Oh Deary Me!

[nomates]

2 minutes ago, Huey said:

Wonder what the Riding Masters think of that?

Maybe they should up their game , in the same article he praises NGH for doing a great job with the apprentices , well in my book i can't see much improvement , Yanagida , Hazazumi and most of the others have gone backwards to where they were in relation to all of O'sullivans points , but as he said it's not just the apprentices . 

Part of the problem is there isn't enough jockeys , they have no pressure on them , they all make a good living whether they are winning or not because who's going to replace them .

 

[Joe Bloggs]

Thats why a national think tank is needed NM, it falls under the licensing issues, there are men and women out there with apprentices that shouldn't have them full stop. They are learning from fellow track riders and willing jocks, those jocks might have a good heart or are being amiable, however they struggle to sit on themselves.

We had the benefit of marvellous teachers, Lance had his Dad, plus in those days and I was well before Lance, every jock rode work, you had to or no rides, I had Deac at Hawera, how bloody lucky was I, even though he was a hard bastard, we all knew how to ride, Deac didn't have poor apprentices, nor Eric Temperton, or Noel Eales, or Wally McEwan, and so on, you are only as good as the man/woman that teaches you.

Petone have been far too free and easy handing out licences, that has to stop, but at the same time, that decision should be in the hands of someone really experienced and talented, hence the ongoing problems at Petone.....who appoints who?

We can't live in the past, and nor should we, the future belongs to those that plan for it, Petone just stumble along, make it up, and probably write it down on a napkin, no-one will reinvest at this rate, except the cartel, it all suits their narrative, but south of the border it will all go pear shaped unless there is a line in the sand.

Saundry has been a complete failure, he should have incorporated the same program that RVL have with their apprentice scheme, and monitored the intake accordingly, it's all well and good bringing these kids from Japan, Mauritius, Malaysia etc, but you need to start at home and have a schools program and incentive, pony club and employment drives with Government apprentice subsidies.

The new CEO of NZTR might turn it around, if he has the ability to listen, circulate and engage, and show bi-partisan support for non cartel aligned industry participants, we can but hope.

[nomates]

To be honest Joe the issues we have are wide spread and encompass all sectors of NZ racing , it would be a daunting proposition for anyone with the courage to put their hand up and attempt to start fixing them .

Personally i believe we are beyond redemption , especially for the wider industry , aside from the fact that from what i see and hear and read leads me to the conclusion that centralisation north is the only plan .

If i'm wrong and repairing the wider industry does became the focus it will be a long hard road .

[Freda]

Yes, I get muttered at for being critical, at times...and I do agree that it is far easier to take pot-shots than actually 'fix' things.

Go to programming meetings, I was told, seeing you know so much.   But, where do you start?  Tinkering at that level achieves little, the whole thing needs a complete re-vamp, far outside the scope of those meetings.

And programming, while a significant matter, isn't the whole deal.  As NM says,  a daunting task indeed, to fix the wider industry.

[Chief Stipe]

19 hours ago, nomates said:

While O’Sullivan was pleased to see his apprentice receive a just reward, overall, he is concerned with the standard of riding in New Zealand that be believes is at an all-time low.

“Right now, I don’t think it has been worse for the industry as a whole,” he said.

“If you took out the top half dozen senior riders, we are in pretty poor shape.

“Some of the riding you see is very very bad and things like tactical appreciation, judgement of pace and positioning in a field can be quite woeful.

 

Seems we are not too far off the track in our thoughts , but i ask when L O'Sullivan is saying that in public as others have WTF is being done to address the issue .

Are things going to improve when the Judiciary takes the following approach.  This is Lance O'Sullivan's Apprentice!!!!  SIX careless riding charges in EIGHT months!!!!

Apprentice Rider, Taiki Yanagida

 

admitted a charge of careless riding which was filed pursuant to Rule 638(1)(d).  The Information alleged that Taiki Yanagida  “allowed his mount, GONE WITH THE WIND to shift in when not sufficiently clear of RUSAVY (T Newman) which was checked near the 1300 metres”.

The Respondent acknowledged he understood the Rule and confirmed his admission of the breach. Mr Yanagida is an Apprentice Rider who is due to become a fully-fledged Senior Rider in 5 days.  At the time of the hearing there was not a senior responsible person available to support him at the hearing.  On that basis he took advice from his employer, Mr L O’Sullivan (via phone) and as a result Mr Yanagida advised the Committee, he consented to the hearing proceeding without a support person.

Chief Stipendiary Steward, Mr Oatham produced the Respondent’s riding record which indicated 5  previous breaches under the Careless Riding Rule in the last 12 months, namely:

08/05/21 Te Rapa, 4 days suspension

27/05/21 Counties, 4 days suspension

14/08/21 Te Rapa, 5 days suspension

02/10/21 Hastings, 8 days suspension

06/11/21  Te Rapa, 7 days suspension

The Respondent has had  430 mounts in the past 12 months and is a sought after Apprentice Rider. Mr Oatham said Stewards assessed the level of carelessness to be in the low – range,

[nomates]

43 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Are things going to improve when the Judiciary takes the following approach.  This is Lance O'Sullivan's Apprentice!!!!  SIX careless riding charges in EIGHT months!!!!

Apprentice Rider, Taiki Yanagida

 

admitted a charge of careless riding which was filed pursuant to Rule 638(1)(d).  The Information alleged that Taiki Yanagida  “allowed his mount, GONE WITH THE WIND to shift in when not sufficiently clear of RUSAVY (T Newman) which was checked near the 1300 metres”.

The Respondent acknowledged he understood the Rule and confirmed his admission of the breach. Mr Yanagida is an Apprentice Rider who is due to become a fully-fledged Senior Rider in 5 days.  At the time of the hearing there was not a senior responsible person available to support him at the hearing.  On that basis he took advice from his employer, Mr L O’Sullivan (via phone) and as a result Mr Yanagida advised the Committee, he consented to the hearing proceeding without a support person.

Chief Stipendiary Steward, Mr Oatham produced the Respondent’s riding record which indicated 5  previous breaches under the Careless Riding Rule in the last 12 months, namely:

08/05/21 Te Rapa, 4 days suspension

27/05/21 Counties, 4 days suspension

14/08/21 Te Rapa, 5 days suspension

02/10/21 Hastings, 8 days suspension

06/11/21  Te Rapa, 7 days suspension

The Respondent has had  430 mounts in the past 12 months and is a sought after Apprentice Rider. Mr Oatham said Stewards assessed the level of carelessness to be in the low – range,

I'm sure O'Sullivan didn't have him in the top 6 in NZ , but personally i believe he has regressed in the last 2 years , which considering his mentor is surprising .

[Chief Stipe]

40 minutes ago, nomates said:

I'm sure O'Sullivan didn't have him in the top 6 in NZ , but personally i believe he has regressed in the last 2 years , which considering his mentor is surprising .

Three points from that RIB decision stick out in my mind:

1. There was no Senior person arranged to assist him - although he had been there enough in the last year to understand the process;
2. He is a recidivist offender with regard to careless riding - has he received any corrective instruction?;
3. It was his 6th offence in 8 months yet he only got 5 days;
4. Given his record over the last 12 months should he be allowed to serve out his apprenticeship suspended?  Perhaps he would benefit to an extension based on a quantum of the days suspended during the last year.

Arguably he becomes a Senior Rider when his riding isn't up to the quality one would expect from a Senior Rider. 

Correction:  Effectively he served out his apprenticeship BEFORE he completed his suspension as he was able to defer the suspension for 5 days!

[Freda]

43 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Three points from that RIB decision stick out in my mind:

1. There was no Senior person arranged to assist him - although he had been there enough in the last year to understand the process;
2. He is a recidivist offender with regard to careless riding - has he received any corrective instruction?;
3. It was his 6th offence in 8 months yet he only got 5 days;
4. Given his record over the last 12 months should he be allowed to serve out his apprenticeship suspended?  Perhaps he would benefit to an extension based on a quantum of the days suspended during the last year.

Arguably he becomes a Senior Rider when his riding isn't up to the quality one would expect from a Senior Rider. 

Correction:  Effectively he served out his apprenticeship BEFORE he completed his suspension as he was able to defer the suspension for 5 days!

WRT the 'senior person' to represent him ;     things have obviously changed since I had apprentices...but if I couldn't be at the races, another trainer or suitable other [ retired and reputable jockey, etc ] had to be nominated.  In the early days, the apprentice was given a letter to hand to an official,  but as said apprentice became more proficient and knew most of those folk at the races, it was sufficient for me to ring a stipe and say ' Pitty is representing......if necessary '  and that was enough.

[nomates]

5 minutes ago, Freda said:

WRT the 'senior person' to represent him ;     things have obviously changed since I had apprentices...but if I couldn't be at the races, another trainer or suitable other [ retired and reputable jockey, etc ] had to be nominated.  In the early days, the apprentice was given a letter to hand to an official,  but as said apprentice became more proficient and knew most of those folk at the races, it was sufficient for me to ring a stipe and say ' Pitty is representing......if necessary '  and that was enough.

Sounds like most of stipes , usually there without a responsible adult supervising them .

[Doomed]

14 hours ago, Freda said:

Yes, I get muttered at for being critical, at times...and I do agree that it is far easier to take pot-shots than actually 'fix' things.

Go to programming meetings, I was told, seeing you know so much.   But, where do you start?  Tinkering at that level achieves little, the whole thing needs a complete re-vamp, far outside the scope of those meetings.

And programming, while a significant matter, isn't the whole deal.  As NM says,  a daunting task indeed, to fix the wider industry.

Very true. You can't just go to a club committee meeting and say why don't we throw in 2yo and 3yo races. It needs an overall plan with wide buy in. Who can remember the last 2yo race in the SI? Yes, the Welcome stakes. I wonder how many Southerners will front for the Karaka races?

I seem to recall a Tyler 3yo filly running 3rd in a 2,147m rating 65 at Riverton a few days ago. Naughty, naughty people those Tylers. Don't they realise it was supposed to race in the Gore, Otago and Southland Guineas. Stick to the pattern.  These are the same naughty people who had the temerity to have a filly place in the Oaks a couple of years ago. They really don't know their place in the scheme of things.

[holy ravioli]

Oatham .....career flunky imo.

[KickintheKods]

PSSSSSS.......don't say a word to anyone.........the filly was given a week of swimming and sunshine on her back and has freshened up beautifully, apparently, according to my mole with the binos on the hill behind Rogie's palace....  and is literally bucking her brands off - she is one tough nut - so is having a trial at Te Rapa tomorrow against the big boys and girls to tighten the inner workings........and be ready to go again in a couple of weeks......but you didn't hear it from me.

[KickintheKods]

[Joe Bloggs]

56 minutes ago, KickintheKods said:

PSSSSSS.......don't say a word to anyone.........the filly was given a week of swimming and sunshine on her back and has freshened up beautifully, apparently, according to my mole with the binos on the hill behind Rogie's palace....  and is literally bucking her brands off - she is one tough nut - so is having a trial at Te Rapa tomorrow against the big boys and girls to tighten the inner workings........and be ready to go again in a couple of weeks......but you didn't hear it from me.

[whispering] thank you, safe with us.......

[KickintheKods]

NICE.....

Get a look at the video when they put it up. Sat wide under a hold and never let her head go at any time. 

[Joe Bloggs]

How long does it take to get a replay up? Has Bernie sent the office boy down to Kodak to develop the super 8?

[KickintheKods]

From the horse's mouth, so to speak.

 

"NZTR uploads videos of trials on the same day as the trial meeting. If, for some reason a video is not available, we have to wait for Trackside to provide the footage. This generally takes 2-3 days."

They are usually pretty good so check in a couple of hours.....worth a look !!

[Huey]

3 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said:

How long does it take to get a replay up? Has Bernie sent the office boy down to Kodak to develop the super 8?

JB ,we got Polaroids here now ya know ! 

[KickintheKods]

 

[KickintheKods]

The 1600 m start point at Trentham allows options for those drawn wide, but it is still not ideal to be coming out of the outside barrier.

I can see her sitting outside leader before the big bend and coming down the middle of the track in the run home.

New Zealand's best maiden should be saluting this week.

 

[KickintheKods]

Good to get your agreement Thomarse, and as anticipated a new hoop atop this time.

J Riddell.

[Chief Stipe]

4 minutes ago, KickintheKods said:

and as anticipated a new hoop atop this time.

J Riddell.

Not surprising considering its previous two Jockeys are suspended!

[KickintheKods]

My man with the binocs on the hill behind the owner and trainers joint, said he lip read that it wouldn't have mattered if they were suspended or not.

He did add that anyone with a lisp does cause his interpretations to be possibly mistaken. Has Rogie got a lisp?

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, KickintheKods said:

I can see her sitting outside leader before the big bend and coming down the middle of the track in the run home.

So you will be happy to see her posted 3 wide the entire trip this week?

[KickintheKods]

Posted, couriered or hand delivered by vestal virgins, it won't matter this week.

She has allegedly improved lengths since that run at Ellerslie. She might even lead.