Happy Sunrise Posted July 8, 2018 Posted July 8, 2018 What do you think? Value? Lack of value? Quality of field? Needs Aussies? All-Stars benefit? There are probably 5 or 6 who are not up to it but that leaves about 18 so with some Aussies it will be a full field. Quote
Brodie Posted July 8, 2018 Posted July 8, 2018 AllStar benefit , especially since they have got plenty of time for the mainly therapeutic treatments. Quote
hunterthepunter Posted July 8, 2018 Posted July 8, 2018 tab do they no what they are doing micky gee is on the list has been sold to usa weeks ago 2 Quote
Rangatira Posted July 8, 2018 Posted July 8, 2018 compared to sheriff I think pats delight is a better bet based on prices but dont know if its value Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted July 8, 2018 Author Posted July 8, 2018 22 minutes ago, Newmarket said: Do they have a option for -Others? They don't expose themselves like that! They have 9 horses at 11s or less. The chances of that on Cup Day are somewhat remote. Quote
Gavin Posted July 8, 2018 Posted July 8, 2018 Is it just me or does that Cup field not excite in the same way it did in years gone by when your saw names like Lord Module, Hands Down, Bonnie's Chance, Armalite, Blossom Lady, Chokin, Yulestar, Terror To Love etc etc? The good old days where the race was not just a benefit for one stable. 1 Quote
Newmarket Posted July 9, 2018 Posted July 9, 2018 On 9/07/2018 at 6:42 AM, Gavin said: Is it just me or does that Cup field not excite in the same way it did in years gone by when your saw names like Lord Module, Hands Down, Bonnie's Chance, Armalite, Blossom Lady, Chokin, Yulestar, Terror To Love etc etc? The good old days where the race was not just a benefit for one stable. Too true. Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted July 10, 2018 Author Posted July 10, 2018 On 9/07/2018 at 6:42 AM, Gavin said: Is it just me or does that Cup field not excite in the same way it did in years gone by when your saw names like Lord Module, Hands Down, Bonnie's Chance, Armalite, Blossom Lady, Chokin, Yulestar, Terror To Love etc etc? The good old days where the race was not just a benefit for one stable. Can anyone tell me the last rivalry in harness racing? When two or three horses went at it to and fro in big races on a consistent basis? Can anyone look at the list of horses nominated and name who are the open class warriors challenging to win the NZ Cup after going so close last year? Is anyone excited by the fact one stable has 5 of the 7 horses at the top of the market? Is anyone actually interested in the opening of a (tight) market because they are keen on a horse who looks they could sneak a NZ Cup over the favourites? Is the TAB actually interested when they put a horse in the field who has supposedly been exported? Does anybody know the individual characteristics and personality of the horses involved like a Hands Down? I might be a bit harsh but I don't know, it doesn't excite me like it used to. Oddly I would look forward to the Dominion Handicap Trot more than the NZ Cup but that might be going too far. Quote
Brodie Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 Happy you are on the money, however we need to bring over The Orgasmic One from over the way. He will paint another picture and put a bit of excitement into it. Goooooooooo yeehhhhhhhhhhh booooooooy, go the mighty AllStars! Keep that blooooooood transfusion or whatever it is for mainly therapeutic purposes solely going. Yeah we can run the first five in the NZ CUP, we are the most professional, stuff everyone else, doesn’t matter if we stuff the industry as long as we scoop most of stake money on Cup day, gooooooooo you good thing! Yee haa Iraklis 1 1 1 Quote
Flagship uberalles Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Happy Sunrise said: Can anyone tell me the last rivalry in harness racing? When two or three horses went at it to and fro in big races on a consistent basis. Maybe gold sovereign and terror to love for a while??? But other than that, I can only go back to the 70s and 80s as Newmarket said hands down, Bonnie's chance, armalight, delightful lady.....some good 3yos +4yos mid 80s samson, loveridge, mastermood, nardinski.....your right about a lot of the excitement gone (unless your an owner) I hate knowing some big races are forgone conclusions! Quote
Flagship uberalles Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Brodie said: Happy you are on the money, however we need to bring over The Orgasmic One from over the way. He will paint another picture and put a bit of excitement into it. Goooooooooo yeehhhhhhhhhhh booooooooy, go the mighty AllStars! Keep that blooooooood transfusion or whatever it is for mainly therapeutic purposes solely going. Yeah we can run the first five in the NZ CUP, we are the most professional, stuff everyone else, doesn’t matter if we stuff the industry as long as we scoop most of stake money on Cup day, gooooooooo you good thing! Yee haa Iraklis Didya didya see the rocks bbbbbrodie.....mmmm these mushrooms are tasty 2 Quote
Double R Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 On 8/07/2018 at 9:05 PM, Happy Sunrise said: What do you think? Value? Lack of value? Quality of field? Needs Aussies? All-Stars benefit? There are probably 5 or 6 who are not up to it but that leaves about 18 so with some Aussies it will be a full field. Another three horses added to the list today, and obviously someone is betting already as some odds have altered. Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted July 10, 2018 Author Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said: Didya didya see the rocks However, an at his best Heaven Rocks V Lazarus on a consistent basis would be exciting. No doubt the horse flesh was there for a rivalry. Problem is with exported horses, Aussie racing, different programmes for different horses (not like the old days of Kurow Cup and the Flying Stakes!) it just never eventuates anymore. The closest thing we could hope for in a rivalry is one between 2-year-olds that goes into the 3-year-old races. Problem is there always seems to be a dominant horse. Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted July 10, 2018 Author Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Double R said: Another three horses added to the list today, and obviously someone is betting already as some odds have altered. Indeed DR. The TAB is just a con job when it comes to these markets. Soho Tribeca, Chicago Bull and Dom Domingo (really!) Quote
Flagship uberalles Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: However, an at his best Heaven Rocks V Lazarus on a consistent basis would be exciting. No doubt the horse flesh was there for a rivalry. Problem is with exported horses, Aussie racing, different programmes for different horses (not like the old days of Kurow Cup and the Flying Stakes!) it just never eventuates anymore. The closest thing we could hope for in a rivalry is one between 2-year-olds that goes into the 3-year-old races. Problem is there always seems to be a dominant horse. And hard when top 3 in each age group generally from one barn, doesn't feel like a rivalry 1 Quote
Newmarket Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 Been some bloody good match ups over the years. Starship - tuapeka knight, Basil Dean -Sir Castleton, Carabella-Better Cover, Poppy-Gammalite just to name a few, will be plenty more. But yes your right, nothing now 1 Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted July 10, 2018 Author Posted July 10, 2018 Those betting into Chicago Bull are keen, even if he was 26s. Not sure 'very much on the agenda' is 70-30! Chase Auckland no certainty? He is an awful bet at 6 50 with the information below Because while trainer Mark Purdon has confirmed the superstar three-year-old will be nominated for the great race, he is anything but certain to start. Quote
Brodie Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 As you know I wouldnt generally invest on the NZ Cup at all. However, it is early July and approx 16 weeks out from the race, Unless it was an Ozzie horse that you knew was definitely coming over which is also very risky 16 weeks out, would not be worth the effort, and it would have to be major overs. 1 Quote
Flagship uberalles Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Those betting into Chicago Bull are keen, even if he was 26s. Not sure 'very much on the agenda' is 70-30! Chase Auckland no certainty? He is an awful bet at 6 50 with the information below Because while trainer Mark Purdon has confirmed the superstar three-year-old will be nominated for the great race, he is anything but certain to start. I will probably have to eat my words, but I have never rated chase Auckland, I think his generation of 3yos were the worst for a long time. 1 Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted July 10, 2018 Author Posted July 10, 2018 Chicago Bull's win price is suspended but the 6 50FF for a top 3 finish might be the much better bet in the long run if people are keen to bet on him. Quote
Flagship uberalles Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: Chicago Bull's win price is suspended but the 6 50FF for a top 3 finish might be the much better bet in the long run if people are keen to bet on him. I would have a bit of that happy...I got lambasted by that first class w..ker ftm for picking it to win the idoms at odds, while he bought some more ky jelly with the $1.31 he got offshore for Lazarus!! 1 1 Quote
Spatchcock Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 That market is completely absurd. Why are we even talking about this. Chicago Bull is a sucker bet - Hall will never come... and if he does, Addington is a lot bigger than Gloucester Park. Quote
Happy Sunrise Posted July 10, 2018 Author Posted July 10, 2018 52 minutes ago, Spatchcock said: That market is completely absurd. Why are we even talking about this. Chicago Bull is a sucker bet - Hall will never come... and if he does, Addington is a lot bigger than Gloucester Park. Mr Guerin is promoting Chicago. Bull? 1 Quote
Nowornever Posted July 10, 2018 Posted July 10, 2018 I am picking Ultimate Machete will be sub $3.00 on Cup day $5.50 good value for mine. Quote
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