Brodie's Views on NZ Politics and Vaccines #22,356

[hunterthepunter]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

WTF does it have to do with AIDS?  

wtf has this got to do with harness racing?

[Chief Stipe]

20 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said:

wtf has this got to do with harness racing?

Feel free to start a Topic @hunterthepunter.  The floor's yours!

[Brodie]

57 minutes ago, hunterthepunter said:

wtf has this got to do with harness racing?

Hunter, what is going on at the moment has got a helluva lot to do with harness racing!

We let this Communist leader  get control like she wants, and there is no harness racing!

Her castle is starting to crumble and not before time!

Watch as she has no idea of shat to do as she has been able to hide behind the deadly virus!

People are finally waking up to the fact that they have no idea whatsoever of how to run anything successfully!

 

[Walt]

Hey Brodie,

 

You've encouraged discussion so I will engage. In doing so I first acknowledge that I enjoy a debate / discussion on many topics but I can say with some certainty that the most pointless debates I've ever entered into are with the anti-vax brigade who are invariably also anti-lockdown, anti-facemasks, anti-mandates and many even believe SARS-CoV-2  is a hoax.

 

I will share my background. I had all the usual vaccinations as a child and have the flu vaccine every year.

 

When my first daughter was about to be born we started looking into vaccinations and recoiled in shock. This is pre Youtube days. I read that New Zealand were importing the cheaper generic vaccinations and how they came with considerable risk and that the Government was keeping that risk covered up from New Zealanders. I have little or no trust in politicians so that resonated with me. I also read that healthy babies were suffering sudden brain seizures after taking the vaccine and were now in a vegetative state.  Once again it claimed the Government was keeping this tragic information from Kiwi's despite it not being a rare event. We made what we believed was an "informed choice" not to have our children vaccinated. Unfortunately, we had been informed with complete bullshit by an anti-vax movement that have become expert in feeding people dangerous misinformation (bullshit). When I look back I feel embarrassed by the farcical "informed choice" we bought into.

 

It's really important to separate our feelings about Jacinda Ardern and her colleagues when making important decisions about Covid and the vaccine etc. In the interest of transparency, I will declare my hand. I voted for the first time in 2020 despite being in my 50's. I disliked what National did to NZ and the growing reliance on China. The low wage economy had run it's course. Their denials of the growing housing crisis were very concerning. I also had concerns with the mass immigration policy forever changing the face of our beautiful country at break neck speed. Putting $$ before people and then calling it a rock star economy was not the NZ I wanted to leave behind. I strongly disagree with you about Ardern being unqualified for the role of PM and referring to a role she once had in a takeaway as a young teenager in sleepy Morrinsville as evidence. There is clear misogyny in that perspective. What I saw with her was a hard working and extremely intelligent person. In 2017, National were sleepwalking to a third term. 9 weeks out from election day the inept Andrew Little finally fell on his leadership sword. This should have occurred 18 months earlier as the man is like bland wallpaper and never even for a moment resonated with the public. Even when John Key suddenly stepped down, Andrew Little actually dropped even further in the preferred PM poll. 

 

Ardern had zero hope of winning in 2017 going up against a well oiled National Party machine desperate to retain power. Had it not been for the dead cat on the table 11 billion dollar fiscal hole from Steven Joyce, Labour would likely have won in 2017 without the need or input of Winston Peters. Anyone capable of doing what Ardern did in that 9 weeks under the circumstances she faced, is well capable of being the NZ PM. When you put her up against Bill English for example, you saw a young modern leader who was an excellent communicator going up against a boring bean counter that was about as inspiring as flat warm beer. 

 

Labour and Ardern have got somethings right in their four and a half years but the list of failures grow every month. They have been extremely disappointing. Todd Muller was right when he said Ardern was surrounded by a bunch of empty chairs. Most of those empty chairs have ridden the coattails of Ardern. Having the absolutely useless Phil Twyford as the Housing Minister at any time would be diabolical but during a housing crisis is a different level of incompetence. To prove they had learned nothing from that disaster they replaced Twyford with the equally inept and morbidly obese Megan Woods. Labour have no clue how to deal with the housing crisis. Getting Judith Collins and National onboard in 2021 proved yet again just how far out of their depth Labour is. Ardern was upbeat about Kiwibuild. Then when that was an epic fail, she was upbeat about the "reset". That has also been a costly fail but she remains upbeat despite what we can all see. Being "upbeat" is helpful for a sales manager to their sales staff but kiwi's have had enough of the sales pitch that is producing SFA. No doubt the captain of the Titanic was upbeat when he headed off into the Atlantic in April 2012. Where is the Titanic now and how helpful was Captain Smith being upbeat? The latest epic fail was the Government response to Supermarkets rorting Kiwi's for decades. What is clear is that the Government has no real clue how to deal with it so they abdicate responsibility and farcically put it back onto the very people ripping you off. 

 

I like many have become increasingly disillusioned with Ardern and her Government. I don't know what the answer is but I'm 100% certain I know what the answer isn't. The National Party.

 

When Covid arrived in NZ in early 2020, I hoped the response would be led by epidemiologists, virologists and respected medical professionals etc. I hoped there would be a campaign showing kiwi's exactly what was coming and how and why we would manage the risks. Instead, it was led by a politician in Ardern and her tag team partner Ashley Bloomfield who only ever rubber stamped the input of the other. Education was replaced with relentless instruction. The approach of Ardern was arrogant. She obviously felt her popularity at the time would be enough to get the job done but she didn't put enough weight on several other very important factors. 1) Many people don't trust politicians but trust of the Covid messenger is very important. 2) Many people didn't vote for Labour so are less likely to respect their big calls. 3) Many adults strongly resent being told what to do. 4) Many males dislike female leaders so are less likely to respect their big calls. 5) Up to 40% of Americans (140 million + people) are seen as Anti-Vax so that aspect was always going to raise it's head here.

 

Despite the above, I believe Ardern has done a very good job of getting NZ through this pandemic with the minimum loss of life compared to similar sized countries elsewhere but it wasn't rocket science. NZ was gifted the benefit of time. We could see early on what was happening elsewhere and how best to mitigate risk. Lockdown was the appropriate response but for that to achieve the best outcome we needed to act promptly. Ardern did this despite widespread ridicule. This was our victory against Covid but it came with a hefty price tag in more than just fiscal terms. There were however numerous failings along the way and misrepresentations from both Ardern and Bloomfield. At one point Bloomfield had clearly been encouraged from high up to accept a Covid Positive UN worker from Fiji. Not only did Bloomfield overturn his original decision not to accept the person but he also claimed he'd forgotten about the unprecedented text messages he'd received. Let's just say he was creative with the truth. When trust is hugely important, the conduct of Bloomfield was an enormous and damaging fail. That joins the list of other failings from the tag team partners. My wife is a senior health professional in Auckland as is my brother and numerous other extended family members. I can say with certainty that without exemption, everyone connected with our health system I have spoken to don't agree with many statements sold to the public as factual by the tag team partners. 

 

The painfully slow vaccine rollout in the second quarter of 2021 was a debacle. We could see what was happening elsewhere but NZ plodded along like we had years to get vaccinated. I knew of hundreds of nurses that have direct contact with patients yet were unvaccinated but remarkably the big wigs and their offsiders that had zero contact with the public were vaccinated. I knew of many 80+ year old's with other health complications but weren't able to get vaccinated until the second half of 2021 despite them being in the high risk category. In July 2021 we learned there was a positive case among frontline port workers in Tauranga. Shortly after it was confirmed 90% of these workers were unvaccinated. The most remarkable aspect of this was the Government and Ministry of Health were oblivious to this potential carnage. Not long after that the extended Auckland lockdown (Home Detention) got under way. This was entirely avoidable. I believe the Government and especially the tag team partners spent a lot of their own currency at that time. Their next fail was not to educate NZ about the vaccine and address every concern being expressed about the vaccine, especially online. Instead, Ardern chose to just instruct people relentlessly to get vaccinated, get vaccinated, get vaccinated. When an anti-vaxxer arrived on scene, she would dismiss them as being a very small minority that were not "us'. How did that work out? 

 

The best way to counter misinformation from dubious sources is to present facts from reliable sources. The Government didn't get that memo. If they did, they arrogantly ignored it.

 

I describe the anti-vax brigade as belligerent expert-novices. We are in a pandemic. Today the reported death toll from Covid is said to be 6.3 million people but many experts believe the true number of deaths now exceed 25 million. Anyone who denies the exitance of and the risks of Covid is displaying a very high level of ignorance. 

 

At this time and over the last 15 months, there is no doubt whatsoever the best tool in the Covid toolbox has been the vaccine. Yet again, a high level of ignorance and dangerous misinformation exists. The vaccine is not poison. Some of the best scientific minds on the planet urgently worked together on the vaccine construction and it has clearly saved tens of millions of lives. Those that deny that reality are the equivalent to life long members of the flat earth society. Yes, the virus evolves so the vaccine must also evolve. What has high efficacy against one variant may offer far less protection against the next variant. Should we not bother creating vaccines for that reason? Every year we have a flu vaccine. These are created on predictions. Put simply, what flu variant we had last year and what variant the experts predict we will have this year will result in what vaccine will be created.

 

I found the irony of the Wellington protestors perplexing. Some were very angry about the vaccine which many described as poison they refuse to have in their body.  At the exact same moment they were spouting that BS, many were holding a cigarette. I'm compelled to ask, what medical and or scientific background to these people have to reach their conclusions and be so adamant they couldn't possibly be wrong?

 

I should also ask about the very harsh medications I.C.U staff will inject into the body of seriously unwell Covid patients to keep them alive. Do they know what these substances are and how they work? Do they trust them? Will they refuse them? What alternative treatment do they recommend? 

 

During the Tamaki protests, I noticed placards that stated "GOD WILL SAVE THEM", Really? Why them and not all the others? Another placard stated "VITAMIN C WILL SAVE THEM"....clearly they had no understanding of even basic biology. Vitamin C is water soluble. It's excreted via urine. The human body is simply unable to store enough Vitamin C to make a meaningful difference in the Covid battle. Yes, both Vitamin C and D are helpful but are the equivalent of taking a feather duster to a gun fight. 

 

My wife was heavily involved in the HPV and Meningitis vaccination campaigns. She and all her colleagues were confronted by the anti-vax brigade and their tactics almost every day. Here's a typical scenario. A person has an undiagnosed serious health condition. They get vaccinated. Several months later the person learns of their condition and later succumbs to it. This is categorized as "potentially vaccine related". The anti-vax brigade leave out all the critically important background health details and say the following. "Person get's vaccinated, then that person dies as a result of the vaccine".

 

Yes, there are risks with vaccines but there are risks with everything. Last year many hundreds of people died after taking paracetamol. We must weigh up the risks which are a no brainer for me. The risk of having the vaccine is significantly less than the risk of not having it. As a punter we must do the math if we want to make a quid. Anyone with any real understanding of mitigating risk and basic math, has had the vaccine. 

 

[Brodie]

2 hours ago, Walt said:

Hey Brodie,

 

You've encouraged discussion so I will engage. In doing so I first acknowledge that I enjoy a debate / discussion on many topics but I can say with some certainty that the most pointless debates I've ever entered into are with the anti-vax brigade who are invariably also anti-lockdown, anti-facemasks, anti-mandates and many even believe SARS-CoV-2  is a hoax.

 

I will share my background. I had all the usual vaccinations as a child and have the flu vaccine every year.

 

When my first daughter was about to be born we started looking into vaccinations and recoiled in shock. This is pre Youtube days. I read that New Zealand were importing the cheaper generic vaccinations and how they came with considerable risk and that the Government was keeping that risk covered up from New Zealanders. I have little or no trust in politicians so that resonated with me. I also read that healthy babies were suffering sudden brain seizures after taking the vaccine and were now in a vegetative state.  Once again it claimed the Government was keeping this tragic information from Kiwi's despite it not being a rare event. We made what we believed was an "informed choice" not to have our children vaccinated. Unfortunately, we had been informed with complete bullshit by an anti-vax movement that have become expert in feeding people dangerous misinformation (bullshit). When I look back I feel embarrassed by the farcical "informed choice" we bought into.

 

It's really important to separate our feelings about Jacinda Ardern and her colleagues when making important decisions about Covid and the vaccine etc. In the interest of transparency, I will declare my hand. I voted for the first time in 2020 despite being in my 50's. I disliked what National did to NZ and the growing reliance on China. The low wage economy had run it's course. Their denials of the growing housing crisis were very concerning. I also had concerns with the mass immigration policy forever changing the face of our beautiful country at break neck speed. Putting $$ before people and then calling it a rock star economy was not the NZ I wanted to leave behind. I strongly disagree with you about Ardern being unqualified for the role of PM and referring to a role she once had in a takeaway as a young teenager in sleepy Morrinsville as evidence. There is clear misogyny in that perspective. What I saw with her was a hard working and extremely intelligent person. In 2017, National were sleepwalking to a third term. 9 weeks out from election day the inept Andrew Little finally fell on his leadership sword. This should have occurred 18 months earlier as the man is like bland wallpaper and never even for a moment resonated with the public. Even when John Key suddenly stepped down, Andrew Little actually dropped even further in the preferred PM poll. 

 

Ardern had zero hope of winning in 2017 going up against a well oiled National Party machine desperate to retain power. Had it not been for the dead cat on the table 11 billion dollar fiscal hole from Steven Joyce, Labour would likely have won in 2017 without the need or input of Winston Peters. Anyone capable of doing what Ardern did in that 9 weeks under the circumstances she faced, is well capable of being the NZ PM. When you put her up against Bill English for example, you saw a young modern leader who was an excellent communicator going up against a boring bean counter that was about as inspiring as flat warm beer. 

 

Labour and Ardern have got somethings right in their four and a half years but the list of failures grow every month. They have been extremely disappointing. Todd Muller was right when he said Ardern was surrounded by a bunch of empty chairs. Most of those empty chairs have ridden the coattails of Ardern. Having the absolutely useless Phil Twyford as the Housing Minister at any time would be diabolical but during a housing crisis is a different level of incompetence. To prove they had learned nothing from that disaster they replaced Twyford with the equally inept and morbidly obese Megan Woods. Labour have no clue how to deal with the housing crisis. Getting Judith Collins and National onboard in 2021 proved yet again just how far out of their depth Labour is. Ardern was upbeat about Kiwibuild. Then when that was an epic fail, she was upbeat about the "reset". That has also been a costly fail but she remains upbeat despite what we can all see. Being "upbeat" is helpful for a sales manager to their sales staff but kiwi's have had enough of the sales pitch that is producing SFA. No doubt the captain of the Titanic was upbeat when he headed off into the Atlantic in April 2012. Where is the Titanic now and how helpful was Captain Smith being upbeat? The latest epic fail was the Government response to Supermarkets rorting Kiwi's for decades. What is clear is that the Government has no real clue how to deal with it so they abdicate responsibility and farcically put it back onto the very people ripping you off. 

 

I like many have become increasingly disillusioned with Ardern and her Government. I don't know what the answer is but I'm 100% certain I know what the answer isn't. The National Party.

 

When Covid arrived in NZ in early 2020, I hoped the response would be led by epidemiologists, virologists and respected medical professionals etc. I hoped there would be a campaign showing kiwi's exactly what was coming and how and why we would manage the risks. Instead, it was led by a politician in Ardern and her tag team partner Ashley Bloomfield who only ever rubber stamped the input of the other. Education was replaced with relentless instruction. The approach of Ardern was arrogant. She obviously felt her popularity at the time would be enough to get the job done but she didn't put enough weight on several other very important factors. 1) Many people don't trust politicians but trust of the Covid messenger is very important. 2) Many people didn't vote for Labour so are less likely to respect their big calls. 3) Many adults strongly resent being told what to do. 4) Many males dislike female leaders so are less likely to respect their big calls. 5) Up to 40% of Americans (140 million + people) are seen as Anti-Vax so that aspect was always going to raise it's head here.

 

Despite the above, I believe Ardern has done a very good job of getting NZ through this pandemic with the minimum loss of life compared to similar sized countries elsewhere but it wasn't rocket science. NZ was gifted the benefit of time. We could see early on what was happening elsewhere and how best to mitigate risk. Lockdown was the appropriate response but for that to achieve the best outcome we needed to act promptly. Ardern did this despite widespread ridicule. This was our victory against Covid but it came with a hefty price tag in more than just fiscal terms. There were however numerous failings along the way and misrepresentations from both Ardern and Bloomfield. At one point Bloomfield had clearly been encouraged from high up to accept a Covid Positive UN worker from Fiji. Not only did Bloomfield overturn his original decision not to accept the person but he also claimed he'd forgotten about the unprecedented text messages he'd received. Let's just say he was creative with the truth. When trust is hugely important, the conduct of Bloomfield was an enormous and damaging fail. That joins the list of other failings from the tag team partners. My wife is a senior health professional in Auckland as is my brother and numerous other extended family members. I can say with certainty that without exemption, everyone connected with our health system I have spoken to don't agree with many statements sold to the public as factual by the tag team partners. 

 

The painfully slow vaccine rollout in the second quarter of 2021 was a debacle. We could see what was happening elsewhere but NZ plodded along like we had years to get vaccinated. I knew of hundreds of nurses that have direct contact with patients yet were unvaccinated but remarkably the big wigs and their offsiders that had zero contact with the public were vaccinated. I knew of many 80+ year old's with other health complications but weren't able to get vaccinated until the second half of 2021 despite them being in the high risk category. In July 2021 we learned there was a positive case among frontline port workers in Tauranga. Shortly after it was confirmed 90% of these workers were unvaccinated. The most remarkable aspect of this was the Government and Ministry of Health were oblivious to this potential carnage. Not long after that the extended Auckland lockdown (Home Detention) got under way. This was entirely avoidable. I believe the Government and especially the tag team partners spent a lot of their own currency at that time. Their next fail was not to educate NZ about the vaccine and address every concern being expressed about the vaccine, especially online. Instead, Ardern chose to just instruct people relentlessly to get vaccinated, get vaccinated, get vaccinated. When an anti-vaxxer arrived on scene, she would dismiss them as being a very small minority that were not "us'. How did that work out? 

 

The best way to counter misinformation from dubious sources is to present facts from reliable sources. The Government didn't get that memo. If they did, they arrogantly ignored it.

 

I describe the anti-vax brigade as belligerent expert-novices. We are in a pandemic. Today the reported death toll from Covid is said to be 6.3 million people but many experts believe the true number of deaths now exceed 25 million. Anyone who denies the exitance of and the risks of Covid is displaying a very high level of ignorance. 

 

At this time and over the last 15 months, there is no doubt whatsoever the best tool in the Covid toolbox has been the vaccine. Yet again, a high level of ignorance and dangerous misinformation exists. The vaccine is not poison. Some of the best scientific minds on the planet urgently worked together on the vaccine construction and it has clearly saved tens of millions of lives. Those that deny that reality are the equivalent to life long members of the flat earth society. Yes, the virus evolves so the vaccine must also evolve. What has high efficacy against one variant may offer far less protection against the next variant. Should we not bother creating vaccines for that reason? Every year we have a flu vaccine. These are created on predictions. Put simply, what flu variant we had last year and what variant the experts predict we will have this year will result in what vaccine will be created.

 

I found the irony of the Wellington protestors perplexing. Some were very angry about the vaccine which many described as poison they refuse to have in their body.  At the exact same moment they were spouting that BS, many were holding a cigarette. I'm compelled to ask, what medical and or scientific background to these people have to reach their conclusions and be so adamant they couldn't possibly be wrong?

 

I should also ask about the very harsh medications I.C.U staff will inject into the body of seriously unwell Covid patients to keep them alive. Do they know what these substances are and how they work? Do they trust them? Will they refuse them? What alternative treatment do they recommend? 

 

During the Tamaki protests, I noticed placards that stated "GOD WILL SAVE THEM", Really? Why them and not all the others? Another placard stated "VITAMIN C WILL SAVE THEM"....clearly they had no understanding of even basic biology. Vitamin C is water soluble. It's excreted via urine. The human body is simply unable to store enough Vitamin C to make a meaningful difference in the Covid battle. Yes, both Vitamin C and D are helpful but are the equivalent of taking a feather duster to a gun fight. 

 

My wife was heavily involved in the HPV and Meningitis vaccination campaigns. She and all her colleagues were confronted by the anti-vax brigade and their tactics almost every day. Here's a typical scenario. A person has an undiagnosed serious health condition. They get vaccinated. Several months later the person learns of their condition and later succumbs to it. This is categorized as "potentially vaccine related". The anti-vax brigade leave out all the critically important background health details and say the following. "Person get's vaccinated, then that person dies as a result of the vaccine".

 

Yes, there are risks with vaccines but there are risks with everything. Last year many hundreds of people died after taking paracetamol. We must weigh up the risks which are a no brainer for me. The risk of having the vaccine is significantly less than the risk of not having it. As a punter we must do the math if we want to make a quid. Anyone with any real understanding of mitigating risk and basic math, has had the vaccine. 

 

Walt, that is the longest posting ever I would say.

Well done for putting your point of view forward.

Firstly, what I ask you is have you read or watched the info that Pfizer was forced to release last week?

If you have not then most of your post is not credible!

The Pfizer injection is not a vaccine, even though this is how they sold it to everyone.

I am not anti-vax, I am anti having toxins injected into me that are NOT SAFE and Pfizer know this, that is why they did not want to release the info for 75 years!

People who have been conned into taking the shite have blinkers on and just do not want to believe that they have the crap inside them!

As I say Walt, if you have not read the Pfizer first release or watched the videos then you have no idea of what you are talking about, with respect.

Personally know many people who have been badly effected by the jab, stroke, paralysis, strokes, heart issues, heart attacks, death from heart.

Pfizer released a document with 9 pages of side effects from the toxic jabs but we do not get that at all on our mainstream media!

Bill Gates has even now stated that the Pfizer jabs only give very minimal protection.

Any we will agree to disagree and unfortunately the consequences in the coming months are going to be severe for many, and it is not from the Covid!

I will take my chances and to take advice from a Communist Leader is actually repugnant to me!

Walt please advise us all what success you actually think she has achieved and do not give me the Mosque Shooting as I do not see any success in that!!

We have been misled by the Prime Minister, The Media and the Medical Practitioners!

The truth will come out!!!!

Edited March 12, 2022 by Brodie

[Chief Stipe]

Which one is @aquaman and which one is @Brodie?

 

[Brodie]

Just now, Chief Stipe said:

Which one is @aquaman and which one is @Brodie?

 

 I was somewhere up the front today Chief.

The Stuff reporter commented that we blocked at least 2 entrances!!!!
Lying Media as per usual, there were no entrances to Riccarton Mall blocked at all!

Ardern your reign is coming to an end,  so start telling your muppets to stop telling untruths, but you won’t!!! 

 

 

 

[Chief Stipe]

9 minutes ago, Brodie said:

I was somewhere up the front today Chief.

What colour patch do you wear?

[Brodie]

12 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

What colour patch do you wear?

Patched jeans Chief!

I was yelling “No more Punting restrictions”

”Freedom for Punters”

“AML Mandates must Go”

No more Communist Control”

Then I woke up!

Never thought I would ever need to march for FREEDOM in NZ ever, but when the citizens of NZ voted in a Communist Leader and then wanted to follow her, GO FIGURE!

She has to go and it is going to happen as the sheep slowing wake up to what Brodie said over 4 years ago.

[Rangatira]

2 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Which one is @aquaman and which one is @Brodie?

 

Is Brodie on the left in the wife beater?

Edited March 12, 2022 by Rangatira

[Rangatira]

2 hours ago, Brodie said:

Patched jeans Chief!

 

[Brodie]

14 minutes ago, Rangatira said:

Is Brodie on the left in the wife beater?

I know what a wife beater is!

That is not me, I am submissive

[Ludwig]

The big question which has not yet been addressed___in what way is the virus and the vaccine responsible for the early appearance of my spring freesias ?. I sense there is a conspiracy.

[mikeynz]

4 hours ago, Brodie said:

Patched jeans Chief!

I was yelling “No more Punting restrictions”

”Freedom for Punters”

“AML Mandates must Go”

No more Communist Control”

Then I woke up!

Never thought I would ever need to march for FREEDOM in NZ ever, but when the citizens of NZ voted in a Communist Leader and then wanted to follow her, GO FIGURE!

She has to go and it is going to happen as the sheep slowing wake up to what Brodie said over 4 years ago.

 

4 hours ago, Brodie said:

Patched jeans Chief!

I was yelling “No more Punting restrictions”

”Freedom for Punters”

“AML Mandates must Go”

No more Communist Control”

Then I woke up!

Never thought I would ever need to march for FREEDOM in NZ ever, but when the citizens of NZ voted in a Communist Leader and then wanted to follow her, GO FIGURE!

She has to go and it is going to happen as the sheep slowing wake up to what Brodie said over 4 years ago.

We actually didn't vote in a communist leader, just remember it was the manipulative racing minister that got her the job initially, and to be fair she did present herself well at the start of the pandemic but other than that their is very little substance to the PM and over time it starts to show, sometimes you need a leader with balls, English  was a steady ship, I suspect Luxon may be the same, time will tell.

[Brodie]

 

1 minute ago, mikeynz said:

 

We actually didn't vote in a communist leader, just remember it was the manipulative racing minister that got her the job initially, and to be fair she did present herself well at the start of the pandemic but other than that their is very little substance to the PM and over time it starts to show, sometimes you need a leader with balls, English  was a steady ship, I suspect Luxon may be the same, time will tell.

I still have trouble understanding how anyone could have voted for Labour 4 years ago when the Country was in such a sound position?

To vote them out is unbelievably hard to fathom when Labour didnt have  anyone that you would think would be good in Parliament,

To have a Leader that is an absolute lightweight, The finance Minister has an Arts Degree, the others had done nothing of any significance in their lives worth remembering!

Then to vote them back in when they had achieved no success in the 3 years is on the voters heads.

Watch as things get worse for most over the next 18 months or so on several counts unfortunately.

 

 

[Walt]

16 hours ago, Brodie said:

Walt, that is the longest posting ever I would say.

Well done for putting your point of view forward.

Firstly, what I ask you is have you read or watched the info that Pfizer was forced to release last week?

If you have not then most of your post is not credible!

The Pfizer injection is not a vaccine, even though this is how they sold it to everyone.

I am not anti-vax, I am anti having toxins injected into me that are NOT SAFE and Pfizer know this, that is why they did not want to release the info for 75 years!

People who have been conned into taking the shite have blinkers on and just do not want to believe that they have the crap inside them!

As I say Walt, if you have not read the Pfizer first release or watched the videos then you have no idea of what you are talking about, with respect.

Personally know many people who have been badly effected by the jab, stroke, paralysis, strokes, heart issues, heart attacks, death from heart.

Pfizer released a document with 9 pages of side effects from the toxic jabs but we do not get that at all on our mainstream media!

Bill Gates has even now stated that the Pfizer jabs only give very minimal protection.

Any we will agree to disagree and unfortunately the consequences in the coming months are going to be severe for many, and it is not from the Covid!

I will take my chances and to take advice from a Communist Leader is actually repugnant to me!

Walt please advise us all what success you actually think she has achieved and do not give me the Mosque Shooting as I do not see any success in that!!

We have been misled by the Prime Minister, The Media and the Medical Practitioners!

The truth will come out!!!!

Brodie,

I'm not a supporter of Pfizer. Never will be. I trust them in equal amounts to a $2 Shop Gold Rolex Watch. There is a TV Network in the States that has their News sponsored by Pfizer....their Sports News is sponsored by Pfizer, their weather is bought to you by Pfizer etc etc. They see no conflict of interest. A complete shock of course that TV Network is never critical of Pfizer.

That aside, I do trust vaccines and the need for them. I respect you don't for your own reasons but you should put you contempt for Ardern and Pfizer to one side when understanding the need for a vaccine and it's efficacy. There are many thousands of pieces online stating alleged facts about the vaccine and sadly, many readers are unwilling to delve into the motivation involved of the writer. I'm a strong believer in Science. I don't believe in God. 

Brian Tamaki is anti vaccine, anti vaccine mandates, anti lockdowns.......but context is important. He and his believers adamantly believe the Kaikoura Earthquakes were caused by God expressing his anger at Homosexuality. Any person who believes that complete BS and expresses it to media outlets should never be taken seriously by anyone ever again. .... yet his followers are certain he couldn't possibly be wrong with his stance.

Many in the anti-vax brigade recognize that owning being anti-vax is akin to admitting they are a life member of the flat earth society so they either say they are not anti-vax or they are anti-mandate. They are one and the same. Many Wellington protestors claimed they were not anti-vax but had lost their job due to the vaccine mandate. Hello!

I'm no supporter of Ardern but have you noticed that almost every person that expresses disapproval of being vaccinated invariably also expresses contempt for her?

Many are seeing the current polling as conclusive evidence Ardern is gone in 2023. I hope they are right. Her and her colleagues are so far out of their depth it's comical.........but there are 18 months until the next election. Don't go the early crow.

Polling at this time means diddly. Never underestimate the power of self preservation. National are in campaign mode. They have nothing else on. Labour are to busy ruining the country to be in campaign mode. Look who the main opposition party is. Judith Collins still in play. Michael Woodhouse still in play as is Gerry Brownlee. You saw what happened to numerous other National MP's during the previous electoral cycle. Christopher Luxon is to be congratulated for his number one achievement so far in politics. He's managed to keep his true self hidden. He's a devout God Botherer. When it suits he totally plays it down. When it suits he milks it. He's anti abortion which means he's anti woman deciding what happens to their own body. How will that fly when it's under the spotlight in 2023 NZ? He's anti euthanasia. How will that fly in 2023 knowing the result of the 2020 referendum? etc etc. Many will recoil when the true Luxon is exposed. Remember, he will need a fair % of non National Party voters to get him over the line. It won't happen. National could put up a pork sausage as their leader at this time and it would poll well. Context. 

People have had a gutsful of Ardern's upbeat take on everything regardless of the true situation. .....but she doesn't have to fix anything between now and October next year. She just needs to make progress and have enough people think she's on the right track. She has a lot of dosh to call on to help with that goal. I'm 100% sure she will make some progress even if it's SFA. Add that to Covid likely to not be the same sort of issue next year it has been in recent times and you have an entirely different political landscape. Patience grasshopper. Patience.  

Edited March 12, 2022 by Walt

[Brodie]

58 minutes ago, Walt said:

Brodie,

I'm not a supporter of Pfizer. Never will be. I trust them in equal amounts to a $2 Shop Gold Rolex Watch. There is a TV Network in the States that has their News sponsored by Pfizer....their Sports News is sponsored by Pfizer, their weather is bought to you by Pfizer etc etc. They see no conflict of interest. A complete shock of course that TV Network is never critical of Pfizer.

That aside, I do trust vaccines and the need for them. I respect you don't for your own reasons but you should put you contempt for Ardern and Pfizer to one side when understanding the need for a vaccine and it's efficacy. There are many thousands of pieces online stating alleged facts about the vaccine and sadly, many readers are unwilling to delve into the motivation involved of the writer. I'm a strong believer in Science. I don't believe in God. 

Brian Tamaki is anti vaccine, anti vaccine mandates, anti lockdowns.......but context is important. He and his believers adamantly believe the Kaikoura Earthquakes were caused by God expressing his anger at Homosexuality. Any person who believes that complete BS and expresses it to media outlets should never be taken seriously by anyone ever again. .... yet his followers are certain he couldn't possibly be wrong with his stance.

Many in the anti-vax brigade recognize that owning being anti-vax is akin to admitting they are a life member of the flat earth society so they either say they are not anti-vax or they are anti-mandate. They are one and the same. Many Wellington protestors claimed they were not anti-vax but had lost their job due to the vaccine mandate. Hello!

I'm no supporter of Ardern but have you noticed that almost every person that expresses disapproval of being vaccinated invariably also expresses contempt for her?

Many are seeing the current polling as conclusive evidence Ardern is gone in 2023. I hope they are right. Her and her colleagues are so far out of their depth it's comical.........but there are 18 months until the next election. Don't go the early crow.

Polling at this time means diddly. Never underestimate the power of self preservation. National are in campaign mode. They have nothing else on. Labour are to busy ruining the country to be in campaign mode. Look who the main opposition party is. Judith Collins still in play. Michael Woodhouse still in play as is Gerry Brownlee. You saw what happened to numerous other National MP's during the previous electoral cycle. Christopher Luxon is to be congratulated for his number one achievement so far in politics. He's managed to keep his true self hidden. He's a devout God Botherer. When it suits he totally plays it down. When it suits he milks it. He's anti abortion which means he's anti woman deciding what happens to their own body. How will that fly when it's under the spotlight in 2023 NZ? He's anti euthanasia. How will that fly in 2023 knowing the result of the 2020 referendum? etc etc. Many will recoil when the true Luxon is exposed. Remember, he will need a fair % of non National Party voters to get him over the line. It won't happen. National could put up a pork sausage as their leader at this time and it would poll well. Context. 

People have had a gutsful of Ardern's upbeat take on everything regardless of the true situation. .....but she doesn't have to fix anything between now and October next year. She just needs to make progress and have enough people think she's on the right track. She has a lot of dosh to call on to help with that goal. I'm 100% sure she will make some progress even if it's SFA. Add that to Covid likely to not be the same sort of issue next year it has been in recent times and you have an entirely different political landscape. Patience grasshopper. Patience.  

Walt, well written once again!

Have you read as yet, the release from Pfizer last week?

Once you have, I doubt very much you will be calling the Pfizer a vaccine or regarding it as SAFE, as it is neither Walt!!

 

 

[aquaman]

1 hour ago, Walt said:

Brodie,

I'm not a supporter of Pfizer. Never will be. I trust them in equal amounts to a $2 Shop Gold Rolex Watch. There is a TV Network in the States that has their News sponsored by Pfizer....their Sports News is sponsored by Pfizer, their weather is bought to you by Pfizer etc etc. They see no conflict of interest. A complete shock of course that TV Network is never critical of Pfizer.

That aside, I do trust vaccines and the need for them. I respect you don't for your own reasons but you should put you contempt for Ardern and Pfizer to one side when understanding the need for a vaccine and it's efficacy. There are many thousands of pieces online stating alleged facts about the vaccine and sadly, many readers are unwilling to delve into the motivation involved of the writer. I'm a strong believer in Science. I don't believe in God. 

Brian Tamaki is anti vaccine, anti vaccine mandates, anti lockdowns.......but context is important. He and his believers adamantly believe the Kaikoura Earthquakes were caused by God expressing his anger at Homosexuality. Any person who believes that complete BS and expresses it to media outlets should never be taken seriously by anyone ever again. .... yet his followers are certain he couldn't possibly be wrong with his stance.

Many in the anti-vax brigade recognize that owning being anti-vax is akin to admitting they are a life member of the flat earth society so they either say they are not anti-vax or they are anti-mandate. They are one and the same. Many Wellington protestors claimed they were not anti-vax but had lost their job due to the vaccine mandate. Hello!

I'm no supporter of Ardern but have you noticed that almost every person that expresses disapproval of being vaccinated invariably also expresses contempt for her?

Many are seeing the current polling as conclusive evidence Ardern is gone in 2023. I hope they are right. Her and her colleagues are so far out of their depth it's comical.........but there are 18 months until the next election. Don't go the early crow.

Polling at this time means diddly. Never underestimate the power of self preservation. National are in campaign mode. They have nothing else on. Labour are to busy ruining the country to be in campaign mode. Look who the main opposition party is. Judith Collins still in play. Michael Woodhouse still in play as is Gerry Brownlee. You saw what happened to numerous other National MP's during the previous electoral cycle. Christopher Luxon is to be congratulated for his number one achievement so far in politics. He's managed to keep his true self hidden. He's a devout God Botherer. When it suits he totally plays it down. When it suits he milks it. He's anti abortion which means he's anti woman deciding what happens to their own body. How will that fly when it's under the spotlight in 2023 NZ? He's anti euthanasia. How will that fly in 2023 knowing the result of the 2020 referendum? etc etc. Many will recoil when the true Luxon is exposed. Remember, he will need a fair % of non National Party voters to get him over the line. It won't happen. National could put up a pork sausage as their leader at this time and it would poll well. Context. 

People have had a gutsful of Ardern's upbeat take on everything regardless of the true situation. .....but she doesn't have to fix anything between now and October next year. She just needs to make progress and have enough people think she's on the right track. She has a lot of dosh to call on to help with that goal. I'm 100% sure she will make some progress even if it's SFA. Add that to Covid likely to not be the same sort of issue next year it has been in recent times and you have an entirely different political landscape. Patience grasshopper. Patience.  

You have my sympathy Wait. Anybody that allows total strangers to inject them with an unproven genetic body changing potion, that the science via Anthony Fauci preaches needs help and understanding. Suggest you dive deeper in your research on mRNA tech and come to understand that once in you there is no going back.

[aquaman]

17 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

Which one is @aquaman and which one is @Brodie?

 

I was there. I was at the front with the red hat that had Trump written on it.

Today Hagley Park Moorhouse Ave with signs 12noon to 1pm. If passing toots are appreciated.

[Walt]

Brodie and John,

 

You're both smart enough to know the clear difference between an "adverse event after taking a vaccine" and a "side effect of the vaccine". It's really important to give the full story rather than just cherry pick the parts that suit your argument.

 

"it is important first to understand the difference between an “adverse event” and a “side effect”. The term “adverse event” describes any health problem that occurs after vaccination, regardless of whether the vaccine caused it. For example, a toothache in someone who received a vaccine would be considered an adverse event. However, a toothache can’t be attributed to vaccination. In contrast, the term “side effect” refers only to adverse events causally linked to the vaccine, such as an allergic reaction to a vaccine ingredient"

 

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/pfizers-confidential-document-shows-adverse-events-reported-following-vaccination-it-doesnt-demonstrate-vaccine-caused-events-or-is-unsafe/?fbclid=IwAR0xLuBXBXM9W3rMyjhoHNdrpqXjGH7tDYV7yRS7wUJgmbEgaKsVRQbrZNU

 

[Shad]

When are we going to get the real numbers on the reported covid deaths, as so many seem to be reported with rather than of, but nevertheless we never hear the truth, as usual, or even how many people have recovered, maybe they just don't want us to know.

[Forbury]

On 3/11/2022 at 5:00 PM, Rangatira said:

7.4

That will do it.

Nice strong drink that one

[Forbury]

Here in Australia it is going off as all the poisoned think they are safe now so no masks no social distancing no capacity limits.ive travelled four states in the last month and everyone thinks lifes back to normal.its spreading worse than ever.i have not caught it as I have not poisoned myself and I mask up anywhere indoors.i have heard so many complain about vertigo from the poison.now all these people are having heart attacks all of a sudden.rip warnie

[aquaman]

18 hours ago, Forbury said:

Here in Australia it is going off as all the poisoned think they are safe now so no masks no social distancing no capacity limits.ive travelled four states in the last month and everyone thinks lifes back to normal.its spreading worse than ever.i have not caught it as I have not poisoned myself and I mask up anywhere indoors.i have heard so many complain about vertigo from the poison.now all these people are having heart attacks all of a sudden.rip warnie

I reckon Forbury you are better off catching it, and thereby acquiring natural immunity which has been shown to be 27 times more robust than the poison. I am not making this stat up, studies from Israel and other reliable countries have come up with this figure. Plus your immunity lasts for at least several years, could be for life, yet to be known. Speaking for myself, unpoisoned, I am actively seeking Covid as quickly as possible to have it before winter sets in. To this end I go maskless everywhere. Have even applied for and received a mask exemption. This latest version of covid is very mild to healthy people young and old, absolutely nothing to fear.

[Shad]

22 hours ago, Forbury said:

Here in Australia it is going off as all the poisoned think they are safe now so no masks no social distancing no capacity limits.ive travelled four states in the last month and everyone thinks lifes back to normal.its spreading worse than ever.i have not caught it as I have not poisoned myself and I mask up anywhere indoors.i have heard so many complain about vertigo from the poison.now all these people are having heart attacks all of a sudden.rip warnie

Fair call, be a lot of deaths we will never know the numbers and that just from the jab, read a article said of the 150 odd deaths in nz  half were unvaccinated, rest made up of fully vaccinated boosterd and unknown, and of the 150 deaths, 40 odd were attributed to died from the virus, why now are the more accurate numbers are being reported, why not from day one, scaremongering I'd say