Kihikihi Kid Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 What is wrong with all you Racing participants when Brian de Lore keeps stating these horrific true stats that are raping and ravaging our Industry and no one stands and agrees , Enough is Enough surely. Lets get behind De Lore and get some answers and accountability ffs. Seems like those in charge get a free run and anyone who states facts and concerns is rubbished. Something is wrong with this picture .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freda Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 3 hours ago, Kihikihi Kid said: What is wrong with all you Racing participants when Brian de Lore keeps stating these horrific true stats that are raping and ravaging our Industry and no one stands and agrees , Enough is Enough surely. Lets get behind De Lore and get some answers and accountability ffs. Seems like those in charge get a free run and anyone who states facts and concerns is rubbished. Something is wrong with this picture .... To be fair, most on here are as critical as Brian....and some, better informed. For several years, Brian worshipped at the altar of Winston Peters; and, with his personal friendship with John Messara, was probably instrumental in facilitating the connection between Winston and J.M, and then the Messara report. We had many a discussion about the wisdom ( or lack ) of relying on that slippery old self-server, but he was adamant that Winston was our only hope. I think most on here would agree that the Racing Act 2020 is not the panacea hoped for, any more than the 2003 version was. I have to agree with you however that at least Brian did SOMETHING. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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KickintheKods Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 Brian says it like it is but will anyone take any notice. Not a chance as the "climb on the gravy train - fuck you lot - I'm looking after myself" attitude prevails at head office and filters it's way down. It's not a sink hole any more Brian. It's a SLUSH FUND for the boys and girls network which is why the little fella is jumping overboard and no longer participating. The industry is being stuffed, from both internal mismanagement and incompetence. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 NZTR taking racing down the path of penury by Brian de Lore Published 7th January 2022 The thoroughbred racing industry in New Zealand continues to plot its own path to penury with hapless decision-making, a lack of empathy for the stakeholders, and an apparent inability to recognise ‘the fix’ or the changes required to make racing sustainable. The dawning of 2022 hasn’t thrown up any new hope, in my view, for a failing industry run by lightweights incapable of righting the course of the ship. Essentially, it comes back to leadership and the quality of the people in charge. Too many involved today have entered racing from the outside because of directors’ fees or the offer of an executive position with a hefty salary. It’s no longer about people with a racing passion. Whatever way you assess it, the system and structure is broken and badly needs a trip to the ‘The Repair Shop.’ Only a major overhaul will suffice; the Racing Act of 2020 is not the panacea Winston Peters said it would be – it opened the door for more government control and a faster decline. The narrative and tables that follow in this blog show conclusively that racing’s future is financially unsustainable with the current structure using the same people. The factual figures drawn from industry publications are uncontestable. They come from Size and Scope Reports, Annual Reports, Stallion Registers, etc. Let’s compare two figures and try and make sense of it. In 2004 we had 1,434 registered trainers, and the Racing Integrity Unit cost $1,188,214 for the season. In 2021 the number of registered trainers had reduced to 790, a decline of 44 percent. But the RIU, which is now the RIB, will cost $14.2 million this season – an increase of almost 1200 percent from 2004. Racing in the 2004 era didn’t particularly have an integrity problem out of the ordinary, and the scrutiny of trainers is only a tiny area of its jurisdiction, but how do you equate an almost halving of the number of trainers over 17 years during which time there’s a 12-times increase in the cost of integrity. Over-indulgence in the use of industry money for administrative expansion over and above putting it into stakes isn’t a new trend for racing. NZRB, when run by Glenda Hughes and John Allen, blew $200 million of potential stakes money when they signed up the TAB for the Fixed Odds Betting Platform instead of outsourcing the service to TABcorp or Sportsbet. They walked free, and we inherited the legacy – that’s justice for you? When they departed the carnage, we all thought the ‘gravy-train’ had finally derailed itself. But no, NZTR had already climbed aboard. In the 2004 to the present era of comparison in the accompanying tables, it’s safe to say racing has declined by 25 to 30 percent overall. But against that trend, the cost of running NZTR far exceeded the CPI index by rising to $10,890,239 or just on $210,000/week for last season, an increase of 271 percent on 2004. Salaries for the same period rose 631 percent to $4,124,624. If a counter-argument to justify current costs could be mounted through a revival of industry fortunes, my accusations would be less impactful. But exponentially rising costs for an owner to go racing against the potential return, tells us the angle on the descent graph has steepened in the last year. Worst still, NZTR costs will rise again this season. It has created a new position and employed a Chief Operating Officer, one rung below CEO Bernard Saundry. The board also plans to open an office in Cambridge (and at what cost) because Waikato is the hub of the industry, and the location better suits the Auckland-dominated board. Given the state of racing, the move has no justification. The board apparently had initially planned to shift the entire NZTR staff to Cambridge, but when several said they wouldn’t go, having two offices became the plan which has remained reasonably hush-hush. Chairman Cameron George, who has resided in Australia for the past year, said when elected in November 2020, he would run NZTR transparently, but quite the reverse has resulted. Missing in Australia for an entire year, George now isn’t alone. CEO and fellow countryman Bernard Saundry flew to Melbourne the week before Christmas, so will either ever get back? Unless Minister of Racing Grant Robertson has issued a pre-departure return pass for Saundry, the COVID-19 website states that a ‘critical purpose to travel’ to New Zealand is required to enter New Zealand – and that’s for New Zealanders. Saundry’s replacement will soon be announced, as will replacements (2) for the NZTR board. Short of Peter V’landys, who could turn this shambles around and make it work? Today is January 7th, but if you’re a trainer looking to plan a campaign for your horses, after March 21st, nothing appears on the website for race programming or stakes money. My information is that NZTR’s promise last July to announce winter prizemoney from April onwards by Christmas did not happen because ‘they forgot.’ In a lame-duck press release sent to stakeholders on December 23rd, NZTR blamed the Delta variant and its effect on gaming income as the reason the stakes announcement didn’t happen and isn’t happening now until February. Why did they say that when gaming income has never factored in providing stakes for racing – someone made it up, with both George and Saundry’s signature on it dated the 23rd and neither in the country. Like other press releases, they told readers how wonderful they’re doing with the usual spin that makes your eyes glaze over. Last October, they sent stakeholders an NZTR Directions Update after receiving 40 submissions. Given their past record and the fact that the board is very upper North Island top-heavy, how can they be trusted on the following themes considered for changing at their February meeting.: • Venue classification • Investment of increased prize money – new initiatives Vs lower grade racing. • Venue sale/use of assets for national, regional, or local purposes. • Strengthening of certain areas in the North and South, possibly at the expense of other areas. • Rotation vs Permanent placement of proposed initiative events. Sorry, but where’s the NZTR record of good money management and cost control? None exists, so why would a Dargaville or a Timaru Club gladly hand over its 100-year built-up assets to an organisation which is just as likely to build itself a flash office block in Cambridge or have another round of salary increases? NZTR has failed to draw up a commercial agreement with the other two codes and take it to TAB NZ, despite that direction having appeared in the Racing Act of 2020. That failure has cost the codes dearly as TAB NZ has $13 million on deposit that should have come down to the codes for prizemoney. Previously I identified that problem in “What TAB NZ doesn’t want its stakeholders to know,” published on November 2nd. The latest NZTR’s Annual Report on page 13 says the following under, ‘nztr statutory role’: (e) to distribute revenue received by the code to racing clubs registered with the code. Then go to page 35 and see they have a total of $8.5 million on term deposit that, under their statutory obligations, according to the Act, should have gone to the clubs for distribution as prizemoney. NZTR had only $1 million on term deposit in the previous year. This is a cut and dry case of wrongful withholding of monies belonging to the pool of stakes money. It’s called defrauding the clubs and consequently the owners. Racing doesn’t need this sleight-of-hand carry-on; it needs to survive and deliver everything it can to the grassroots. The clubs are the heart and soul of racing; it’s where the thousands of volunteers turn up as committees and workers because they have a passion for racing. New Zealand can’t achieve Flemington and Randwick quality racing by selling up its grassroots to fund it – Australian racing has five levels of racing, and each exists to support the next level up. Our problem is we have five levels of administration, and none appear to be better than mediocre. Everyone who has thought about it knows deep down racing has to change dramatically to survive – instead, we are in denial heading down a sinkhole. How do you keep justifying increased running costs for an industry in a severe state of numerical decline? The tables herewith tell the story. Racing through NZTR doesn’t convey the truth; it covers up to make things look okay. And it lacks the fundamental integrity and passion of the people who ran it successfully in the previous millennium. Footnote: The number of breeders in 2004 of 3,156 owned an average of 0.88/broodmare. By 2021, although increased in number to 3,868, the average ownership diminished to 0.34/broodmare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
by Brian de Lore Published 7th January 2022 The thoroughbred racing industry in New Zealand continues to plot its own path to penury with hapless decision-making, a lack of empathy for the stakeholders, and an apparent inability to recognise ‘the fix’ or the changes required to make racing sustainable. The dawning of 2022 hasn’t thrown up any new hope, in my view, for a failing industry run by lightweights incapable of righting the course of the ship. Essentially, it comes back to leadership and the quality of the people in charge. Too many involved today have entered racing from the outside because of directors’ fees or the offer of an executive position with a hefty salary. It’s no longer about people with a racing passion. Whatever way you assess it, the system and structure is broken and badly needs a trip to the ‘The Repair Shop.’ Only a major overhaul will suffice; the Racing Act of 2020 is not the panacea Winston Peters said it would be – it opened the door for more government control and a faster decline. The narrative and tables that follow in this blog show conclusively that racing’s future is financially unsustainable with the current structure using the same people. The factual figures drawn from industry publications are uncontestable. They come from Size and Scope Reports, Annual Reports, Stallion Registers, etc. Let’s compare two figures and try and make sense of it. In 2004 we had 1,434 registered trainers, and the Racing Integrity Unit cost $1,188,214 for the season. In 2021 the number of registered trainers had reduced to 790, a decline of 44 percent. But the RIU, which is now the RIB, will cost $14.2 million this season – an increase of almost 1200 percent from 2004. Racing in the 2004 era didn’t particularly have an integrity problem out of the ordinary, and the scrutiny of trainers is only a tiny area of its jurisdiction, but how do you equate an almost halving of the number of trainers over 17 years during which time there’s a 12-times increase in the cost of integrity. Over-indulgence in the use of industry money for administrative expansion over and above putting it into stakes isn’t a new trend for racing. NZRB, when run by Glenda Hughes and John Allen, blew $200 million of potential stakes money when they signed up the TAB for the Fixed Odds Betting Platform instead of outsourcing the service to TABcorp or Sportsbet. They walked free, and we inherited the legacy – that’s justice for you? When they departed the carnage, we all thought the ‘gravy-train’ had finally derailed itself. But no, NZTR had already climbed aboard. In the 2004 to the present era of comparison in the accompanying tables, it’s safe to say racing has declined by 25 to 30 percent overall. But against that trend, the cost of running NZTR far exceeded the CPI index by rising to $10,890,239 or just on $210,000/week for last season, an increase of 271 percent on 2004. Salaries for the same period rose 631 percent to $4,124,624. If a counter-argument to justify current costs could be mounted through a revival of industry fortunes, my accusations would be less impactful. But exponentially rising costs for an owner to go racing against the potential return, tells us the angle on the descent graph has steepened in the last year. Worst still, NZTR costs will rise again this season. It has created a new position and employed a Chief Operating Officer, one rung below CEO Bernard Saundry. The board also plans to open an office in Cambridge (and at what cost) because Waikato is the hub of the industry, and the location better suits the Auckland-dominated board. Given the state of racing, the move has no justification. The board apparently had initially planned to shift the entire NZTR staff to Cambridge, but when several said they wouldn’t go, having two offices became the plan which has remained reasonably hush-hush. Chairman Cameron George, who has resided in Australia for the past year, said when elected in November 2020, he would run NZTR transparently, but quite the reverse has resulted. Missing in Australia for an entire year, George now isn’t alone. CEO and fellow countryman Bernard Saundry flew to Melbourne the week before Christmas, so will either ever get back? Unless Minister of Racing Grant Robertson has issued a pre-departure return pass for Saundry, the COVID-19 website states that a ‘critical purpose to travel’ to New Zealand is required to enter New Zealand – and that’s for New Zealanders. Saundry’s replacement will soon be announced, as will replacements (2) for the NZTR board. Short of Peter V’landys, who could turn this shambles around and make it work? Today is January 7th, but if you’re a trainer looking to plan a campaign for your horses, after March 21st, nothing appears on the website for race programming or stakes money. My information is that NZTR’s promise last July to announce winter prizemoney from April onwards by Christmas did not happen because ‘they forgot.’ In a lame-duck press release sent to stakeholders on December 23rd, NZTR blamed the Delta variant and its effect on gaming income as the reason the stakes announcement didn’t happen and isn’t happening now until February. Why did they say that when gaming income has never factored in providing stakes for racing – someone made it up, with both George and Saundry’s signature on it dated the 23rd and neither in the country. Like other press releases, they told readers how wonderful they’re doing with the usual spin that makes your eyes glaze over. Last October, they sent stakeholders an NZTR Directions Update after receiving 40 submissions. Given their past record and the fact that the board is very upper North Island top-heavy, how can they be trusted on the following themes considered for changing at their February meeting.: • Venue classification • Investment of increased prize money – new initiatives Vs lower grade racing. • Venue sale/use of assets for national, regional, or local purposes. • Strengthening of certain areas in the North and South, possibly at the expense of other areas. • Rotation vs Permanent placement of proposed initiative events. Sorry, but where’s the NZTR record of good money management and cost control? None exists, so why would a Dargaville or a Timaru Club gladly hand over its 100-year built-up assets to an organisation which is just as likely to build itself a flash office block in Cambridge or have another round of salary increases? NZTR has failed to draw up a commercial agreement with the other two codes and take it to TAB NZ, despite that direction having appeared in the Racing Act of 2020. That failure has cost the codes dearly as TAB NZ has $13 million on deposit that should have come down to the codes for prizemoney. Previously I identified that problem in “What TAB NZ doesn’t want its stakeholders to know,” published on November 2nd. The latest NZTR’s Annual Report on page 13 says the following under, ‘nztr statutory role’: (e) to distribute revenue received by the code to racing clubs registered with the code. Then go to page 35 and see they have a total of $8.5 million on term deposit that, under their statutory obligations, according to the Act, should have gone to the clubs for distribution as prizemoney. NZTR had only $1 million on term deposit in the previous year. This is a cut and dry case of wrongful withholding of monies belonging to the pool of stakes money. It’s called defrauding the clubs and consequently the owners. Racing doesn’t need this sleight-of-hand carry-on; it needs to survive and deliver everything it can to the grassroots. The clubs are the heart and soul of racing; it’s where the thousands of volunteers turn up as committees and workers because they have a passion for racing. New Zealand can’t achieve Flemington and Randwick quality racing by selling up its grassroots to fund it – Australian racing has five levels of racing, and each exists to support the next level up. Our problem is we have five levels of administration, and none appear to be better than mediocre. Everyone who has thought about it knows deep down racing has to change dramatically to survive – instead, we are in denial heading down a sinkhole. How do you keep justifying increased running costs for an industry in a severe state of numerical decline? The tables herewith tell the story. Racing through NZTR doesn’t convey the truth; it covers up to make things look okay. And it lacks the fundamental integrity and passion of the people who ran it successfully in the previous millennium. Footnote: The number of breeders in 2004 of 3,156 owned an average of 0.88/broodmare. By 2021, although increased in number to 3,868, the average ownership diminished to 0.34/broodmare.
Chief Stipe Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 9 hours ago, Kihikihi Kid said: What is wrong with all you Racing participants when Brian de Lore keeps stating these horrific true stats that are raping and ravaging our Industry and no one stands and agrees , Enough is Enough surely That's an incorrect observation. As @Freda posted most posters on this site have been repeatedly writing the same criticisms as De Lore. Arguably he has been late to the party having cheer led for Messara for some time. A few like @JJ Flashlikewise. Unfortunately NZTR and some clubs e.g. CJC have too much power and influence over rank and file stakeholders. That is they can make life and making ends meet very hard for the stakeholder on a day to day basis. Until those stakeholders sing off the same songsheet, commit to collective action and derail the gravy train it will keep on sucking the life out of the industry. The industry stakeholders don't need to get behind someone like De Lore they need to put aside briefly the individual competitive self interest and group together to take on Petone. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 7, 2022 Share Posted January 7, 2022 As Nomates said many moons ago, ''never going to happen''. Saundry and before him Purcell, took advantage of a huge lifeline, can you blame them for taking huge salary positions? Not many would turn those offers down, they must have done their due diligence and sussed out the stupidity and apathy awaiting them in the Land Of The Long Great Gauge....... I can't wait for Purcell to write his memoirs, and even Saundry, although his memoirs may need to be written for him, what a riveting read those paperbacks will be, there might even be a movie, Jurassic Park 2 maybe, who would play Saundry in a movie or tv series, De Vito? or the bloke who played the little fella with the catchphrase, ''look boss de plane de plane''. Who might play Purcell? Leonardo de Caprio, Hugh Jackman, we know a good choice to play Glenda, The Governess, Anne Hegerty, although I'm betting Anne might have visited far more TAB's or betting shops than big Glenda ever will. Let's run a comp guessing when and if Saundry will ever return to NZ? I also ponder if Kate Goodrich was waiting out at Tullamarine with a bouquet of flowers awaiting Bernies emergence through customs. Anyway I'm being a tad flippant, but I'm like BDL, mad as hell, but what to do> The damage can't be reversed as long as the cartel has the strength it has, break the cartel and you have a slither of a chance.......You know it makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark D Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 Yip he's been great lately but had his dalliance with Ellis as well. Better late than never but too late for me. Things are hopeless 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curious Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 1 hour ago, Mark D said: Yip he's been great lately but had his dalliance with Ellis as well. Better late than never but too late for me. Things are hopeless They were hopeless. Now worse than that day by day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peanut Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 3 hours ago, Mark D said: Yip he's been great lately but had his dalliance with Ellis as well. Better late than never but too late for me. Things are hopeless They may as well appoint Ellis to take over from Saundry. He seems to run the show already anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 9 hours ago, Peanut said: They may as well appoint Ellis to take over from Saundry. He seems to run the show already anyway. In what way? Te Akau's success isn't a measure of their influence over Petone. 18 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said: The damage can't be reversed as long as the cartel has the strength it has, break the cartel and you have a slither of a chance.......You know it makes sense. You constantly mention the "cartel" - who exactly are they and why? I think you'll find that different groups or individuals are influencing different things. In terms of NZTR, track promotion, race programming and the draft licensing rules if that is being influenced by anyone it is a small number out of Cambridge. Don't forget the cry from Pike and friends to shift the Guineas north. Te Akau didn't support that at all. According to the NZ Trainers Association they are fully supportive of the proposed changes and if you read their website you will find similar phrasing as used in the draft proposals. https://www.nztrainers.co.nz/ Those on the NZ Trainers Association are: Shaun Clotworthy - President (Is he actually training anymore?) Wendy Cooper - CEO Moira Murdoch - VP North Island Michael Pitman - VP South Island @Pitman Robert Wellwood Gary Vile John Wheeler Andrew Carston Sally Mackay Jim Burns https://www.nztrainers.co.nz/about/ So WHO IS THE CARTEL? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 You know who the cartel is, stop playing games, everyone on here knows who the cartel is, all you have to do is watch Weigh In. The cartel hasn't changed much over the years, the addition of a few young faces but in general same old same old. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 16 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: You know who the cartel is, stop playing games, everyone on here knows who the cartel is, all you have to do is watch Weigh In. The cartel hasn't changed much over the years, the addition of a few young faces but in general same old same old. I'm not playing games. It is a serious question. A few dominating the breeding industry doesn't constitute a "cartel" in my opinion. Who are the members of the cartel and how do they control racing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 I'm not playing this game, one member of the cartel is notoriously litigious and has a very thin skin, lets just say it's not limited to a breeding slant, it's a cross section of our industry, and everyone with an insight on here knows who they are.....except you apparently Chief. You need to get out more, I know it's been hard in Cinderella's NZ, but the cartel far pre-dates Covid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 4 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: I'm not playing this game, one member of the cartel is notoriously litigious and has a very thin skin, lets just say it's not limited to a breeding slant, it's a cross section of our industry, and everyone with an insight on here knows who they are.....except you apparently Chief. You need to get out more, I know it's been hard in Cinderella's NZ, but the cartel far pre-dates Covid. You can't name names because "The Cartel" is a myth. Perpetuating that myth doesn't do the industry any favours because it creates this mythical construct that can't be targeted. Some benefit from that myth being perpetuated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 How did Winnie get in then? Where did his funding come from.......you're just looking for click bait, grow up man, you know the Cartel exists, and you know bloody well who's in it, they would have recruited Pablo Escobar if they could I bet, he could have raced a few, if you really love this game you'd discreetly lobby a few of them, use your intellect to 'turn them', if they turned [full circle] the rest would follow and you'd have that power over Petone......and the industry would then go north [financially] not south [broke] as it's heading.........over and out!......surfs up, waxed the board, going down to hang ten...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 8, 2022 Share Posted January 8, 2022 So who belongs to your mysterious grouping of nameless individuals that form "The Cartel" at Awapuni and Riccarton? Surely Pitty @Pitman isn't a member? No it isn't "click baiting" - it is a serious question. If you give credence to this mysterious grouping of individuals then you inhibit the potential for all stakeholders to speak out and bring about change. They think "oh woe is me, the Cartel is in charge and that is the cause of all my problems and I'm too small to fight back"..... They reality is as a formal group they don't exist!!!! Who in the Top 5 on the Trainers Premiership are in The Cartel? "Dummy" Myers can't be - I can't imagine The Cartel taking a team of horses to the West Coast. I don't imagine Lisa Latta is. Te Akau is dominating the Premiership Table with more Stakes than places 2 and 3 combined. Miles ahead on the G & L wins. Is Te Akau "The Cartel"? Or are they entirely focused on their business? Remember Ellis was at odds with Pike et al about shifting the Guineas. Was that a ruse to disguise who were true members of "The Cartel"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 If you go back through my posts you'll see I mention the 'northern cartel' in most posts, if you ask most in the CD and SI they'll agree, except for those with the same agenda, although I doubt that, it's more self preservation in CD and SI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 A cartel is a group of people with a common purpose, the Labour Party the National Party, The Greens, all, some for the greater good, some with the primary intent of gaining an edge to further their interests........business and sport are no different, riding that fine line between what's legal and what's immoral or illegal is the test. Many contributors on here have voiced their opines on the uneven playing field, the bias shown to the north, you yourself have agreed, BDL has attacked NZTR and rightly so, however, Peters got cozy to people who for reasons only known to themselves helped him gain office, grass roots are still suffering from that agenda, and how many decisions were made after the crazy flawed Messara report? I could go on but I fear I'm wasting my time, so that's my last word, I'm happy to comment on other issues, but I'm done with this discourse.....No doubt as is your advantage you'll have the last word.......congratulations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 9 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: Many contributors on here have voiced their opines on the uneven playing field, the bias shown to the north, you yourself have agreed, BDL has attacked NZTR and rightly so But that isn't because there is this mythical cartel running things. It is because there is mismanagement and poor administration and no one holding them to account. @Pitman has a go when he doesn't get more than an equitable share for the abandonment of Wellington. Hasn't he been talking about building a satellite stable in the North for years? Why does he remain silent about the issues at Riccarton? Self-interest. Yet he isn't part of your "The Cartel" is he? 13 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: Peters got cozy to people who for reasons only known to themselves helped him gain office, grass roots are still suffering from that agenda, and how many decisions were made after the crazy flawed Messara report Peter's "got cozy" with all sorts of people - that is his modus operandi. He is a charlatan. Did the Northern Cartel want AWT's at Awapuni and Riccarton? Peter's bailed the TAB out from insolvency - doesn't that benefit the entire industry not just "The Cartel"? As for the crazy Messara report - key parts of it weren't implemented. The biggest recommendation being the contracting of the wagering operation to an overseas operator. 16 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: I could go on but I fear I'm wasting my time, so that's my last word, I'm happy to comment on other issues, but I'm done with this discourse.....No doubt as is your advantage you'll have the last word.......congratulations. Joe - it isn't about having the last word. WHO IS THE CARTEL AND HOW ARE THEY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CURRENT ISSUES WITH NZ RACING? It is a bit glib to say it is "The Cartels' fault" when they are nameless. The Cartel is a myth - it is a bit like the Devil or the Bogie Man - someone to blame for what is wrong. The issues lie with the rank and file who just keep on accepting shyte racing administration in their own realm because they fear they will be disadvantaged if they speak out. They are also to blame because they don't put aside their self-interest and fear and talk to each other and seek change as a collective. "Oh well it is The Cartel that is running things and they are big and I can't compete". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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