mikeynz Posted May 16, 2021 Share Posted May 16, 2021 Nomanations close shortly,2 jumps races scheduled,will there be any interest. A good 2 track in may,unreal really,probably be better surface than Cambridge,Rotorua looked a bog on Saturday but if they transfer to Cambridge and have 10 starter limits how will that help in the event of abandonments? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 51 minutes ago, mikeynz said: Nomanations close shortly,2 jumps races scheduled,will there be any interest. A good 2 track in may,unreal really,probably be better surface than Cambridge,Rotorua looked a bog on Saturday but if they transfer to Cambridge and have 10 starter limits how will that help in the event of abandonments? That won't be an issue , because if they had xfered it a large majority would have scr'd as they require the wet track , so they would say it was justified because they still had a race meeting , even if the cup only had 10 runners . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 No jumps Thurs , assume poor nom's . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bid Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 21 minutes ago, nomates said: No jumps Thurs , assume poor nom's . Not poor noms, stipes have said the track is too firm to be running jump races. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 8 minutes ago, Bid said: Not poor noms, stipes have said the track is too firm to be running jump races. I hope the same Stipes have inspected the Steeple course at Riccarton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 I see they have canned the steeple chase for Hastings next Thursday due to the firmness of the steeple course and replaced with a jumpers flat 2500mtrs . We built A/W's to negate the loss of race meetings from too much rain , perhaps we need to build a jumps specific track which is kept relentlessly wet just to ensure we don't lose too many jumping races . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 You mock me Freda , we have to protect the future . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted May 17, 2021 Author Share Posted May 17, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, nomates said: I see they have canned the steeple chase for Hastings next Thursday due to the firmness of the steeple course and replaced with a jumpers flat 2500mtrs . We built A/W's to negate the loss of race meetings from too much rain , perhaps we need to build a jumps specific track which is kept relentlessly wet just to ensure we don't lose too many jumping races . Shift it all to Riverton🙂 And I'm not offending them,there is a reason why its greener than any other place Edited May 17, 2021 by mikeynz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 Riverton is a super track. Pity it is so far away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gospel of Judas Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 36 minutes ago, mikeynz said: Shift it all to Riverton🙂 And I'm not offending them,there is a reason why its greener than any other place Can't do that! cost too much! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted May 17, 2021 Author Share Posted May 17, 2021 6 hours ago, nomates said: That won't be an issue , because if they had xfered it a large majority would have scr'd as they require the wet track , so they would say it was justified because they still had a race meeting , even if the cup only had 10 runners . You might be right too,a lot of the tracks get a hard time in winter,its just the luck of the draw,probably what they need is just a bigger break between days,maybe losing the odd day might be a positive sometimes,who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted May 17, 2021 Author Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Gospel of Judas said: Can't do that! cost too much! It wont be long perhaps that jumps racing will probably only be in the north so does it make sense to have the Riccarton national meeting in its present scenario?,this year will be a bit of a test to see if it's still a goer. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shad Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 To dry, to wet, what next to short or to long for most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 16 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: I hope the same Stipes have inspected the Steeple course at Riccarton. As Pitty said, browntop. It'll be fine. You may recall an earlier conversation, where I mentioned that I had walked the dogs over an 'unimproved' and unwatered portion of the track, and found that the cushion was significant, despite the burnt-off appearance. A lot more 'bounce' than on the watered and green portion. That is a thought that others have had, following discussions about other renovated tracks and the issues that many have; that, despite the 'expertise' of the turf specialists, the grass types are not necessarily the best to use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 46 minutes ago, Freda said: As Pitty said, browntop. It'll be fine. You may recall an earlier conversation, where I mentioned that I had walked the dogs over an 'unimproved' and unwatered portion of the track, and found that the cushion was significant, despite the burnt-off appearance. A lot more 'bounce' than on the watered and green portion. That is a thought that others have had, following discussions about other renovated tracks and the issues that many have; that, despite the 'expertise' of the turf specialists, the grass types are not necessarily the best to use. Stick to training horses Freda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 hour ago, Freda said: As Pitty said, browntop. Good for your tennis court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 1 hour ago, curious said: Good for your tennis court. Or putting green. If the Browntop is struggling in the drought then no other grass is likely to have survived. Questionable you could even class it as a grass as it is generally classified as a weed and not common in modern pastures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 NZ BROWNTOP A lovely dark green creeping grass that requires maintenance to keep looking good. It needs drier well aerated conditions to thrive and does not respond well to over-watering or compacted soils. It can be a beautiful lawn in the right conditions and with a lot of care. Only for those serious about their lawns - or their golf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Stick to training horses Freda. I know how soft it was to walk on...and how hard the racing surface was in comparison. Again, look at the brown dry looking grass when Horlicks raced in Japan. Not saying it was the same grass but certainly different from what is used currently here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 17, 2021 Share Posted May 17, 2021 31 minutes ago, Freda said: Again, look at the brown dry looking grass when Horlicks raced in Japan. 32 years ago. I think the Japanese are relatively good learners. They have had at least two major renovations of the track surface since then. 39 minutes ago, Freda said: I know how soft it was to walk on...and how hard the racing surface was in comparison. Shouldn't there be some consistency? The more variable the surfaces the harder it is to maintain. It is clear from the disparity between the tracks and clearly defined break in colour that irrigation is not applied evenly to ALL turf surfaces. Including behind the 1200m start. That would suggest a lack of investment and opex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitman Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 On 18/05/2021 at 6:32 AM, Chief Stipe said: Stick to training horses Freda. Yes Pam do not disagree with negativity personified, you at least walked the track and know what you are talking about, not like one person that all he wants to do is make negative comments, he wouldn’t know!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 51 minutes ago, Pitman said: Yes Pam do not disagree with negativity personified, you at least walked the track and know what you are talking about, not like one person that all he wants to do is make negative comments, he wouldn’t know!!! AWT Business Case? Riccarton Turf Track renovation project plan and timeline? How many jumpers have you got in work Pitty? Pitty you have been Mr Positivity and an industry leader for the last two decades and things have only got worse. Do you think all this Positividdy is working? All I see is the same old same old mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitman Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 41 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: AWT Business Case? Are you thick, dumb or ignorant, ring Tim Mills - I have told you many times Riccarton Turf Track renovation project plan and timeline? As above How many jumpers have you got in work Pitty? None and no intention to Pitty you have been Mr Positivity and an industry leader for the last two decades and things have only got worse. Do you think all this Positividdy???? is working? Yes, I do after watching Cambridge today and the announcement coming shortly about stake increases All I see is the same old same old mistakes. YOU WOULD!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 42 minutes ago, Pitman said: Are you thick, dumb or ignorant, ring Tim Mills - I have told you many times None of those things. But obviously you like flying blind on these things. 42 minutes ago, Pitman said: Riccarton Turf Track renovation project plan and timeline? As above But you say it doesn't need renovating and as above you are flying blind. Your view is to go to church on Sunday, say a few Hail Mary's and let the boss upstairs manage the track. 42 minutes ago, Pitman said: Positividdy???? is working? Yes, I do after watching Cambridge today and the announcement coming shortly about stake increases Great news. Will they approach parity with 20 years ago in real terms? Will there be enough left over to fix the turf tracks and maintain the new AWT'S? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pitman Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 I just might know a bit more than I am prepared to admit. However it is not up to me to make public, information that may be commercially sensitive. For the last time - "Go ask Tim Mills or Jim Langan, CEO and Racing Manager of the Canterbury Jockey Club" I trust you will not harp on about this any further and give either a call or email them for the information you so desperately crave- they may make it available, I can't 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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