As Riccarton waits to trial to their AWT the days count down for Rangiora.

[Reefton]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Yet New Zealand's leading stable bases itself there for the Riccarton spring racing?

New Zealand's leading trainer?  Te Akau hasn't based itself at Rangiora during the spring for bloody years!  What planet are you on?

They had stables there but it would be a good five years since they vacated them.. They stay at Riccarton(some might cynically say so they can supervise the irrigation programme)

You think you are clever having a crack at Pitty - well I have said it before and will say it again - he doesn't need to prove anything in this game and I would listen to his opinion long before most others on here

 

[Freda]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Yet New Zealand's leading stable bases itself there for the Riccarton spring racing?

No it doesn't.

Te Akau bases at Riccarton. 

It is a good while since they had a satellite stable at Rangiora,  with ( most recently )  Neill Ridley and Lance Robinson overseeing the horses for Mark Walker and Jason Bridgeman. 

Since that practice ceased, the tangerine team is incumbent at Riccarton from September.

Edited July 27, 2021 by Freda

[Chief Stipe]

3 minutes ago, Freda said:

It is a good while since they had a satellite stable at Rangiora, 

How long is a "good while"?

[Chief Stipe]

11 minutes ago, Reefton said:

They had stables there but it would be a good five years since they vacated them..

Yeah and Lawson's accident was FIFTEEN years ago!

[Chief Stipe]

12 minutes ago, Reefton said:

You think you are clever having a crack at Pitty - well I have said it before and will say it again - he doesn't need to prove anything in this game and I would listen to his opinion long before most others on here

Well we can all watch with anticipation from the National meeting onwards on the "best hard track turf surface in New Zealand"!

[Reefton]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

It is inevitable that the coast will go , trainers wont travel there unless there is a proper circuit , as Huey says , it is their end game .

The way it's going numbers wise we will be lucky if there is racing in 25 years , look at the nom's for Saturday , simply the worst field i have seen for the Rotorua cup with a top weight rated at 84 , plus the nom's for the open races at both meetings small as well as the Ryder stakes .

And with all the positivity in the world i can't see that they have a solution to stem the decline far less improve the numbers . And studs have to take their share of the blame here , the costs associated with breeding a foal are just getting ridiculous , when put alongside the stakes the figures just don't add up , something has to give .

Everybody is clipping the ticket .

Might go - but if we do go and it is a result of lack of support that is the old economic rule of supply and demand - there was no demand for the service we supply.  I don't mind that either but in the meantime we have a very strong support base though God help us if K Myers' team ever cops a Christmas virus.  And we are lucky to be racing at that Christmas time when there are a few nags running around.

I would rather close down because of that than because John Messara decrees from the Hunter Valley that we aren't up to the job.

 

[billy connolly]

3 hours ago, Reefton said:

Don't talk shit.  Rangiora was (and is) unsafe which Reefton is not and neither is Greymouth.  Judy Lawson(who is a mate of mine) has a permanent brain injury due to the state of Rangiora and the way it was neglected.  There have been other Rangiora casualties as well.  The South Island's premier trainer for the last thirty years will not trial a horse at Rangiora and that makes a VERY relevant point.

Take it from me squire, Reefton is by far the most dangerous track in the South Island.... and Greymouth isn't far behind !

I have respect for M. Pitman but wouldn't ask (or rate his opinion) on track safety, if I wanted a correct and honest opinion on Rangiora the first and probably only person I'd ask is C. Johnson, he knows Rangiora (and so do I) better than most.

Rangiora has never been neglected, it was unsafe 60 years ago but after Kevin Berry was killed there the track was heavily banked with cambered bends etc.

The trade-off with a banked circuit like Rangiora is... when a horse falls it nearly always falls inwards which results in carnage behind as the horses following have nowhere to go and are invariably brought down as well (as in Lawson's case) whereas at the dangerous unbanked bullrings like Reefton the opposite occurs and horses usually fall outwards which is a better result for the horses following.

[Reefton]

1 minute ago, billy connolly said:

Take it from me squire, Reefton is by far the most dangerous track in the South Island.... and Greymouth isn't far behind !

I have respect for M. Pitman but wouldn't ask (or rate his opinion) on track safety, if I wanted a correct and honest opinion on Rangiora the first and probably only person I'd ask is C. Johnson, he knows Rangiora (and so do I) better than most.

Rangiora has never been neglected, it was unsafe 60 years ago but after Kevin Berry was killed there the track was heavily banked with cambered bends etc.

The trade-off with a banked circuit like Rangiora is... when a horse falls it nearly always falls inwards which results in carnage behind as the horses following have nowhere to go and are invariably brought down as well (as in Lawson's case) whereas at the dangerous unbanked bullrings like Reefton the opposite occurs and horses usually fall outwards which is a better result for the horses following.

Facts please to back up what you have just said.  Can you tell me the last time someone had a serious brain injury due to a fall at Reefton(Rangiora J Lawson), the last time someone was killed at Reefton(Rangiora J McGartland) and the last time someone was paralysed at Reefton(Rangiora J Jamieson.)

And further can you explain why after the Judy Lawson incident it was agreed by NZTR that Rangiora would never be raced on again.  Strange for a track that is so safe to have all those black marks against it.  Chris Johnson deserves to be listened to but there was at least one other very successful Southern rider who refused to ride even trials there after Judy's accident. 

 

[Reefton]

And another thing - if Reefton is so frigging dangerous and Rangiora is so safe how come Reefton races on and Rangiora is shut?

I know they aren't that sharp at NZTR but I don't think they are that bloody thick!

 

 

 

[Chief Stipe]

11 minutes ago, Reefton said:

And further can you explain why after the Judy Lawson incident it was agreed by NZTR that Rangiora would never be raced on again.  Strange for a track that is so safe to have all those black marks against it.  Chris Johnson deserves to be listened to but there was at least one other very successful Southern rider who refused to ride even trials there after Judy's accident. 

J Mcgartland 2002 Clipped heels and was trampled by following horses.
J Lawson 2006 - injured.
J Jamison 1992 - injured.

Was the track a contributing factor in each of those?

Should we list ALL the other seriously injured jockey falls throughout the country?

Hewison
McRae
Black
Mundy

Many Canterbury trainers have no hesitation in trialling at Rangiora.

[Chief Stipe]

13 minutes ago, Reefton said:

And another thing - if Reefton is so frigging dangerous and Rangiora is so safe how come Reefton races on and Rangiora is shut?

Rangiora has had regular trials and gets more work on it than Reefton.

[nomates]

45 minutes ago, Reefton said:

Might go - but if we do go and it is a result of lack of support that is the old economic rule of supply and demand - there was no demand for the service we supply.  I don't mind that either but in the meantime we have a very strong support base though God help us if K Myers' team ever cops a Christmas virus.  And we are lucky to be racing at that Christmas time when there are a few nags running around.

I would rather close down because of that than because John Messara decrees from the Hunter Valley that we aren't up to the job.

 

But is it's demise going to be by supply and demand when policy is what is restricting the success of the coast circuit . If they get their way and you guys go and what is left is as precarious as you suggest what trainer from far afield is going to risk the trip , if they don't come how long till a large proportion of the locals give up , even if you guys exist for many more years as i said horse supply , hence racing stock , is becoming thin on the ground , even in established areas such as the CD .

Even the Xmas /New Year circuit in the CD is becoming skinnier by the season .

My worry as i stated is i see no plans or ideas to stymie the decline of racing stock , how long till only maybe 10/15% of horses bred are left to race in NZ , could well see racing down to 1/2 meetings a week , nationwide . This will be poo poo'd and called negative by some but the figures don't lie .

[curious]

1 hour ago, Gospel of Judas said:

My, my, what a weak call we have from Brent. Thing is Brent, you never have guts to say that to my face, because you are nothing keyboard warrior. What makes you perfect fool for LJM.

Sorry, you've completely lost me.

[JJ Flash]

6 minutes ago, curious said:

Sorry, you've completely lost me.

He does that to others quite often with his posts. So, your not alone .

[curious]

34 minutes ago, JJ Flash said:

He does that to others quite often with his posts. So, your not alone .

Haha thanks!

The comment he referred to had nothing to do with GoJ. I haven't a clue who he or she is even. It was a play on words joke which I think most people got.

What the heck it had to do with LJM is beyond me. Perhaps he'll explain.

[Gospel of Judas]

1 hour ago, curious said:

Sorry, you've completely lost me.

Playing sad we games Brent, not great look for you. But hey, if that all got these days. Then we will leave you to it.

[Gospel of Judas]

26 minutes ago, curious said:

Haha thanks!

The comment he referred to had nothing to do with GoJ. I haven't a clue who he or she is even. It was a play on words joke which I think most people got.

What the heck it had to do with LJM is beyond me. Perhaps he'll explain.

Everyone knows, you are one of LJM we minions. So, give up the games. Put that great masters of yours, to some use.

[Chief Stipe]

Just now, Gospel of Judas said:

Everyone knows, you are one of LJM we minions. So, give up the games. Put that great masters of yours, to some use.

Actually I think you'll find @curious has far more independence of thought than you give him credit for.  

[Gospel of Judas]

1 hour ago, JJ Flash said:

He does that to others quite often with his posts. So, your not alone .

Trust our we minion, to current regime, to turn up. How's that spin doctoring job of yours going? must get plenty of work . Was I abit correct you were low rate communications grads? Got a good we reply from you, did it not!

[billy connolly]

12 hours ago, Reefton said:

if Reefton is so frigging dangerous and Rangiora is so safe how come Reefton races on and Rangiora is shut?

Didn't say Rangiora was safe, no track is 100% safe. What I said was Rangiora by its nature causes the field to race tighter than they would on an uncambered 1000m track like Reefton and as stated earlier, if a horse falls at Rangiora it invariably takes others with it which was the case with Lawson, McGartland and Jamieson.

I should quantify that I have nothing against Reefton per se... have won the Reefton Cup (and 3 ounces of gold) in the past and have always enjoyed the atmosphere and hospitality afforded by Reefton as no doubt many others have.
 

[Shad]

Those that have ridden many races on those small tracks would have much valued opinion in my view, without criticizing anyone else opinion, used to enjoy a days racing at rangiora many years ago, would there be any changes that could be made to deem it safer, in the eyes of the officials, trials do seem to go quite well there.Billy C was that horse you won the Reefton Cup with a horse by Spectacular love, may have been there that day, was many a year ago.

[JJ Flash]

17 hours ago, Gospel of Judas said:

Trust our we minion, to current regime, to turn up. How's that spin doctoring job of yours going? must get plenty of work . Was I abit correct you were low rate communications grads? Got a good we reply from you, did it not!

I try to leave the stupid posts to you and the few others who bother to post on here now. Apart from Reefton and Freda there's not much to write home about. 

BTW, were you one of the naysayers who attacked me saying i thought the TAB payout for 21/22 season would be 170 plus. 

Seems as though i was correct again but dont Tell Chiefy ,Nomates and the king clown Huey. It would spoil there miserable day which they display on here every time they post

Edited July 27, 2021 by JJ Flash

[CustardSquare]

On 7/26/2021 at 12:04 PM, nomates said:

If the CJC sell it , which they will , shouldn't the money go into the NZTR bank ? , for the betterment of the industry , after all , all tracks are "owned " by the industry aren't they .

If it doesn't go into the industry fund wouldn't that be setting a precedent for other clubs to say " fine we will sell it but we are keeping the money as well " .

So long as the money from the sale of clubs/land is going "back into the industry" then clubs can sell... Asked the same regarding Ellerslie Hill, thought it would have to go to NZTR as you say "all tracks are "owned" by the industry"...

[Chief Stipe]

19 minutes ago, CustardSquare said:

So long as the money from the sale of clubs/land is going "back into the industry" then clubs can sell.

But only if their constitution allows it.  Hence NZTR playing games a couple of years or more ago to rewrite club constitutions.

[Huey]

1 hour ago, JJ Flash said:

I try to leave the stupid posts to you and the few others who bother to post on here now. Apart from Reefton and Freda there's not much to write home about. 

BTW, were you one of the naysayers who attacked me saying i thought the TAB payout for 21/22 season would be 170 plus. 

Seems as though i was correct again but dont Tell Chiefy ,Nomates and the king clown Huey. It would spoil there miserable day which they display on here every time they post

Good on you "Fairy Flash" for predicting the obvious! 

Like I have said a gazillion times before , if distributions can't improve based on the cuts this lot have made to the industry then nothing ever will, cuts however have a way of concealing the future in any industry, racing will be no different - so hold onto your fairy bread and enjoy the ride.

Miserable??? ....hardly I'm rubbing my hands together in glee its not long now till my slow slugs can run around for $12k midweek!!!