Chief Stipe Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Huey said: I thought most people in the industry realised TA success is largely based on buying high quality yearlings in volume, something no other stable in NZ seems to be able to achieve Isn't that the model all the top Oz trainers use? Ciaron Maher spent over $15 million at the Magic Millions sale. Which is only the first sale of the season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 6 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Isn't that the model all the top Oz trainers use? Ciaron Maher spent over $15 million at the Magic Millions sale. Which is only the first sale of the season! Too a degree, the difference being there isn't just one of them doing it there is about 10-15 stables if not more and none of them really have a mortgage on the Jockeys or in our case "the" Jockey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 On 22/01/2022 at 6:52 PM, Chief Stipe said: Richards is going to have to step to another level in Hong Kong 8f he is going to be successful. In NZ he has a proven team behind and around him. Honkers is a different kettle of fish. Part of me wonders if he wants to go to give himself a challenge, I think he is well aware of the lay of the land in NZ, HK will pose a challenge for him and he is more than capable of stepping up to that challenge imo. But like most things in racing it will take time to build , but looking at his worth ethic and temperament he looks odds on to do it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: World leaders in what exactly? Racing professionalism and governance. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peanut Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Jason Bridgman also had a proven team behind him but was a relative failure. Jamie Richards isn’t just an exceptional trainer he is a great communicator with charisma in spades that Mark Walker has in spoons.. Teakau can spin all they like they will miss Richards terribly but Richards certainly wont miss sending out all those emails to owners telling them their expensive pick of the sale horse purchased by principal Dave cant run fast enough to keep warm. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, Peanut said: Jason Bridgman also had a proven team behind him but was a relative failure. Jamie Richards isn’t just an exceptional trainer he is a great communicator with charisma in spades that Mark Walker has in spoons.. Teakau can spin all they like they will miss Richards terribly but Richards certainly wont miss sending out all those emails to owners telling them their expensive pick of the sale horse purchased by principal Dave cant run fast enough to keep warm. So true, but I think NZ racing was in a bit better shape back when Bridgman was about. Agree though Richards has done a fantastic job no denying that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, Peanut said: Richards certainly wont miss sending out all those emails to owners telling them their expensive pick of the sale horse purchased by principal Dave cant run fast enough to keep warm. Isn't that a call made by the Trainers of 95%+ of the yearlings bought at the K1 sale? I guess now Richards won't have DC to apologise for....just himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 30 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: Racing professionalism and governance. That's an easy task when you only have two race tracks and a highly closed system funded by a secure monopoly on the wagering activities of a very large population. I guess you'd prefer the closed system model in NZ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 And,......what happens when Russia takes Ukraine? Russia and China have now formed an alliance according to Jim Molan our respected Senator and former leader of the coalition forces in Iraq. If China has Russia's back then Hong Kong could become a very dangerous place......you think? ....or am I just a nutty conspiracy theorist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 31 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: That's an easy task when you only have two race tracks and a highly closed system funded by a secure monopoly on the wagering activities of a very large population. I guess you'd prefer the closed system model in NZ? I gave a factual answer to satisfy your query . Once again you resort to non sequitur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: And,......what happens when Russia takes Ukraine? Russia and China have now formed an alliance according to Jim Molan our respected Senator and former leader of the coalition forces in Iraq. If China has Russia's back then Hong Kong could become a very dangerous place......you think? ....or am I just a nutty conspiracy theorist. A nutty conspiracy theory. When so many of the Chinese Government Elite like a punt you won't see threats to Hong Kong from within. It is unlikely either the Chinese and anyone else will engage in war close to Hong Kong. A bigger threat would be if Governments of the horse exporting countries of the world agreed to ban horse exports to Hong Kong in retaliation for actions elsewhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: And,......what happens when Russia takes Ukraine? Russia and China have now formed an alliance according to Jim Molan our respected Senator and former leader of the coalition forces in Iraq. If China has Russia's back then Hong Kong could become a very dangerous place......you think? ....or am I just a nutty conspiracy theorist. Russia and China serve a role in reigning in U.S aggression. Both have the resources to combat the American bullying and imperialism prevalent especially since WW2. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: I gave a factual answer to satisfy your query . Once again you resort to non sequitur. You frequently use terms you do not understand e.g. non sequitur. Your factual answer without any supporting evidence is that Hong Kong is the world leader in professionalism and governance in racing. On what basis do you contend that that statement is a fact? My response was that if that is correct then the reason for that is the unique circumstances under which the Hong Kong Jockey Club operates. A monopoly, closed system with complete control. So your assertion is that the HKJC is better than any other racing jurisdiction in the world. What metrics are you using to justify that statement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 Just now, holy ravioli said: Russia and China serve a role in reigning in U.S aggression. Both have the resources to combat the American bullying and imperialism prevalent especially since WW2. Now that's a non sequitur as it meets the comedic criteria for one!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: You frequently use terms you do not understand e.g. non sequitur. Your factual answer without any supporting evidence is that Hong Kong is the world leader in professionalism and governance in racing. On what basis do you contend that that statement is a fact? My response was that if that is correct then the reason for that is the unique circumstances under which the Hong Kong Jockey Club operates. A monopoly, closed system with complete control. So your assertion is that the HKJC is better than any other racing jurisdiction in the world. What metrics are you using to justify that statement? Surprisingly some of the ones you stated are quite...relevant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Now that's a non sequitur as it meets the comedic criteria for one!!!! There is no ' comedic' requirement for a NS. I see your knowledge of geo politics is at about the same level as your assessments of jockeys...abilities!😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 7 minutes ago, holy ravioli said: I see your knowledge of geo politics is at about the same level as your assessments of jockeys Where have I professed to know anything about geo-politics? I just made the comment that I don't see the CCP closing down the HKJC and that any threat to it would be retaliation by the Governments of horse exporting countries in the form of a ban. Internally there will continue to be tension within Hong Kong generated by the pro-democracy movement. But as you no doubt applaud authoritarian regimes are very good at closing down dissent from the party line. Now back to your comment that the HKJC are the world leaders in racing professionalism and governance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomates Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 2 hours ago, Huey said: Part of me wonders if he wants to go to give himself a challenge, I think he is well aware of the lay of the land in NZ, HK will pose a challenge for him and he is more than capable of stepping up to that challenge imo. But like most things in racing it will take time to build , but looking at his worth ethic and temperament he looks odds on to do it. I agree Huey , it must be getting boring , i do wonder if the the delay in getting a stable going in Aus because of Covid has had an influence in his decision . It would be interesting to know if it was a team decision to put Aus on hold or DE's alone . I think he thought that was his stepping stone to a permanent move . I also believe HK is purely a stepping stone till a real opportunity opens up in Aus , i would think 4/5 years in HK then move . IMO where ever he goes he will be a massive success , got all the attributes and the owners in HK will love him and so long as he is winning getting horses wont be an issue . Got all the attributes as you say and TA are going to be the lesser for him going . I never got M Walker , to much of the corporate speak when he was there , and definitely doesn't have the public persona that Richards has , so will be interesting when he comes back . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: A nutty conspiracy theory. When so many of the Chinese Government Elite like a punt you won't see threats to Hong Kong from within. It is unlikely either the Chinese and anyone else will engage in war close to Hong Kong. A bigger threat would be if Governments of the horse exporting countries of the world agreed to ban horse exports to Hong Kong in retaliation for actions elsewhere. Fuck you're naive Chief, The Americans have huge bases in Guam, Japan and The Phillipines, if there's a war you think just because those low life Chinese communist arseholes will still troop down to Shit tin and Hoppy Valley to put their money through the cashier? FFS grow up, NZ pissed USA right off when Lange told them to fuck off, and fuck off they did, France and Australia will have to try and save NZ's arse because we have to look after the Pacific because the leaky boat of RNZN wont be able to stave off the imperial Chinese forces.......you obviously love CNN and BBC boss, because you just don't get it. We need to be pro-active not reactive, USA have already recalled their staff from their Embassy in Kiev so if Putin goes in, then so does NATO and then comes the Chinese....if they honour their word of course, and HK will be a gone burger, and all those filthy rich trainer and jockeys will need to troop off quick smart before their arses explode.....the horses of course wont be repatriated, they'll go the same way as the animals in other war torn countries.......suck it up.......FFS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 hour ago, holy ravioli said: Russia and China serve a role in reigning in U.S aggression. Both have the resources to combat the American bullying and imperialism prevalent especially since WW2. You really are a fuckwit Pasta Boy, and a dangerous fuckwit, with views like that you'll be standing waving a Chinese flag when they arrive FFS......ask you old man about Neville Chamberlain and why we all had to go to war in 1939......FFS, you conscientious objector you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bloggs Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: Fuck you're naive Chief, The Americans have huge bases in Guam, Japan and The Phillipines, if there's a war you think just because those low life Chinese communist arseholes will still troop down to Shit tin and Hoppy Valley to put their money through the cashier? FFS grow up, NZ pissed USA right off when Lange told them to fuck off, and fuck off they did, France and Australia will have to try and save NZ's arse because we have to look after the Pacific because the leaky boat of RNZN wont be able to stave off the imperial Chinese forces.......you obviously love CNN and BBC boss, because you just don't get it. We need to be pro-active not reactive, USA have already recalled their staff from their Embassy in Kiev so if Putin goes in, then so does NATO and then comes the Chinese....if they honour their word of course, and HK will be a gone burger, and all those filthy rich trainer and jockeys will need to troop off quick smart before their arses explode.....the horses of course wont be repatriated, they'll go the same way as the animals in other war torn countries.......suck it up.......FFS. Jesus that's poignant ain't it ? I just noticed how many likes I have = 888 the Chinese lucky number, well fuck me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Joe Bloggs said: You really are a fuckwit Pasta Boy, and a dangerous fuckwit, with views like that you'll be standing waving a Chinese flag when they arrive FFS......ask you old man about Neville Chamberlain and why we all had to go to war in 1939......FFS, you conscientious objector you. You have been marinated in U.S propaganda your whole life...'America has no friends or enemies...just interests'-H.Kissinger. The U.S have invaded 37 countries since WW2..Do some research ..try the U.S Marines esteemed...Major-Gen Smedley-Butler..recent biography just out and LEARN something..FFS! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mumbles Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 USA may have invaded 30 plus countries but China and Russia dont have to.They kill their own people and plenty of them. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 41 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said: USA have already recalled their staff from their Embassy in Kiev so if Putin goes in, then so does NATO and then comes the Chinese.... The USA have pulled their staff as part of the posturing and power plays that go on in the pre-war dance. The Ukraine is not part of NATO so that organisation has no mandate to protect the Ukraine. If you mean by "then comes China" that China will send in arms and troops to the Ukraine well naivety wouldn't even describe that statement. China have always played close to home and their current concerns are India and Taiwan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
holy ravioli Posted January 23, 2022 Share Posted January 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, mumbles said: USA may have invaded 30 plus countries but China and Russia dont have to.They kill their own people and plenty of them. Very strange 'logic' there...what threat do Russia and China present to NZ or any other country ..for that matter.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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