going to get worse with alot of drivers before the courts next month and it would of been a whole lot worse if someone didn't leave for usa Edited February 7, 2021 by Dunedin Re read 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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