Brodie Posted March 1, 2022 Share Posted March 1, 2022 Just looking thru fields for this weeks meetings! Auckland Friday night has 8 races and average 7 horses per race. One race has 5 starters and many of the others not really worth the effort, especially for punters! The races are all got very good stake money but it is clearly evident that Auckland harness is in dire need of help to remain viable! Just not sure it can be rectified by the way things are going and the amount of debt it still holds! Horrible punting fields generally wont be attracting much interest from the punters that they need to be attracting, and that is the larger amount punters!! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Huey Posted March 4, 2022 Share Posted March 4, 2022 Six races with no 3rd divvy says it all. Four races at Awapuni with no 3rd divvy yesterday also. Gallops code will get where harness is soon enough if it continues to be run like it is. At least their mandates have protected the industry from Covid - LMAO! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Have you seen the fields for the "big" night at Auckland this Friday?. Eight races, seven of which are just seven horses or fewer. Meanwhile, Waimate has 168 nominations for Sunday, yet isn't even allowed to run on its own course. Ridiculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, Ludwig said: Have you seen the fields for the "big" night at Auckland this Friday?. Eight races, seven of which are just seven horses or fewer. Meanwhile, Waimate has 168 nominations for Sunday, yet isn't even allowed to run on its own course. Ridiculous. It gets worse, no idea how Auckland can possibly get out of this predicament? Lights out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 54 minutes ago, Brodie said: Lights out! Trial run last week was a success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 55 horses over 8 races is average 7 per race! Total stakes for the 8 races is $389k, So the horses lining up are going to take home on average over $7k per horse! How on earth is the industry able to support this???? Punting wise it is an absolute flop and without wagering then they will fall on their sword surely? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Brodie said: Punting wise it is an absolute flop and without wagering then they will fall on their sword surely? Punters will punt away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonkatime! Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Rangatira said: Punters will punt away. Unless they are restricted. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Tonkatime! said: Unless they are restricted. They have been identified as a risk to the industries well being so perfectly understandable. Vehicle of choice when collecting for a now restricted punter. Edited March 22, 2022 by Rangatira 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 22, 2022 Author Share Posted March 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Rangatira said: Punters will punt away. Let’s just see how much is wagered at Auckland compared to Addington! The tote odds at Auckland will be pathetic and why would,you bother! Fixed would be better if you want to buy it! Addington will attract far more! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 I don't know why the last time this was explained hasn't sunk in with a certain poster It is quite simple The ATC does not generate enough wagering on a Friday night to return to the industry enough to cover the payout they receive in order to run such Friday night races, that's a normal Friday with normal stakes The ATC receive a higher payout per race than any other Club in the country other than NZMTC The stakes for this week are subsidised by (1) the ongoing redistribution of income earnt by country Clubs in the South Island from their higher Turnovers and (b) the Group Race Subsidy Fund, which is also funded by redistributing the income earnt by the same Clubs in (a) above 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 13 minutes ago, Mikie said: I don't know why the last time this was explained hasn't sunk in with a certain poster It is quite simple The ATC does not generate enough wagering on a Friday night to return to the industry enough to cover the payout they receive in order to run such Friday night races, that's a normal Friday with normal stakes The ATC receive a higher payout per race than any other Club in the country other than NZMTC The stakes for this week are subsidised by (1) the ongoing redistribution of income earnt by country Clubs in the South Island from their higher Turnovers and (b) the Group Race Subsidy Fund, which is also funded by redistributing the income earnt by the same Clubs in (a) above I've often wondered why Westport don't pay some of the highest stakes, Boxing Day turnover is always one of the biggest of the season yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 14 hours ago, mikeynz said: I've often wondered why Westport don't pay some of the highest stakes, Boxing Day turnover is always one of the biggest of the season yet? Because clubs have found that stakes levels have virtually no impact on field sizes and punting within certain ranges. Increasing stakes by $2,000 a race would cost Westport $40,000+ over the two days with no impact on field sizes and turnover. A classic example is today's Pukekohe gallops. On a soft track and with reasonable weather they have increased stakes by $3,000 a race, a 25% increase, $24,000 over the 8 races. They have field sizes of 10,8,5,5,7,7,4,8. Almost as bad as the Auckland trots. Must be an Auckland thing. There is no incentiove for clubs to contribute any of their own money these days. They have all had the stuffing and any sense of enthusiasm kicked out of them. The only Southern club that makes much of an effort is Riverton who run for $15,000 on New Years day. The Invercargill gallops put an extra $20,000 into their Guineas race, but I doubt it attracted one extra horse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 23, 2022 Author Share Posted March 23, 2022 Auckland need to be given a dose of realism!! They are a drain on harness racing in NZ and time they paid their way! The apartment developing was a rank failure and yet the rest of NZ has to pay!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludwig Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 27 minutes ago, Brodie said: Auckland need to be given a dose of realism!! They are a drain on harness racing in NZ and time they paid their way! The apartment developing was a rank failure and yet the rest of NZ has to pay!!! Agree. And I became tired of a dopey "Karen", whining at me, "you're just anti Auckland". No, tired of the drain on the country, and it should be made to pay its own way. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeynz Posted March 23, 2022 Share Posted March 23, 2022 9 hours ago, Doomed said: Because clubs have found that stakes levels have virtually no impact on field sizes and punting within certain ranges. Increasing stakes by $2,000 a race would cost Westport $40,000+ over the two days with no impact on field sizes and turnover. A classic example is today's Pukekohe gallops. On a soft track and with reasonable weather they have increased stakes by $3,000 a race, a 25% increase, $24,000 over the 8 races. They have field sizes of 10,8,5,5,7,7,4,8. Almost as bad as the Auckland trots. Must be an Auckland thing. There is no incentiove for clubs to contribute any of their own money these days. They have all had the stuffing and any sense of enthusiasm kicked out of them. The only Southern club that makes much of an effort is Riverton who run for $15,000 on New Years day. The Invercargill gallops put an extra $20,000 into their Guineas race, but I doubt it attracted one extra horse. I suspect clubs like Westport might be subsidizing clubs like Auckland, maybe I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 15 hours ago, mikeynz said: I suspect clubs like Westport might be subsidizing clubs like Auckland, maybe I'm wrong. Why do you only "suspect" it Mikeynz There have been numerous posts, including 1 on this thread, telling you that that is the case 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongOwner Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 Harness Racing needs Auckland to perform so we need to prop them until things even up and they improve . No Auckland Harness the sport will die . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 24, 2022 Author Share Posted March 24, 2022 39 minutes ago, LongOwner said: Harness Racing needs Auckland to perform so we need to prop them until things even up and they improve . No Auckland Harness the sport will die . LongOwner, how long is going to be though? It has been propped up for awhile wouldnt you say? Also, without owners and punters unfortunately you havent got harness racing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 On 3/1/2022 at 12:41 PM, Brodie said: Just looking thru fields for this weeks meetings! Auckland Friday night has 8 races and average 7 horses per race. One race has 5 starters and many of the others not really worth the effort, especially for punters! The races are all got very good stake money but it is clearly evident that Auckland harness is in dire need of help to remain viable! Just not sure it can be rectified by the way things are going and the amount of debt it still holds! Horrible punting fields generally wont be attracting much interest from the punters that they need to be attracting, and that is the larger amount punters!! Brodie on the money.i just went through fields at atc and I'm not even going to watch on protest.what a disgrace!.not sadly atc is r.i.p.i hate that goat track with that disgraceful last bend. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 43 minutes ago, LongOwner said: Harness Racing needs Auckland to perform so we need to prop them until things even up and they improve . No Auckland Harness the sport will die . No it won't move on.auckland track is a disgrace.build a new one or just race at cambridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forbury Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 On 3/22/2022 at 6:56 PM, mikeynz said: I've often wondered why Westport don't pay some of the highest stakes, Boxing Day turnover is always one of the biggest of the season yet? That's right and we can have 24 races then too.all day long morning to the start of night!it would be fantastic with huge fields.every horse on the South island would come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomed Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 54 minutes ago, LongOwner said: Harness Racing needs Auckland to perform so we need to prop them until things even up and they improve . No Auckland Harness the sport will die . We have got by without Wgtn for about 30 years and now Dunedin for a year of so, so Auckland is probably the next logical step. Let it consolidate in the SI. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brodie Posted March 24, 2022 Author Share Posted March 24, 2022 Looked at the Fixed Odds and seriously nothing worth having a crack at the way I invest! To be fair you couldnt really expect too much due to the fields but it really is showing that racing in the North is on life support! Michael Guerin and Craig Thompson can come out and say dont be so negative, but even the most optimistic person couldnt possibly put a positive spin on it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangatira Posted March 24, 2022 Share Posted March 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, Brodie said: Looked at the Fixed Odds and seriously nothing worth having a crack at the way I invest! To be fair you couldnt really expect too much due to the fields but it really is showing that racing in the North is on life support! Michael Guerin and Craig Thompson can come out and say dont be so negative, but even the most optimistic person couldnt possibly put a positive spin on it!! Folk all dressed up with somewhere to go. Great to be alive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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