Sale of Levin track

[Special Agent]

Where in the country are you based Joe?

[Chief Stipe]

8 hours ago, Reefton said:

Don't you?  Look at the way they treated Westland who sidestepped their plans.  A club flush with cash(well they were) all revved up with no place to go.  Reduced to disposing of what the have left by sponsoring the other Clubs becuase they are not allowed a meeting of their own (even if not on their own course). And a committee now of two

As I said the asset grabbing legislation has yet to be used.

[Joe Bloggs]

42 minutes ago, Special Agent said:

Where in the country are you based Joe?

I'm based on the Gold Coast Special Agent Maxwell Smart, with 200,000 other expat disenchanted Kiwi's, Sun Surf and Sex, I'm guessing another 200, 000 will be here shortly, sadly the Missus [an Aussie] has given our last two remaining race neddies to a very good CD trainer to condition them, ascertain their future and in all probability fly them out of there ASAP....any sign at all they can pick their feet up, gonski's...... and not to Asia either, even 1000km from Brizvegas on red dirt arenas they race for more moula than NZ, except for the jolly rogers up north, with Ronny from Remuera and Poppy from Ponsonby looking forward to bubbles and canapés at Royal Ellerslie shortly, fields made up from the gaited and feted Wankato trainers salivating at racing on a state of the art surface with their Asia rejects [failed the vet] and quadruped wannabes looking to reward their patient [sucker] owners three sheets to the wind up in the members cheering themselves horse [not hoarse] while retired trading room types admire their taught, lithe derriere's [boys and girls] before retiring to the committee room for a debrief........a ramble, yeah, you bet, been up all night watching the green and gold collect a swathe of gold medals.......too tired to have a punt......FFS.....

[nomates]

4 hours ago, Special Agent said:

  However, I think RACE aside, licence holders and owners who have horses trained at CD tracks are manning up.  No longer are they going to be pushed by bureaucrats into losing livelihoods, income and pleasure. 

SA could you let us know who's manning up and what they are doing to stop being pushed around any longer ? because i have neither heard nor read of any person or persons taking measures to rectify anything that has been done to racing in the CD or prevent any more damage being done .

I hope what you say above is correct , but far too much damage has been done to ever recover into anything resembling the industry that used to exist in the district .

[Special Agent]

Knew you couldn't have been based in Levin, as you have no idea of the situation.  The only ones in La La Land are the LRC President and VP.  The changing of the guard is nigh.  Things are very positive without their input.

[Special Agent]

Nomates, what is your involvement in the industry?  If you are close to the action you will be well aware of what is on the cards.  There are exciting times ahead.  Can't wait!!

[nomates]

1 hour ago, Special Agent said:

Nomates, what is your involvement in the industry?  If you are close to the action you will be well aware of what is on the cards.  There are exciting times ahead.  Can't wait!!

What's your involvement ? 

I'm not as close as i used to be so no i'm not aware of what is happening , i started the thread by saying what i had been told , so fill us in , excite us with what's going to happen .

As for having a dig Joe , he's forgotten more than you know about racing and horses .

[Special Agent]

I doubt that.

If you've walked away that explains your lack of commitment.  You might be better going to RACE for your thrills.

[Chief Stipe]

Welcome to BOAY @Special Agent

I understand you are indeed well connected in CD racing.  I sincerely hope that what you and others are trying to achieve comes to fruition.  Sadly it may well be the last throw of the dice for the CD.

[Huey]

1 hour ago, Special Agent said:

I doubt that.

If you've walked away that explains your lack of commitment.  You might be better going to RACE for your thrills.

Haha thanks for the laughs SA, we need them !

[nomates]

2 hours ago, Special Agent said:

I doubt that.

If you've walked away that explains your lack of commitment.  You might be better going to RACE for your thrills.

Don't doubt SA , fact . 

And never assume , never said i had walked away just not as involved on a day to day basis , partly for health reasons , still race horses . Now that is more than you've offered up . So as i asked share your involvement in racing and what the exciting news is , this is a discussion forum and this thread is about the Levin track and all you've done so far is try to sound like you are in the know .

You are beginning to look like a kid that has found their parents password to their laptop . Stay off the porn sites , you'll go blind doing it anymore than you already are .

[nomates]

2 hours ago, Special Agent said:

I doubt that.

If you've walked away that explains your lack of commitment.  You might be better going to RACE for your thrills.

Don't doubt it SA , fact . 

And never assume , never said i had walked away just not as involved on a day to day basis , partly for health reasons , still race horses . Now that is more than you've offered up . So as i asked share your involvement in racing and what the exciting news is , this is a discussion forum and this thread is about the Levin track and all you've done so far is try to sound like you are in the know .

You are beginning to look like a kid that has found their parents password to their laptop . Stay off the porn sites , you'll go blind doing it anymore than you already are .

[nomates]

That was worth posting twice .

[Reefton]

5 hours ago, Chief Stipe said:

As I said the asset grabbing legislation has yet to be used.

Listen Idiot

Saying that is like saying the drink driving legislation has never been used on me.  No it has never been enforced because I have(certainly in the last thirty years anyway - I was fairly naughty before that) worked within the law.  It doesn't mean the law has not been applied.

So is the Dargaville Racing Club going to push NZTR that hard that they(NZTR) decide to go to the Minister to enforce the legislation?  No they didn't but that doesn't mean they(DRC) were not aware of the new Racing Act rules.  They knew they existed and that they had to work within them.   And of course Dargaville would be aware that dumb Ministers(especially in this government) can't think for themselves and that they just take their official's advice and do as they are told.  

 

[Chief Stipe]

14 hours ago, Reefton said:

Listen Idiot

Saying that is like saying the drink driving legislation has never been used on me.  No it has never been enforced because I have(certainly in the last thirty years anyway - I was fairly naughty before that) worked within the law.  It doesn't mean the law has not been applied.

So is the Dargaville Racing Club going to push NZTR that hard that they(NZTR) decide to go to the Minister to enforce the legislation?  No they didn't but that doesn't mean they(DRC) were not aware of the new Racing Act rules.  They knew they existed and that they had to work within them.   And of course Dargaville would be aware that dumb Ministers(especially in this government) can't think for themselves and that they just take their official's advice and do as they are told.  

 

What the hell are you on about?  Always a sign that your argument struggles when you open your post with an insult.

We all agree that there is so much wrong with the legislation.  The fact is the land grab clauses have't been enforced or tested in court.  In my opinion it is legally flawed and could be tested.

You've said yourself that the assets acquired by Clubs weren't assets paid for by the industry.  There in itself is an argument to be tested in court.  If the legislation was so sound why didn't NZTR test it against the Westland Racing Club?

Your drink driving analogy makes no sense at all as it has been well tested in Court and aspects still are.

I guess you are happy to see Clubs just roll over just because there is a big stick that might be wielded.  A stick that for all intents and purposes may only be a rotten twig.

[Chief Stipe]

14 hours ago, nomates said:

Don't doubt it SA , fact . 

And never assume , never said i had walked away just not as involved on a day to day basis , partly for health reasons , still race horses . Now that is more than you've offered up . So as i asked share your involvement in racing and what the exciting news is , this is a discussion forum and this thread is about the Levin track and all you've done so far is try to sound like you are in the know .

You are beginning to look like a kid that has found their parents password to their laptop . Stay off the porn sites , you'll go blind doing it anymore than you already are .

Ease up on the personal attacks.  Only serves to diminish your own opinions.

I assure you @Special Agent agent has significant skin in the game now and in the past.  Not only that they are actively involved in trying to turn things around.  

As for who they are they are entitled to anonymity just as you are.

[Reefton]

16 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

What the hell are you on about?  Always a sign that your argument struggles when you open your post with an insult.

We all agree that there is so much wrong with the legislation.  The fact is the land grab clauses have't been enforced or tested in court.  In my opinion it is legally flawed and could be tested.

You've said yourself that the assets acquired by Clubs weren't assets paid for by the industry.  There in itself is an argument to be tested in court.  If the legislation was so sound why didn't NZTR test it against the Westland Racing Club?

Your drink driving analogy makes no sense at all as it has been well tested in Court and aspects still are.

I guess you are happy to see Clubs just roll over just because there is a big stick that might be wielded.  A stick that for all intents and purposes may only be a rotten twig.

Well for a start the Westland action was prior to the new Act and entirely in line with their constitution that assets be disbursed for the benefit of the District.  Bernard and his wanky mates were just pissed that Westland pulled such a simple stunt.  He isn't on his own there either - there is of course a prominent licence holder without too much good to say about them but the people of the Westland District built up and owned those assets not the NZ Racing industry(and the cash came from the sale of excess ground anyway not from racing)

I am not aware of any Clubs 'rolling over' - insofar as I know Dargaville didn't but when the writing is on the wall and you know the Act is like a big axe hanging over your head what option do you have?  They negotiated a deal to retain for the locals at least something(I have no idea of the exact details). 

Just because the Ministerial prerogative has not been enforced does not mean the Act has not been used.  As a know all like you will know there is a negotiation phase to go through and DIA requested submissions on how that is to be undertaken a few months back.  We submitted but chances are, like most of those things, we were wasting our time.  I submitted to the select committee myself but you could tell from the looks on their faces they had no idea what they were dealing with and even less interest but were just there to rubber stamp that idiot Winston's plans.  Bunch of imbecile politicians and at the end one of them quietly said 'thanks for the lecture'.  Effing arsehole.  Incidentally National claim credit for that negotiation requirement but I note they still voted in favour of the Act when it passed. The dates for next season is another  classic example - I set the entire programme out for them around our circuit including the affected Northern dates and what did the simpletons say 'oh we couldn't work out the schedule'.   Instead of being honest and saying 'we are shitty over the Westland thing so you will get what you are given'.

You really are out of your depth with the drink driving analogy aren't you?  One reason an individual refrains from drinking home pissed (hopefully there is a social conscience there as well) is the threat of being caught and prosecuted.  So whether there is an official implementation of the Act by a court appearance or not it has been enforced.  Dargaville clearly knew the ultimate threat and went down the negotiation road.

As for going to court to test the Act well the wording looks pretty clear to me.  I would suggest any club that tests the Act's wording will be pissing into the wind and blowing their money on lawyers.  It can be as legally flawed as it likes - it is the Act.

[Chief Stipe]

8 minutes ago, Reefton said:

Just because the Ministerial prerogative has not been enforced does not mean the Act has not been used.  As a know all like you will know there is a negotiation phase to go through and DIA requested submissions on how that is to be undertaken a few months back

So you agree the Act hasn't been tested.  If clubs had put self interest aside they could have and still could test the legislation.  BTW you are starting to sound more like you brother.

9 minutes ago, Reefton said:

You really are out of your depth with the drink driving analogy aren't you?  One reason an individual refrains from drinking home pissed (hopefully there is a social conscience there as well) is the threat of being caught and prosecuted.  So whether there is an official implementation of the Act by a court appearance or not it has been enforced.  Dargaville clearly knew the ultimate threat and went down the negotiation road.

No I'm not out of my depth with what is a very poor analogy.  Thousands of people have been prosecuted for drink driving over many decades.  The law has been tested and is continually challenged.  It has in the past been  flawed and refinements have had to be made.  

I would suggest that the haste with which the latest Racing Act was put together would be a sign that it had serious flaws.  The biggest being the granting of Ministerial dictate over essentially what is private lands.

[nomates]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

Ease up on the personal attacks.  Only serves to diminish your own opinions.

I assure you @Special Agent agent has significant skin in the game now and in the past.  Not only that they are actively involved in trying to turn things around.  

As for who they are they are entitled to anonymity just as you are.

Ok , i said i wouldn't get partake in conversation with you again but get one thing straight , SA started this shit with his besmirching both Joe and myself and our knowledge and contribution to the industry . He hasn't bothered fronting with his credentials to backup their statements , just came on blowing hard about what they know and we don't . If he only knew my history within the district he might show a little bit of respect . And if they have got skin in the game then let them back up their comments before belittling others involvement in racing both here and in Australia .  

So how about you say the say the same to them , or perhaps your mentality is tainted , in fact i'm sure it is . Don't get as one sided as your counterpart on channel X has become , it drags the site down . 

[Gammalite]

It's a bright and sunny morning in Queensland . 21 degrees. seems a bit more frosty in NZ on the threads. How about enjoy some of the Amazing NZ performances at Birmingham Commonwealth Games? . kiwis doing very well.

Where is my 'Fav of all time' Verry Elleegant these days.? are you sending another like her over soon?

[Joe Bloggs]

VE didn't please the trainer with her gallop leading into the Rothschild apparently, so the debut de France is on hold for a wee while.

[Gammalite]

2 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

VE didn't please the trainer with her gallop leading into the Rothschild apparently, so the debut de France is on hold for a wee while.

Thanks for that Joe. she's the kiwi Winx (only better IMO , powering to 2 mile glory) Hope she settles and gets to strut her stuff in France then. geEEez that is a long way to go...

Sounds very sad to me selling a centre like Levin. I spent a lot of time around stables at TAKANINI in my younger days and Jillings and Verner and Vance were winning all sort of things.

I came back a few years later for a trip and the whole Training facility was gone for houses😪. Now I hear they want to sell off bits of Ellerslie and possibly Alexandra Park even. When will this sad madness stop? when nothing is left.?

[KickintheKods]

"Chief, would you believe I'm going to single handedly resurrect CD racing????"

"You go hard Special Agent Max, but how about we lift the cone of silence to your real identity"

 

 

 

 

Edited July 30, 2022 by KickintheKods

[Freda]

11 minutes ago, Gammalite said:

Thanks for that Joe. she's the kiwi Winx (only better IMO , powering to 2 mile glory) Hope she settles and gets to strut her stuff in France then. geEEez that is a long way to go...

Sounds very sad to me selling a centre like Levin. I spent a lot of time around stables at TAKANINI in my younger days and Jillings and Verner and Vance were winning all sort of things.

I came back a few years later for a trip and the whole Training facility was gone for houses😪. Now I hear they want to sell off bits of Ellerslie and possibly Alexandra Park even. When will this sad madness stop? when nothing is left.?

Sadly, that seems to be about right.   Which is why tempers become a bit stretched and some posters become angry when they/we confront the demise of our once proud industry.

We are fortunate that the Chief hosts a site where we can have a vent, I for one appreciate it and pretty sure most others do too, however he is well able to dish out what he receives .!

As for S.A....he/she has to accept that there have been many pretenders to the salvation of NZ Racing..so he/she must realise that until evidence is forthcoming, scepticism will remain.   Beating the breast and taking pot-shots at passionate stakeholders isn't really the way forward.

 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

SA started this shit with his besmirching both Joe and myself and our knowledge and contribution to the industry

I think you may wish to reread some of the earlier posts.  It is clear who went to the low level first.

But all that bullshit to one side.  Why does @Special Agent have to declare their identity and you don't?

For example when was the last time Joe was on a Racing Club Committee?

If we accept that what @Special Agent says they are trying to do is true then shouldn't they be applauded rather than  denigrated?