Reefton Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 I just see that Stephen McKee is giving up training. Isn't NZTR doing a magnificent job keeping standards, conditions and morale up in the industry? And all the while they hound the likes of poor old Dargaville to try and alienate some more sectors of the industry 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 6 minutes ago, Reefton said: I just see that Stephen McKee is giving up training. Isn't NZTR doing a magnificent job keeping standards, conditions and morale up in the industry? And all the while they hound the likes of poor old Dargaville to try and alienate some more sectors of the industry Many more to come Reefton , but we will be told that this and others are not an indication of a struggling industry , or that those charged with administering it are showing precious little idea of how dire the situation is , they are how ever showing that they have very little idea on how to improve it . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, nomates said: Many more to come Reefton , but we will be told that this and others are not an indication of a struggling industry , or that those charged with administering it are showing precious little idea of how dire the situation is , they are how ever showing that they have very little idea on how to improve it . Don't think they are interested to be fair. So long as their fat salaries go into the bank every Thursday they don't give a stuff. And of course when they get their paws on the Dargaville money they will have some more to piss up against the wall. It is just a frigging joke. And we have a Chairman who spends his life in Aussie. Whats that song about playing the ukelele as the ship went down? S McKee is the first really high profile trainer to go though and that is disturbing. I imagine he would have been disillusioned with the outcome of that court case but this was bit of a shock to me anyway 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Wait until all those based at the abandoned tracks start to pull the pins. At least we have $50m worth of AWTs for maidens and 65s, but I somehow doubt that will stem the tide. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Reefton said: S McKee is the first really high profile trainer to go though and that is disturbing. I imagine he would have been disillusioned with the outcome of that court case but this was bit of a shock to me anyway Think I read somewhere that David and Emma Haworth are also pulling pin. Programming is atrocious. 2 non-industry day R65 1200s in the CD between mid September and mid-November. How could you warrant putting one back in work? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, curious said: Think I read somewhere that David and Emma Haworth are also pulling pin. Programming is atrocious. 2 non-industry day R65 1200s in the CD between mid September and mid-November. How could you warrant putting one back in work? The 2yo's are going to be interesting in the CD , only 6 at the jumpouts last week , none at the trials on Tuesday at Foxton . First 2yo race is at Wanganui on the 4th of September , 800mtrs , next race for them is nearly 6 weeks later at Palmy over 1100mtrs in the middle of October . So no incentive to get ready for Wanganui when you have to wait that long for the next one . As for the Haworth's i believe Emma is going to Latta's but i see the have had one down at Riccarton this week , might be having one last hurrah before pulling pin .Horowhenua getting thin on the ground for bigger stables , Searle , Zimmerman , Cookson all had decent sized numbers but all gone from the district , and don't believe Benner will staying till he retires . I kelly would probably have one of the bigger stables in the district now . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) 18 minutes ago, nomates said: The 2yo's are going to be interesting in the CD , only 6 at the jumpouts last week , none at the trials on Tuesday at Foxton . First 2yo race is at Wanganui on the 4th of September , 800mtrs , next race for them is nearly 6 weeks later at Palmy over 1100mtrs in the middle of October . So no incentive to get ready for Wanganui when you have to wait that long for the next one . As for the Haworth's i believe Emma is going to Latta's but i see the have had one down at Riccarton this week , might be having one last hurrah before pulling pin .Horowhenua getting thin on the ground for bigger stables , Searle , Zimmerman , Cookson all had decent sized numbers but all gone from the district , and don't believe Benner will staying till he retires . I kelly would probably have one of the bigger stables in the district now . Hard to see how Foxton can stay open if they go and if the AWT comes to Awapuni probably no trial business either. Chrissy Bambry maybe Suzie Gordon the only significant remainders. Edited August 12, 2021 by curious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 3 hours ago, Doomed said: Wait until all those based at the abandoned tracks start to pull the pins. At least we have $50m worth of AWTs for maidens and 65s, but I somehow doubt that will stem the tide. Bernard and his cohorts think they'll head for the AWTs, but Reefton is right they don't care. They certainly haven't got a clue! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 It's time people! Time to send in "Fairy Flash" for the pep talk to revitalise the industry! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 34 minutes ago, Huey said: It's time people! Time to send in "Fairy Flash" for the pep talk to revitalise the industry! Are you positive ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted August 12, 2021 Author Share Posted August 12, 2021 3 hours ago, curious said: Hard to see how Foxton can stay open if they go and if the AWT comes to Awapuni probably no trial business either. Chrissy Bambry maybe Suzie Gordon the only significant remainders. Yes and then inevitably you will run into the same land grab that Dargaville is currently fighting. it is bloody sad and bloody disillusioning(if that is a word) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 9 hours ago, curious said: Think I read somewhere that David and Emma Haworth are also pulling pin. Programming is atrocious. 2 non-industry day R65 1200s in the CD between mid September and mid-November. How could you warrant putting one back in work? Yes, chatting to Emma yesterday, she is working for Latta ( loves it ) a few of her former team have gone to Lisa with her, and David is puttering along with one or two others for now. Just had a gutsful of working her arse off, getting nowhere financially and having no life. Wrt Sticko - I think he had a significant health issue a wee while ago, and that, as well as the court case ( which must have been horrendous for him and his family) may have had a bit to do with his decision. Not that I am defending the administration. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 13 hours ago, curious said: Hard to see how Foxton can stay open if they go and if the AWT comes to Awapuni probably no trial business either. That's a crime against grass roots racing. Perfectly good RACE track to be mothballed so an artificial surface that no one really wants to race on let alone wager on can be built floating on a swamp. Brilliant strategy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 Looking at the cv's of these 'decision' makers, don't you ask yourself the question, how on earth did they get to the positions they hold? The people accountable for these appointments are teflon coated, and more importantly, no one was held to account.......social media can be unforgiving, and in many cases rightly so, De Lore has his critics but he nails it mostly, the majority of us know why the TAB traded as insolvent, what I can't figure though is how McKenzie and his mob are able to draw those sickening salaries when CD trainers are eating the paint, and the SI trainers with a few exceptions aren't far behind........the outlay for the AWT will NEVER be recouped, it's gone forever, a few Toowoomba trainers pissed their pants when they learned of the NZ folly, and no-one thought to pick up the phone? Where's that bloke from RACE gone, tell me again?........shoot me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: Looking at the cv's of these 'decision' makers, don't you ask yourself the question, how on earth did they get to the positions they hold Because the persons making the decisions have CV's no better than those they decide to employ . It's a rather large lazy susan of suits employing each other , they hop on and off at will . 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 11 hours ago, Huey said: Bernard and his cohorts think they'll head for the AWTs, but Reefton is right they don't care. They certainly haven't got a clue! I think that is the cause of the whole problem "they haven't got a clue". You do wonder how the whole industry has come to be controlled by people with no real idea, and no passion for Racing. There is hardly a single thing they have done that makes you think "now that was a really good idea". There are so many indicators of where things are going wrong, but nothing done to address it. I see the interprovincial thing has stuff all noms, and that is a $60,000 race for 82s. It really has done its dash. On the positive side I see they have realised we might have too many black type races and we might be a bit of a laughing stock. I have seen people comment along the lines - "how could she be worth so little as a brood mare, she won a NZ Group 1". Really! But can't you just see them cocking that up when they try to cull some group races. I can see major problems coming up with industry races for $12,000 and feature days at $40,000. $12,000 on the AWTs and $40,000 on the heavy 11s. It is hard to be optimistic. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 10 minutes ago, Doomed said: There are so many indicators of where things are going wrong, but nothing done to address it. I see the interprovincial thing has stuff all noms, and that is a $60,000 race for 82s. Why bother when you can race in the Grp3 Winter Cup for $100,000 and the average rating is 78! Paying $1,500 in stakes for running 10th!!!! But it's all good! @JJ Flash reckons Mackenzie, Saundry and Co are doing great! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 15 minutes ago, Doomed said: There are so many indicators of where things are going wrong, but nothing done to address it. I see the interprovincial thing has stuff all noms, and that is a $60,000 race for 82s. It really has done its dash. That is the problem in a nutshell , we are on a constant repeat , season on season , we keep doing the same thing , programming , ratings are a shambles , nothing new and refreshing , but we all know how it ends when we keep following the old adage of keeping on doing the same thing . 17 minutes ago, Doomed said: On the positive side I see they have realised we might have too many black type races and we might be a bit of a laughing stock. I have seen people comment along the lines - "how could she be worth so little as a brood mare, she won a NZ Group 1". Really! But can't you just see them cocking that up when they try to cull some group races. Large part of this driven by breeders , they want black type for their fillies and broodmares , if you look at our listed races especially , very poor races in main , Rotorua cup a prime example , they are just cornflakes black type . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: Why bother when you can race in the Grp3 Winter Cup for $100,000 and the average rating is 78! Paying $1,500 in stakes for running 10th!!!! But it's all good! @JJ Flash reckons Mackenzie, Saundry and Co are doing great! Did they clone Fasthorse and the result is JJ Flash? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Joe Bloggs said: Did they clone Fasthorse and the result is JJ Flash? A bit rough on Fasthorse . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 He's got one in today race 6 , at 31's , has won a trial and went a fair race last time at Otaki when stuck on the inside . Worth a gold coin . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted August 12, 2021 Share Posted August 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, nomates said: He's got one in today race 6 , at 31's , has won a trial and went a fair race last time at Otaki when stuck on the inside . Worth a gold coin . Go you good thing! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 12/08/2021 at 10:13 PM, Reefton said: Yes and then inevitably you will run into the same land grab that Dargaville is currently fighting. it is bloody sad and bloody disillusioning(if that is a word) No land grab. The Crown owns the land (Manawatu Racecourse Act 1869). The land (the Awahou Block) was originally granted by Maori for racing use in 1855 and subsequently purchased by the Crown. Anyway, Foxton Beach is still there and when I checked the other day, the caretaker is doing a fantastic job with the tracks and the water walker was also working perfectly. We'll also have an AWT 20 minutes away shortly won't we? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reefton Posted August 13, 2021 Author Share Posted August 13, 2021 3 hours ago, curious said: No land grab. The Crown owns the land (Manawatu Racecourse Act 1869). The land (the Awahou Block) was originally granted by Maori for racing use in 1855 and subsequently purchased by the Crown. Anyway, Foxton Beach is still there and when I checked the other day, the caretaker is doing a fantastic job with the tracks and the water walker was also working perfectly. We'll also have an AWT 20 minutes away shortly won't we? Well that must be a relief. No wonder they haven't been eyeing Foxton up already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 13, 2021 Share Posted August 13, 2021 3 hours ago, curious said: We'll also have an AWT 20 minutes away shortly won't we? Wouldn't it be irresponsible of NZTR and Awapuni to go ahead with adding more cost to the industry? Unless of course the revenue figures from Cambridge are outstanding. As for the Foxton Beach water walker fantastic that the water is completely renewed twice a day powered by lunar power. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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