Rangatira Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 re (1) the BGP punters club getting yesterdays loss of $28,641 covered by the TAB (2) that all 3 codes don't share the benefits when the bets are on off shore events. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Dont forget Ranga that BGP can get large amounts on as well, and rightly so. This is TB's , the code that will survive🤭 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 28, 2021 Author Share Posted August 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Dont forget Ranga that BGP can get large amounts on as well, and rightly so. Yes betting like spastics earns that right. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 Final update The Punters Club pool finished up with $257,774, $28,641 down on the starting pool of $286,415. The TAB have topped the pool back up to the starting amount so everyone gets refunded in full. 7:48pmTotal bets placed: $506,091 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $257,774 7:50pm: Belmont Race 8: 2 Too Close the Sun and 4 Samizdat QUINELLA: $7,226 @ $3.70 to return $26,736 - MISSED 7:33pmTotal bets placed: $498,865 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $265,000 7:35pm: Morphettville Race 9: 14 Great Diviner WIN: $5,000 @ $5.50 to return $27,500 - MISSED 7:20pmTotal bets placed: $493,865 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $270,000 7:20pm: Caulfield Race 9: 11 Ayrton and 12 King Magnus QUINELLA: $50,000 @ $5.40 to return $270,000 - WINNER 7:09pmTotal bets placed: $443,865 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $50,000 7:10pm: Kembla Grange Race 10: 13 Yiyi WIN: $70,000 @ $3.30 to return $231,000 - MISSED 6:42pmTotal bets placed: $373,865 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $120,000 6:45pm: Caulfield Race 8: 10 Tofane WIN: $50,000 @ $3.00 to return $150,000 - MISSED 6:30pmTotal bets placed: $323,865 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $170,000 6:30pm: Kembla Grange Race 8: 11 Sixgun TOP3: $20,950 @ $2.30 to return $47,150 - MISSED 6:22pmTotal bets placed: $302,915 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $190,950 6:20pm: Morphettville Race 7: 6 Ritratto WIN: $10,000 @ $6.00 to return $60,000 - MISSED 6:09pmTotal bets placed: $292,915 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $200,950 6:10pm: Caulfield Race 8: 12 Bartholomeu Dias WIN: $11,000 @ $5.50 to return $60,500 - MISSED 6:10pm: Caulfield Race 8: 12 Bartholomeu Dias WIN: $11,000 @ $2.10 to return $23,100 - MISSED 5:57pmTotal bets placed: $270,915 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $222,950 6:02pm: Doomben Race 8: 6 At Witz End WIN: $10,000 @ $5.50 to return $55,000 - MISSED 6:02pm: Doomben Race 8: 6 At Witz End TOP3: $10,000 @ $2.10 to return $21,000 - WINNER 5:30pmTotal bets placed: $250,915 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $221,950 5:30pm: Caulfield Race 6: 1 Probabeel WIN: $20,500 @ $1.90 to return $38,950 - WINNER 4:49pmTotal bets placed: $230,415 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $158,500 4:50pm: Caulfield Race 5: 1 Masked Crusader WIN: $15,000 @ $1.90 to return $28,500 - WINNER 4:08pmTotal bets placed: $215,415 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $145,000 4:10pm: Caulfield Race 4: 2 General Beau WIN: $30,000 @ $3.60 to return $108,000 - MISSED 4:10pm: Caulfield Race 4: 1 Artorius, 2 General Beau QUINELLA: $10,000 @ $4.40 to return $44,000 - MISSED 3:58pmTotal bets placed: $175,415 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $185,000 4:10pm: Caulfield Race 4: 1st - 2 General Beau : 2nd 1 Artorius EXACTA: $5,000 @ $9.30 to return $46,500 - MISSED 3:40pmTotal bets placed: $170,415 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $190,000 3:46pm: Warracknabeal Race 3: 9 Fortunate Kiss (FFW) into Morphettville Race 4: 8 Kong (FFW) MULTI: $20,000 @ $8.40 to return $168,000 - MISSED 3:20pmTotal bets placed: $150,415 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $210,000 3:30pm: Caulfield Race 3: 2 Annavisto WINSURANCE (2nd): $40,000 @ $3.30 to return $132,000 - REFUND 2:44pmTotal bets placed: $110,415 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $210,000 2:55pm: Caulfield Race 2: 8 Deep Speed WIN: $10,000 @ $4.80 to return $48,000 - MISSED 2:23pmTotal bets placed: $100,415 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $186,000 2:48pm: Doomben Race 3: 13 Miami Fleiss WIN: $20,000 @ $1.70 to return $34,000 - WINNER 1:55pmTotal bets placed: $80,415 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $206,000 4:42pm: Doomben Race 6: 5 Weona Smartone (FFW) into Doomben Race 7: 1 Prince of Boom (FFW) MULTI: $30,415 @ $3.30 to return $100,370 - MISSED 1:00pmTotal bets placed: $50,000 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $236,415 5:10pm: Kembla Grange Race 7: 3 Quick Thinker WIN: $5,000 @ $15 to return $75,000 - MISSED*was $17, but deduction applied 5:10pm: Kembla Grange Race 7: 3 Quick Thinker TOP3: $5,000 @ $4.00 to return $20,000 - MISSED*was $4.50, but deduction applied 5:30pm: Caulfield Race 6: 1 Probabeel WIN: $20,000 @ $2.25* to return $45,000 - WINNER*was $2.50, but deduction applied with SCR of La Mexicana 5:41pm: Morphettville Race 6: 6 Lakes Folly WINSURANCE (2nd and 3rd): $20,000 @ $10 to return $200,000 - MISSED Note: Punters Club entries are now closed Want to be part of Saturday's Boys Get Paid Punters Club? 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Chief Stipe Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: Dont forget Ranga that BGP can get large amounts on as well, and rightly so. This is TB's , the code that will survive🤭 Lockdown delusion syndrome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 28, 2021 Share Posted August 28, 2021 8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: 6:09pmTotal bets placed: $292,915 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $200,950 6:10pm: Caulfield Race 8: 12 Bartholomeu Dias WIN: $11,000 @ $5.50 to return $60,500 - MISSED 6:10pm: Caulfield Race 8: 12 Bartholomeu Dias WIN: $11,000 @ $2.10 to return $23,100 - MISSED 5:57pmTotal bets placed: $270,915 | Starting balance: $286,415 | Current balance: $222,950 6:02pm: Doomben Race 8: 6 At Witz End WIN: $10,000 @ $5.50 to return $55,000 - MISSED 6:02pm: Doomben Race 8: 6 At Witz End TOP3: $10,000 @ $2.10 to return $21,000 - WINNER A couple of questions for the punting experts out there: Why would you take two bets at the same time for widely different amounts? How do you get widely different Fixed Odds Win prices when bets placed at the same time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: A couple of questions for the punting experts out there: Why would you take two bets at the same time for widely different amounts? How do you get widely different Fixed Odds Win prices when bets placed at the same time? Pretty sure the 2nd 11k was a Top 3 bet. Things were pretty frantic at that stage so just a typo I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 14 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Pretty sure the 2nd 11k was a Top 3 bet. Things were pretty frantic at that stage so just a typo I think. A typo twice? But I guess the Top 3 explains both examples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 22 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: A couple of questions for the punting experts out there: Why would you take two bets at the same time for widely different amounts? How do you get widely different Fixed Odds Win prices when bets placed at the same time? You have to laugh when you look at those bets.I guess its not their money,it would be like an imaginary game. Good on the TAB for giving the losses back. Its a good PR decision. They are a business, and it will help the tab long term. Anyone participating in the BGP syndicate should realise that. The TAB of course play the long game,and know the overall figures. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 11 minutes ago, the galah said: Good on the TAB for giving the losses back. Its a good PR decision. Sorry a "PR Decision" is presumably a marketing descison. A good marketing decision must met economic value criteria be it short or long in term. How is this decision going to add value? Particularly when it isn't the first time that the BGP and Luke Kerney have been favoured financially by a substantial amount. @the galah you seem to allow TAB NZ a free reign when managing what is effectively industry funding with the rationale "it is their business and they know what they are doing"! Their "long game" hasn't been all that successful to date and has been reliant on non-wagering revenue. As is the coming year. Wouldn't that indicate that they DON'T know how to play the "long game"? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, the galah said: The TAB of course play the long game,and know the overall figures. Like a Game of Monopoly ! 50 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: you seem to allow TAB NZ a free reign when managing what is effectively industry funding with the rationale "it is their business and they know what they are doing" Well have been tinkering with my NZ Monopoly Board !!! (if unfamiliar with the game, it is all about assembling wealth through investment in the better properties and Infrastructure) The richer properties do well the poorer ones sadly don't get invested in as much ............ I'm re-naming some lol.. 1 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Like a Game of Monopoly ! Well have been tinkering with my NZ Monopoly Board !!! (if unfamiliar with the game, it is all about assembling wealth through investment in the better properties and Infrastructure) The richer properties do well the poorer ones sadly don't get invested in as much ............ I'm re-naming some lol.. Great stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) Sorry, but I do not follow the Boys Get Paid stuff and never participated in it! However, what have I missed? Has the NZ TAB gifted this betting outfit over $20K????? If they have, then they are an absolute disgrace!!!! They gift losing punters $ so that they can punt so much more?? And yet other genuine punters are not even allowed to place the bets that they want!!!!! If this is true then the NZ TAB are far bigger DICKHEADS with their business plan than I thought! Why is this BGP group get preferential treatment, however it does not surprise me as I have been on the end of unpreferential treatment for many years! Disgusting!! Hope they do you!!!! Edited August 29, 2021 by Brodie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Brodie said: And yet other genuine punters are not even allowed to place the bets that they want!!!!! If this is true then the NZ TAB are far bigger DICKHEADS with their business plan than I thought! Why is this BGP group get preferential treatment, however it does not surprise me as I have been on the end of unpreferential treatment for many years! Aside from that double pass to the Ellerslie Flower Show have the TAB given you anything other than restriction grief ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 57 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Aside from that double pass to the Ellerslie Flower Show have the TAB given you anything other than restriction grief ? Lol Yeah they did Ranga! Not that I was advised of it Ranga, but without my knowledge I was given someone to look after me! I am a highly valued customer apparently that they do not want betting with them! Go figure? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Brodie said: I was given someone to look after me! A very good idea. NZTAB are very kind.😇 When can we expect your to start moaning about All Stars /Cullen winning all the big races and it being unfair and not good for the dying sport of harness? Edited August 29, 2021 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, JJ Flash said: A very good idea. NZTAB are very kind.😇 When can we expect your to start moaning about All Stars /Cullen winning all the big races and it being unfair and not good for the dying sport of harness? JJ, you being in the know, who is currently in charge of running the stable? Unfortunately the sport is struggling on other sides already, so that is just another issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 13 hours ago, Brodie said: Sorry, but I do not follow the Boys Get Paid stuff and never participated in it! Looking at the terms and conditions kindly posted above by The Chief you may be excluded. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 36 minutes ago, Brodie said: JJ, you being in the know, who is currently in charge of running the stable? No idea- your the expert on that topic . So, when do you start moaning about AS/Cullen dominance of all the big races etc. Or have you got a new topic to moan about.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 23 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Looking at the terms and conditions kindly posted above by The Chief you may be excluded. Priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 38 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Looking at the terms and conditions kindly posted above by The Chief you may be excluded. To be fair Ranga, The Brodster doesnt need to be involved in a group that punts large amounts on GALLOPERS! Surefire way to be a losing punter! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 16 minutes ago, JJ Flash said: No idea- your the expert on that topic . So, when do you start moaning about AS/Cullen dominance of all the big races etc. Or have you got a new topic to moan about.? JJ, are you happy with everything in NZ at the moment? Brodie is entitled to his opinion which as you will be well aware, is always on the money! As for the AllStar stable being run, it is Mark and Natalie. As for it affecting me personally, it doesnt! As for affecting harness racing, yes it does majorly! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted August 29, 2021 Author Share Posted August 29, 2021 Just now, Brodie said: Brodie is entitled to his opinion which as you will be well aware, is always on the money! Has Cullen Racing Stables raced at Victoria Park? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Brodie said: As for it affecting me personally, it doesnt! Then you wont be moaning about it from here on in? I think we all know that answer. Its not if but when and only applies to one stable. Cullen Racing Edited August 29, 2021 by JJ Flash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ Flash Posted August 29, 2021 Share Posted August 29, 2021 6 minutes ago, Rangatira said: Has Cullen Racing Stables raced at Victoria Park? Not yet😜 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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