Newmarket Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Double R said: Did Max Miller also trained from Methven at some stage or other? Cheers. Robert. Not sure about that. I know Peter Jones drove for him in his later years Quote
Richie Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 2 hours ago, Double R said: Did Max Miller also trained from Methven at some stage or other? Cheers. Robert. Yep trained from Methven for many years. Think it was early 1990s when he left Methven Quote
Newmarket Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 42 minutes ago, Richie said: Yep trained from Methven for many years. Think it was early 1990s when he left Methven So Max never trained in the Nelson area? Quote
Richie Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 41 minutes ago, Newmarket said: So Max never trained in the Nelson area? Pretty sure he moved up there after he left Methven 1 Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted June 24, 2018 Author Posted June 24, 2018 6 hours ago, Basil said: I'm going to stick up for Oldwhiteman and say he has a point. A pedantic point, and a crudely-expressed one, but a point nevertheless (if one discards all the hyperbole). I'm sure even the Gills themselves would not claim they're as important to racing as "the big guns on cup day". When I say just as important I mean they contribute to the whole product of harness racing. If those 14 trainers disappeared, and the others on the coast, then maybe the trots in Nelson and Marlborough and the lower North Island would disappear. Then the small pond would get even smaller. Obviously, the 'big guns' do contribute more. I just like to see the littler players be recognized for what they contribute. As for the abuse of the 'Gill' contribution that is plain rude. I also can't take anything in Oldwhiteman's post seriously when it refers to the big guns as being the 'All-Stars' A troll is a troll is a troll. 1 Quote
Richie Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 Graham Neill is another trainer from Mid Canterbury that moved up Nelson way. Quote
Richie Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 A couple of decades back Mid Canterbury was a thriving racing community,now there are only a handful of professional trainers and nowhere near the amount of winners coming from the area. Pat Oreilly snr,,Brian Saunders,Max Miller,Colin McLauchlan,,Dick Prendergast,Jim Ferguson,Kevin Townley ,Denise Swain,Ted Lowe,John Lischner,Bob Cameron ,John Scott to name just a few that have passed away,retired or left the area since the early 90s. 1 Quote
Newmarket Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 1 minute ago, Richie said: A couple of decades back Mid Canterbury was a thriving racing community,now there are only a handful of professional trainers and nowhere near the amount of winners coming from the area. Pat Oreilly snr,,Brian Saunders,Max Miller,Colin McLauchlan,,Dick Prendergast,Jim Ferguson,Kevin Townley ,Denise Swain,Ted Lowe,John Lischner,Bob Cameron ,John Scott to name just a few that have passed away,retired or left the area since the early 90s. Kerslake too. 1 Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted June 24, 2018 Author Posted June 24, 2018 17 minutes ago, Richie said: John Lischner His horses always seemed to be good. Cameron and Kerslake too. Quote
Flagship uberalles Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 Was Edward cowie from mid canty? He had good horses like best dream, frees best and Hondo's dream 1 Quote
hunterthepunter Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 25 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said: Was Edward cowie from mid canty? He had good horses like best dream, frees best and Hondo's dream from Canterbury flagship and had a fish n chip shop rolleston 1 Quote
Flagship uberalles Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: from Canterbury flagship and had a fish n chip shop rolleston Thanks hunter, what happened to him? A lot of his horses were free legged weren't they? Quote
hunterthepunter Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 16 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said: Thanks hunter, what happened to him? A lot of his horses were free legged weren't they? he got bowel cancer flagship past away about 15years ago Quote
Flagship uberalles Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 2 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: he got bowel cancer flagship past away about 15years ago Oh no, that's sad, thanks hunter, I sort have have missed 20 years of racing in nz having moved to the UK in 1993 and only returning to nz 4years ago. So my memories of shit loads of trainers, plenty with good horses was vaporized on my return...all the big stables in the south the de'fillipis, smolenskies, Carmichael's, robert cameron had all but disappeared and one stable domination reigned supreme!! 2 Quote
Newmarket Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 1 minute ago, LongOwner said: The Nelson trainer - Greg Hope farther ? Braedoon, a nice type. 1 Quote
Brodie Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) Eddie Cowie was a good fellah, but he was too big and heavy in the cart! His horses would go better when he let someone else drive as they were always a lot lighter! He drove the horses that Clarrie Rhodes owned! Doubt anyone can name a single driver who was heavy and good???????? Having a light driver with intelligence makes all the difference, just the same as weight can stop a galloper Edited June 24, 2018 by Brodie Quote
Newmarket Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 Just now, Brodie said: Eddie Cowie was a good fellah, but he was too big and heavy in the cart! His horses would go better when he let someone else drive as they were always a lot lighter! Doubt anyone can name a single driver who was heavy and good???????? Having a light driver with intelligence makes all the difference, just the same as weight can stop a galloper This has been mentioned before. I thought that on a grit track, little difference between heavy and light drivers. Thought Eddie had good record driving, in fact can’t remember others driving the horses you mentioned , apart from junior drivers etc Quote
Brodie Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Newmarket said: This has been mentioned before. I thought that on a grit track, little difference between heavy and light drivers. Thought Eddie had good record driving, in fact can’t remember others driving the horses you mentioned , apart from junior drivers etc I would rather have a lightweight driver on than Eddie Cowie or Eric Ryan both big men! If weight doesn’t matter then what has Dexter Dunn, Blair Orange, Mark Purdon, Natalie Rasmussen, Ricky May, John Dunn, Tony Herlihy got in common? They are pretty light weight! I am sure it is a damn site easier pulling a lightweight than a heavyweight on any surface. It is far easier to push a wheelbarrow full of bark than pushing a wheelbarrow full of concrete I can tell you, so no difference to a horse pulling a bigun! The ones that will tell you no difference are probably a tad overweight and trying to justify letting them drive rather than Dexter or Ricky! Name a good driver that is heavy and drives a lot of winners Dont recall Eddie having that good driving record, although he did drive pretty aggressively most times! Edited June 24, 2018 by Brodie Quote
hunterthepunter Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 37 minutes ago, Brodie said: Eddie Cowie was a good fellah, but he was too big and heavy in the cart! His horses would go better when he let someone else drive as they were always a lot lighter! He drove the horses that Clarrie Rhodes owned! Doubt anyone can name a single driver who was heavy and good???????? Having a light driver with intelligence makes all the difference, just the same as weight can stop a galloper eric ryan was big heavy guy and murray Edmonds is big bugger to brodie 1 Quote
Newmarket Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Eddie Cowie was a good fellah, but he was too big and heavy in the cart! His horses would go better when he let someone else drive as they were always a lot lighter! He drove the horses that Clarrie Rhodes owned! Doubt anyone can name a single driver who was heavy and good???????? Having a light driver with intelligence makes all the difference, just the same as weight can stop a galloper Brodie, Frees Best, Hondos Away, Best dream , never won a race with any other driver than Cowie, so Brodie might not be on the money on that one ?. Also trained Kahuna Pele later on, he drive that in all his wins when he trained it Quote
Newmarket Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 26 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: eric ryan was big heavy guy and murray Edmonds is big bugger to brodie Barry Purdon, big baa big ! 1 Quote
Brodie Posted June 24, 2018 Posted June 24, 2018 26 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Barry Purdon, big baa big ! Not one of our top drivers! Did win a lot of races when the Purdon horses dominated! He then decided that he was too big and decided to let the lighter boys on! Quote
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