Guest CrossCodes Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 He was banned for racist abuse in rugby. Now he's charged with verbally abusing women in harness racing.http://www.stuff.co.nz/the-press/news/105624313/Abusive-rugby-player-allegedly-strikes-again-in-racing?cid=app-iPad This article just popped up on my newsfeed, not a good look by the sounds of things. We never seem to have many positive articles written by non-racing 'journalists', just negative ones like this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Thats a shame, what was he thinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Young fella with a passion to win, obviously gone about it the wrong way, but will hopefully learn and channel his exuberance positively in the future. I wish him well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 likely to get less than 46 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newmarket Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Doing the rounds on Facebook, seems might be two sides to story. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 hour ago, CrossCodes said: He was banned for racist abuse in rugby. Now he's charged with verbally abusing women in harness racing. I think he needs someone to tell him to pull his head in. Because of his past indiscretion with the rugby abuse (which was quite big news), he doesn't have the luxury that many others have. No one really cares if a couple of drivers sling some shit towards each other now and again but after getting so much publicity for something which is deemed so unacceptable he has a go at females in this current environment. Everyone does the wrong things at times but you have to start learning at some stage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blossom lady Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 There is a lot more to both incidents. The junior driver whose mother was involved in a serious incident around the rugby fields is very lucky she hasn't been charged with more serious ones than bronson. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 hour ago, Happy Sunrise said: I think he needs someone to tell him to pull his head in. Because of his past indiscretion with the rugby abuse (which was quite big news), he doesn't have the luxury that many others have. No one really cares if a couple of drivers sling some shit towards each other now and again but after getting so much publicity for something which is deemed so unacceptable he has a go at females in this current environment. Everyone does the wrong things at times but you have to start learning at some stage. Precisely. He's got little future if he can't learn to control himself. Also, all this stuff about there "being a lot more" to this incident sounds like an attempt to shift blame onto Tomlinson and Purvis. If there is in fact "a lot more", then those saying so should either provide a few facts or shut up. At the moment, it has about as much credibility as the anonymous trainer claim that "the culture in harness racing with guys abusing girls is terrible". As for Ms Butt's gratuitous reference to a "so called reporter", this is just shooting the messenger. And quite wrong as well — Martin van Beynen is in fact a very good reporter (pretty much the only decent journalist left at The Press). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 27 minutes ago, Basil said: At the moment, it has about as much credibility as the anonymous trainer claim that "the culture in harness racing with guys abusing girls is terrible". Yeah, that is crap to take the anonymous stance. Is the trainer afraid of repercussions? Is it that bad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 An interesting story. I think it best we put to one side the individuals involved in this incident and instead do some analysis on how to help deal with and counter abuse should female drivers receive it in the future. here are some suggestions for the ladies. 1.calmly explain to the abusive driver how using negative labels to define her, is an ineffective means of communication. 2.Calmly suggest to the offending driver that he should next time use a non confrontational approach to resolve the difference of opinion on tactics ,perhaps pointing out more effective strategies for resolving future conflict. 3.if the first 2 do not resolve the issue I would suggest the female driver refuse to engage with her male counterpart. I'm sure most female drivers have effectively used the silent treatment on males before. we've heard of the Blair glare,why not have mr mcnamararara refer to the sheree stare during his commentaries. Finally to be fair to what is often the misunderstood male driver ,may I suggest ,should he be unhappy with a female driver,that he develop a more strategic non verbal form of abuse in the future. One that is harder to spot and will not land him in hot water with officialdom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) or better know how the driver he wishes to take the lead from is going to react Edited July 22, 2018 by Rangatira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 10 minutes ago, the galah said: instead do some analysis on how to help deal with and counter abuse should female drivers receive it in the future. Or males can simply show some respect. If males do feel aggrieved by something on the track they should point it out in a controlled manner, that goes for the females as well, it is a workplace after all and a public one at that. Gender shouldn't have anything to do with it. Just act like a good person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 Girls give as good as they get today - potty mouth is not solely from males . It is not a case of that - it is about all behaving professionally and to don’t bring the sport into disrepute . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 (edited) Totally agree that Bronson should not have given the girls a gobfull. I remember seeing the race and after the line I couldn’t tell,whether it was lighthearted banter or serious! There actually is a helluva lot more to this story than was printed by the media, and who reported this story to the media is the interesting point and is really garbage journalism and didn’t need reporting. FFS there is abuse to malr and females everyday In the workforce and socialising and that isn’t reported is it? Is it due to the racial comment on the football field that has brought this up or is it someone holding a vendetta against someone???? Obviously Bronson Has a bit of an impulsive nature which is not uncommon amongst many of our young nowadays! Seriously though how would you appreciate it if your child who is trying really hard to make a name for himself in the harness industry makes headlines for the wrong reason??? Bronson does not have the might of a big harness name behind him so will battle to make a living out of the industry and after this, who knows he may give it away? Brodie personally believes that there is far more to this story than what has been printed and didn’t need to be made into headlines. Sorry, but FFS twice he has impulsively used words that he probably wishes he hadn’t, but FFS he didn’t use any violence against anyone, he didn’t sexually abuse anyone, he didn’t rip anyone off financially etc. and yet he is hung out to dry by this journalist who has not written both sides of the storey. Anyone can have a crack at “The Brodster” because I can stand up for what I think is right, but poor Bronson Munro has been dealt a severe blow to his career and life by some pretty mediocre comments. Many Of us have been subjected to BS and abuse from people including from Fart Too Much and Scoobs and yet it isn’t put in the media!!! Firmly believe that Bronson Munro has been shafted when it wasn’t required to be! Someone has stuffed here bigtime and the journalist needs to do his job and think more about what he writes before he presses the print button!!!! Edited July 22, 2018 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 8 hours ago, Brodie said: There actually is a helluva lot more to this story than was printed by the media What is it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Happy Sunrise said: What is it? Happy, I am not into ruining people’s reputations sorry! Who broke the story to the media? What else happened that night? Gutter journalism is not my forte! Story should never ever been printed, why ruin a dedicated young persons career for a few words in the heat of the moment?... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 50 minutes ago, Brodie said: Happy, I am not into ruining people’s reputations sorry! Who broke the story to the media? What else happened that night? Gutter journalism is not my forte! Story should never ever been printed, why ruin a dedicated young persons career for a few words in the heat of the moment?... But 'gutter journalism' is exactly what you're engaging in — by innuendo and nudge-wink accusations. You're also missing the point Brodie. At a time when racing is probably at its lowest ebb ever, and is hoping to get significant taxpayer support via Wobbly Winston, the very last thing it needs is to draw negative attention to itself with stories like this. Shooting the messenger doesn't change the facts. Rather than worrying about "a dedicated young persons career" who has nobody to blame but himself, you might want to think about all the other careers that are potentially adversely affected by his behaviour. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 13 minutes ago, Basil said: But 'gutter journalism' is exactly what you're engaging in — by innuendo and nudge-wink accusations. You're also missing the point Brodie. At a time when racing is probably at its lowest ebb ever, and is hoping to get significant taxpayer support via Wobbly Winston, the very last thing it needs is to draw negative attention to itself with stories like this. Shooting the messenger doesn't change the facts. Rather than worrying about "a dedicated young persons career" who has nobody to blame but himself, you might want to think about all the other careers that are potentially adversely affected by his behaviour. Basil, you are totally incorrect on several scores. I have not mentioned anyone’s name whatsoever, and do not intend to do so. Bronson clearly has issues that he needs help with. He is a young man in a competitive industry and how the hell is broadcasting his name in lights in a bad way is going to help him I am not too sure. As I said previously he has not physically abused anyone or ripped anyone off financially! The old saying goes something like “sticks and stones may break your bones but names may never hurt me” The Charlotte and Sheree never lodged any complaint with the RIU apparently! Someone with a vendetta has contacted the journalist with this story that he can sensationalise because of the racial abuse that Bronson was supposed to have said! You are correct that racing doesn’t need negative press at all and yet this journalist is happy to print this gutter journalism and how the heck he can live with himself if this drives Bronson out of the industry I can’t comprehend! Look, everyone will have an opinion on this, and no the girls shouldn’t have to tolerate verbal abuse I agree, but there is undulating circumstances that haven’t been mentioned. Also who reported it to the journalist even though no complaint from the girls was made? Bronson I am sure will have regrets and probably knows he shouldn’t have said things verbally to the girls but to have it brought out in the media for everyone to see is well over the top and does not help a young man who is trying to make his way in life in a very hard industry. Brodie, As you know tells it the way it is, and I personally believe that a bit more compassion should be shown to this young man that needs a bit of help rather than trying to destroy him emotionally and financially. The journalist should hang his head in shame for printing that crap!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Sunrise Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 11 hours ago, Brodie said: There actually is a helluva lot more to this story than was printed by the media, and who reported this story to the media is the interesting point and is really garbage journalism and didn’t need reporting. It isn't garbage journalism because Bronson Munro made himself a public figure with his racial abuse of a person in rugby. Now he has followed it up with verbal abuse of females. This is what the news is. The girls didn't need to make a complaint as it was done for them by the RIU. It will be interesting to read the JCA report of this when it comes out. I suppose the full story will be told then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 1 minute ago, Happy Sunrise said: It isn't garbage journalism because Bronson Munro made himself a public figure with his racial abuse of a person in rugby. Now he has followed it up with verbal abuse of females. This is what the news is. The girls didn't need to make a complaint as it was done for them by the RIU. It will be interesting to read the JCA report of this when it comes out. I suppose the full story will be told then. Happy, we will agree to disagree ! I am not condoning abuse of any sort whatsoever, as hell we have got it from the other side! My point is that I do not see what benefit there is in dragging a young blokes name through the media so that everyone can see when he clearly has an anger problem that many of the young oneshave nowadays. The two cases that Bronson has been highlighted for have been during battle, that is playing a rugby game and driving in a harness race. Clearly Bronson is very competitive and sometimes this competitiveness has got on top of him with a bit of verbal and nothing physical. Every hour of the day In NZ I am sure there is verbal abuse or physical abuse going on and this is not reported in the media is it? Someone with a vendetta has reported this to the media and this is also a major talking point, some have their suspicions! I watch a bit of live sport and I can tell you I have heard racist language from the sidelines and it is just not aimed at darker skinned players it comes from the other side as well, so it is just not one way. Bronson clearly needs some help and I hope that he is man enough to accept it because he is a much improved reinsman but this garbage journalism has set him back a helluva lot! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flagship uberalles Posted July 22, 2018 Share Posted July 22, 2018 56 minutes ago, Brodie said: Happy, we will agree to disagree ! I am not condoning abuse of any sort whatsoever, as hell we have got it from the other side! My point is that I do not see what benefit there is in dragging a young blokes name through the media so that everyone can see when he clearly has an anger problem that many of the young oneshave nowadays. The two cases that Bronson has been highlighted for have been during battle, that is playing a rugby game and driving in a harness race. Clearly Bronson is very competitive and sometimes this competitiveness has got on top of him with a bit of verbal and nothing physical. Every hour of the day In NZ I am sure there is verbal abuse or physical abuse going on and this is not reported in the media is it? Someone with a vendetta has reported this to the media and this is also a major talking point, some have their suspicions! I watch a bit of live sport and I can tell you I have heard racist language from the sidelines and it is just not aimed at darker skinned players it comes from the other side as well, so it is just not one way. Bronson clearly needs some help and I hope that he is man enough to accept it because he is a much improved reinsman but this garbage journalism has set him back a helluva lot! Your right Brodie, everyone seems to have thin skin since political correctness has been forced upon us, I too think he is very competitive, what happened to that saying "sticks and stones" I'm sure he is a nice chap that would buy you a beer after a rugby game or a race. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 37 minutes ago, Flagship uberalles said: Your right Brodie, everyone seems to have thin skin since political correctness has been forced upon us, I too think he is very competitive, what happened to that saying "sticks and stones" I'm sure he is a nice chap that would buy you a beer after a rugby game or a race. Flagship, I don’t know the young man that well, but I have spoken to him a couple of times at the races. What I can say is that I found him to be a pretty articulate well spoken clean cut young man, that was friendly and forthcoming. He has no idea that I have written In support of him at all and he probably doesn’t need me to do so. What I am saying is that yes he has made a couple of mistakes but really not hanging offences and yet he gets vilified in the Media which has set out to make an example of him uneccessarily. Yes he may have on the spur of the moment been racist and yes he may have verbally abused females in a moment of distress, but seriously who hasn’t ever had rascist thoughts at some stage of their life and been upset by what someone has done or said and didn’t want to give someone a barrell?????? I am sure the journalist that wrote the article has got skeletons in his closet, and wouldn’t appreciate it being posted over the media!!!!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CrossCodes Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 26 minutes ago, Brodie said: Flagship, I don’t know the young man that well, but I have spoken to him a couple of times at the races. What I can say is that I found him to be a pretty articulate well spoken clean cut young man, that was friendly and forthcoming. He has no idea that I have written In support of him at all and he probably doesn’t need me to do so. What I am saying is that yes he has made a couple of mistakes but really not hanging offences and yet he gets vilified in the Media which has set out to make an example of him uneccessarily. Yes he may have on the spur of the moment been racist and yes he may have verbally abused females in a moment of distress, but seriously who hasn’t ever had rascist thoughts at some stage of their life and been upset by what someone has done or said and didn’t want to give someone a barrell?????? I am sure the journalist that wrote the article has got skeletons in his closet, and wouldn’t appreciate it being posted over the media!!!!!! Well I haven't had racist thoughts at any stage of my life Brodie, because I'm not an asshole, and it's pretty sad if you think it is normal to do so. And I certainly haven't haven't hurled any racial abuse towards people because then again, I'm not an asshole. You cannot abuse people like that and blame it on being 'during battle'. People need to realise that there is a difference between freedom of speech and freedom of consequence, it's not 'PC garbage' to sanction being racist and abusive, it's just good manners. I don't know any of the people involved, I just came across the article, the reporter has just written the facts that he has been charged with and hardly 'gutter journalism', sometimes the truth hurts unfortunately, yes we have all done things in our lives that we regret, but probably have all suffered consequences too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) 11 minutes ago, CrossCodes said: Well I haven't had racist thoughts at any stage of my life Brodie, because I'm not an asshole, and it's pretty sad if you think it is normal to do so. And I certainly haven't haven't hurled any racial abuse towards people because then again, I'm not an asshole. You cannot abuse people like that and blame it on being 'during battle'. People need to realise that there is a difference between freedom of speech and freedom of consequence, it's not 'PC garbage' to sanction being racist and abusive, it's just good manners. I don't know any of the people involved, I just came across the article, the reporter has just written the facts that he has been charged with and hardly 'gutter journalism', sometimes the truth hurts unfortunately, yes we have all done things in our lives that we regret, but probably have all suffered consequences too. CrossCodes, great that you have replied! I am very pleased that you are not an asshole! I am also very pleased that you have never ever had any thoughts that you could construe as rascist! You are clearly a role model for everyone to aspire to! I look forward to you contributing on BOAY some of your saintly ideas and clean living lifestyle ideas! What I would say CrossCodes is that you would be one of the very few people living in this world that has never ever had any type of rascist thought, whether they expressed it or not!!!!! Edited July 23, 2018 by Brodie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted July 23, 2018 Share Posted July 23, 2018 (edited) In my opinion the disappointing thing about the story published was that it painted a false picture of the reality of what actually happens out on the racetrack. Portraying this incident with the inference that it reflects what happens regularly is misleading at best,and appears just another one of those articles written and published to push the message of the pc brigade. That is paint a picture of what is wrong with our society. Journalists pushing this line seize on any story, no matter how factual, to push a message indoctrinated in them . These are the people who take great offence on the victims behalf,even though the actual victim often does not have any issue with the events that occurred . The response of mr rennell was good, it showed that HRNZ is aware of the need to have processes in place to be seen to be doing the right thing, irrespective of whether there is an actual problem. Mr munro is the author of his own problem here, but the spotlight being put on this story is way over the top. However,It is the world we live in and should be taken as a learning experience by all within the industry. Finally,it is my opinion based on what I have observed, this is most unusual behavior and the reason for that is that those who drive in races,especially those at the top end,do not practice or condone such behavior,and when they are unhappy with a rivals tactics they do not resort to personal abuse. They lead by example. The person writing this article of course was not interested in the tuth,simply interested in publishing a story that will get a lot of clicks. Edited July 23, 2018 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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