Chief Stipe Posted January 30, 2022 Author Share Posted January 30, 2022 8 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Well they (tab and bookies) need to return a profit to operate properly. But some are restricted to ridiculously small amounts e.g. $20. Wouldn't it be great if the RIB published the betting analysis from yesterdays Stellar Delightful win?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 58 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Wonder how the TAB deals with BoysGetPaid big bets ? they must employ someone to handle it I guess ?? They just accepted the 137,742 @ 7.26 without hesitation. Publicity stunt. May have laid it off with a corporate in Aussie, maybe not. Harder to get a $50 bonus bet on at the "Red Hots" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hunterthepunter Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: That elderly bloke that closely follows the tote pools might know for sure. railway sleeper guy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 18 minutes ago, Rangatira said: They just accepted the 137,742 @ 7.26 without hesitation. Publicity stunt. May have laid it off with a corporate in Aussie, maybe not. Harder to get a $50 bonus bet on at the "Red Hots" Any losses came out of the marketing budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 31 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said: railway sleeper guy? You could be on the money Elmer. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 I'm very surprised a very prominent owner can accuse online the leading trainer of doping their horses without any consequences. Undermines the integrity of the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Unfortunately as is always the case, when you have many horse trainers operating in close proximity in a training area/ barn or BEACH , accusations fly around when someone is DQed for a positive or milkshake or whatever and everyone in contact with them past or present is a BAD GUY because they know them/ knew them or even mentored them lol . some parties get tangled up by those getting dobbed in too. ( as Fitzgerald did) all remarkably similar to harness forums really lol ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 27 minutes ago, Gammalite said: Unfortunately as is always the case, when you have many horse trainers operating in close proximity in a training area/ barn or BEACH , accusations fly around when someone is DQed for a positive or milkshake or whatever and everyone in contact with them past or present is a BAD GUY because they know them/ knew them or even mentored them lol . some parties get tangled up by those getting dobbed in too. ( as Fitzgerald did) all remarkably similar to harness forums really lol ? Perhaps attention should be directed towards the RIB. Contrary to some conspiracy theorists modern testing can find any anomaly if you put in the effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said: I'm very surprised a very prominent owner can accuse online the leading trainer of doping their horses without any consequences. Undermines the integrity of the sport. Imagine if the allegations were made the other way around, with their trainer as the target. How easy is it to throw mud around?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Stipe Posted January 31, 2022 Author Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, Ludwig said: Imagine if the allegations were made the other way around, with their trainer as the target. How easy is it to throw mud around?! Well I'd be asking them to put up or shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 16 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said: Well I'd be asking them to put up or shut up. Bizarre that some of the rabble rousers left this site in a huff, but are now happy to move elsewhere, bad mouth this site and cast around aspersions.!! Think they need some mallow puffs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the galah Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, Gammalite said: This is because your selections are strong chances in the races. I'd say all the posters here have the same problem, as they All follow the form and know the best horses each race with the best winning chance. (usually from the top 10 stables) Always likely to be coming in (the price) . Blowing out is sure a bad sign ,especially at the gallops . I do just fixed price. (usually similar anyway , but know exactly what i'm getting and do multi's mainly . TAB prices are always likely to come in quickly and late on too. the owner , or betting team wouldn't want for example, all the PUB punters , who follow the money getting on late as well . That would drop the price further I suspect.?? So the bet goes on in the last minute or 2 before race-time. Stella's Delight was just an example of the bets going on early, which happens time to time. I didn't see a problem. Wonder how the TAB deals with BoysGetPaid big bets ? they must employ someone to handle it I guess ?? All good points but i'm also sure the TAB have some type of computer programme or some type of alert system which operates on some tab account holders.For example they know if someone is constantly betting similarly on 2 different accounts,thus when it comes to putting bets on the second account the odds are always reduced within 10 seconds of the bets going on the first account. Thats more than coincidence. Edited January 31, 2022 by the galah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gammalite Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 20 minutes ago, the galah said: All good points but i'm also sure the TAB have some type of computer programme or some type of alert system which operates on some tab account holders.For example they know if someone is constantly betting similarly on 2 different accounts,thus when it comes to putting bets on the second account the odds are always reduced within 10 seconds of the bets going on the first account. Thats more than coincidence. Yeah it really looks a hard thing to get a bet on at times ! Chief was saying at the top of this page some are restricted to $20 bets . wow ! that is a small amount. I guess corporate bookies have their 'Customer ' lists that are allowed to place big bets , as long as they consistantly place bets to give the Books a chance. I suspect BGP are a group like that with the TAB. Because they spend so much they get allowances . TABS near me are getting quieter and quieter. If you are a win bet punter why put a bet on at the TAB on Saturday metro racing ? when there's a 'free bet' return given for 2nd 3rd and sometimes 4th if you get beat (up to $50 value ) TAB doesn't do that , they keep the $50 and say "next please" !! lol , so I gave up using them (TAB) when Corp books give the same odds anyway, and have taken all my $50 bets so far . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 22 hours ago, Chief Stipe said: Hardly a cheap shot @Forbury. Don't you think it is a bit off for a prominent owner to cast aspersions or allegations against NZ's Leading Trainer without posting any evidence? Then hides behind a private Facebook page? Perhaps some should look closer at those who throw the first stones! Wtf.you have moderated me.i have not posted anything in months as a result and never will again.it took me $180 to bring a horse from 12 to 6 in NZ tab and Australia tab and I wasn't allowed to put anymore on.it got beat inches with Rory on the grass.steve lock trains now and it won with Alana on it recently.i don't even bet on NZ trots no more as pick six is dead and buried and so are the bookies.since it's changed to rating system it's reduced the outsiders seventy five percent.now there's no pools either.its a sinking ship not worth following anymore.what makes me laugh is someone as great as Mathew Williamson does even get many drives.its the home of wasted talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 18 hours ago, Rangatira said: You could be on the money Elmer. Finding it hard to get the sleepers! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Personally can not see why people bet on the tote, as the winning divs posted are not worth the effort, and it is showing in the tote pools on harness. Bot sure about gallops as I dont bother! The so called Bookies are not encouraging wagering as they are so risk averse! I would say the only thing that is going to keep the NZ TAB afloat in the future is the overseas racing and Sports Betting! There is no way in hell that they are covering costs from wagering for the amount of stake money that is being paid out and required to keep racing going in NZ! Yes, punters allowed to netting g as little as $20 on a bet is happening, so why bother! The Galaah is correct, as soon as certain punters put on a pathetic amount, the odds are slashed by around 25% at least. The punter is then not allowed to have another go at the reduced odds!!!!!! All this does is puts off other punters from betting on this horse!!! This undermines what the TAB should be doing in increasing turnover and enticing new punters to bet! However, if you were young and looking to bet into harness racing, I would question why they would if they were looking to be successful! TAB Bookies do not give a rats arse, as they are only looking to get their salary! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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