Sale of Levin track

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

So how about you say the say the same to them , or perhaps your mentality is tainted , in fact i'm sure it is

Really?  If anything I'm extremely thick skinned given the insults thrown my way on a regular basis.  Try that anywhere else and you'd be banned.

[nomates]

14 minutes ago, Freda said:

We are fortunate that the Chief hosts a site where we can have a vent

Apparently not Freda going by my smack on the hand .

[nomates]

10 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

I think you may wish to reread some of the earlier posts.  It is clear who went to the low level first.

But all that bullshit to one side.  Why does @Special Agent have to declare their identity and you don't?

For example when was the last time Joe was on a Racing Club Committee?

If we accept that what @Special Agent says they are trying to do is true then shouldn't they be applauded rather than  denigrated?

 

Ok once more for the slow .

He started the shit by suggesting that Joe wasn't relevant because he didn't live in Levin and that because i wasn't as in the know as i had been that i had walked away and lacked commitment , so who started the low blows , not exactly the way to start a conversation . 

And i'm not asking SA to disclose who they are , i already know , i asked them that if they were going to knock our credentials then stump up to prove their if they want us to trust what they are saying and not make it to look like they are doing no more than blowing hard about their inside knowledge .

I started this thread out of my concern about Levin closing and that i supported it remaining integral to the CD racing scene . SA was the one that came on swinging low blows at posters because they're not in know .

Plus no one is denigrating them for what they are trying to do because we still don't know what they are doing and until such time as that knowledge is imparted and they stop knocking other posters i will continue to ask them for credibility .

So you get your facts straight before threatening me with expulsion , it's not that important in my life , there is other posters i like to discuss issues with , but you do what you feel you have to .

2 hours ago, nomates said:

So how about you say the say the same to them

Still waiting for this to happen , a new poster coming on here and acting like the new cock in the hen house , never a great way to make friends and influence people . Let see what you say to them , not much i would suspect . 

[KickintheKods]

"I'm detecting some tension in the joint this morning Ninety Nine"

 

[nomates]

5 minutes ago, KickintheKods said:

"I'm detecting some tension in the joint this morning Ninety Nine"

 

Beautiful KITK , great way to ease tensions .

[Gammalite]

31 minutes ago, KickintheKods said:

"I'm detecting some tension in the joint this morning Ninety Nine"

 

The 'Cone of Silence' might be needed by some for a moment ....... 

"Sorry about that Chief....." lol......

[Joe Bloggs]

41 minutes ago, KickintheKods said:

"I'm detecting some tension in the joint this morning Ninety Nine"

 

''Max, I thought you made sure Bernard was on the plane, belted down, securely fastened and the plane heading west......don't tell me they've refuelled with E10 by mistake and he's coming back''....please Max, NO, make it all go away.....

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

Apparently not Freda going by my smack on the hand .

Harden up.  We have a newbie turn up who has some positivity and the boot gets put in.  Perhaps they are  trying to save Levin rather than just talk about its demise.

[Joe Bloggs]

1 hour ago, Chief Stipe said:

I think you may wish to reread some of the earlier posts.  It is clear who went to the low level first.

But all that bullshit to one side.  Why does @Special Agent have to declare their identity and you don't?

For example when was the last time Joe was on a Racing Club Committee?

If we accept that what @Special Agent says they are trying to do is true then shouldn't they be applauded rather than  denigrated?

 

I've never been on a committee Chief, not of a Race Club anyway, over here a licensed trained wouldn't get on a committee, conflict of interest and all that, but as to Levin, well, at one stage a few years ago, 3-4 actually, I had 4 in work with one trainer, the Missus and I that is, so I reckon I got to hear and see a few machinations with that track.......with a tweak or three, it would get my vote to stay, even though our last two aren't at that track Levin has it's place big time, but money talks, and unless they branch stack to increase the voting membership it'll go the same way as many others....sadly.

[nomates]

21 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Harden up.  We have a newbie turn up who has some positivity and the boot gets put in.  Perhaps they are  trying to save Levin rather than just talk about its demise.

Still can't get on the right page . Only one of us has to harden up .

The facts : The newbie turned up blowing hard about saving Levin , that's not positivity , they gave no info to back up the comments , so that's just makes it big talk .

                : We didn't put the boot in , we defended ourselves to his belittling our input into the industry . If anybody was putting the boot in it was your newbie .

                : Perhaps they are trying to save Levin , we don't know that because they have given us no substance to back their claim . I've been there where they are , done exactly that , so if they are i know what they are attempting and i applaud them for it .

                : We weren't talking about it's demise , we were discussing the information that i had been given and the pros and cons of it and the wider implications , the nature of a forum .

                : Still waiting for your neutrality as moderator to kick and inform the newbie that they were out of order as well , coming onto the forum and taking pot shots at posters for no good reason other than their own big noting is not the way to begin , and perhaps give some substance to their claims that they are the savior of LRC .

                : As per usual your arguing the points that suit your narrative , nothing new there .

[Reefton]

9 hours ago, nomates said:

Still can't get on the right page . Only one of us has to harden up .

The facts : The newbie turned up blowing hard about saving Levin , that's not positivity , they gave no info to back up the comments , so that's just makes it big talk .

                : We didn't put the boot in , we defended ourselves to his belittling our input into the industry . If anybody was putting the boot in it was your newbie .

                : Perhaps they are trying to save Levin , we don't know that because they have given us no substance to back their claim . I've been there where they are , done exactly that , so if they are i know what they are attempting and i applaud them for it .

                : We weren't talking about it's demise , we were discussing the information that i had been given and the pros and cons of it and the wider implications , the nature of a forum .

                : Still waiting for your neutrality as moderator to kick and inform the newbie that they were out of order as well , coming onto the forum and taking pot shots at posters for no good reason other than their own big noting is not the way to begin , and perhaps give some substance to their claims that they are the savior of LRC .

                : As per usual your arguing the points that suit your narrative , nothing new there .

Anyway as far as  the exciting news SA apparently is aware of you can imagine the Petone response if Levin pulls out of this Race thing.   Pretty simple 'Right boys there's a $30m penny sitting on the pavement here.  We will refuse them any more racedays, declare their venue surplus to requirements and seize it under the Racing Act 2021'

They aren't exactly brimming with Clubs looking to throw a heap of cash the industry's way and these guys(even if it is only the President and his VP) ought to have looked before they lept.

The Race guys are going to be right in NZTR's ear if this big fish isn't landed and NZTR will, I would imagine, be keen as mustard to help their Race friends out of a financial hole.

If SA is right and it is only the top two they really ought to have convened the SGM and made sure the Club Members knew what they were planning before they talked turkey with Race.

 

[Huey]

10 hours ago, Reefton said:

Anyway as far as  the exciting news SA apparently is aware of you can imagine the Petone response if Levin pulls out of this Race thing.   Pretty simple 'Right boys there's a $30m penny sitting on the pavement here.  We will refuse them any more racedays, declare their venue surplus to requirements and seize it under the Racing Act 2021'

They aren't exactly brimming with Clubs looking to throw a heap of cash the industry's way and these guys(even if it is only the President and his VP) ought to have looked before they lept.

The Race guys are going to be right in NZTR's ear if this big fish isn't landed and NZTR will, I would imagine, be keen as mustard to help their Race friends out of a financial hole.

If SA is right and it is only the top two they really ought to have convened the SGM and made sure the Club Members knew what they were planning before they talked turkey with Race.

 

Yes this will be a bit of a test case for the industry and the Act, coinciding with all the tough talk from the CEO. 

As it stands we look to be heading into a future where we are largely dependent on venues with leased land , which is utter madness especially considering public opinions on the sport.

[nomates]

8 minutes ago, Huey said:

Yes this will be a bit of a test case for the industry and the Act, coinciding with all the tough talk from the CEO. 

As it stands we look to be heading into a future where we are largely dependent on venues with leased land , which is utter madness especially considering public opinions on the sport.

Well i see that New Plymouth has had their lease extended by 30 years and the ability to extend again after that period . But yes mad to hang your washing on such a flimsy line .

[Chief Stipe]

19 hours ago, nomates said:

The facts : The newbie turned up blowing hard about saving Levin , that's not positivity , they gave no info to back up the comments , so that's just makes it big talk

It's positive in my opinion.  Even a threat of action is more positive than just moaning about what's happening.

[nomates]

10 hours ago, Reefton said:

Anyway as far as  the exciting news SA apparently is aware of you can imagine the Petone response if Levin pulls out of this Race thing.   Pretty simple 'Right boys there's a $30m penny sitting on the pavement here.  We will refuse them any more racedays, declare their venue surplus to requirements and seize it under the Racing Act 2021'

They aren't exactly brimming with Clubs looking to throw a heap of cash the industry's way and these guys(even if it is only the President and his VP) ought to have looked before they lept.

The Race guys are going to be right in NZTR's ear if this big fish isn't landed and NZTR will, I would imagine, be keen as mustard to help their Race friends out of a financial hole.

If SA is right and it is only the top two they really ought to have convened the SGM and made sure the Club Members knew what they were planning before they talked turkey with Race.

 

My understanding is that they called a SGM earlier but that was canned and set for a later date , i assume it was too rushed and those against needed time to gather they're forces to fight it . I'm not completely sure of the actual facts of the situation , whether the LRC president and vp approached Race or Race made the initial contact is depending where you stand . 

I have been here , Race made this approach 20+ years ago , a SGM was called for what was termed a friendly discussion and fact giving meeting , was anything but , walking into the room the whole Race committee was sitting across the front of the room and Guy Sargent and another NZTR cronie were there also , quite intimidating when that was not what members were expecting . The initial talk and information period was friendly enough but when it Race couldn't make a commitment that the track wouldn't be sold and members started getting up and speaking and making it clear it wasn't a goer the room turned decidedly frosty and the friendly discussion turned quite hostile . Sargent making veiled threats about the future of the club if they didn't get on board . The then LRC president and the majority of the committee who were for it were not happy , but it forced members into action and at new elections a new committee were elected in .

The thing is in the intervening years LRC has given up 3/4 racedays , used to have 7 , gave up their G1 race to Race which now run it at Trentham , mostly because of threats by NZTR which IMO LRC should have fought harder , to the stage where the club is a shadow of it's old self , but not alone there , most of the smaller clubs in NZ are in the same position because they have been slowly strangled by they own parent body .

Levin is still in a comfortable financial position , sold land for a retirement village and get an annual annuity from that , built new tie ups over on the track side of the road along with new parking , that leaves a parcel of land where the old tie ups were that can also be sold to developers .

Levin has a place in the CD structure , A/W or not trainers want grass tracks to educate their horses on and the Levin track fills that . IMO it is short sighted of the industry to let it go , but when moola is involved , especially the amounts that i was told , then common sense and greed over rule all common sense .

We are all discussing this from the disadvantage of not enough information , perhaps if SA could have given us a little more light at to what is going on we would have a better understanding of the situation , you never know someone might have some knowledge to impart that could help their fight .

Where does this end , more than likely as you say , the parent body beating up the club and taking it . If this is the way of NZ racing it is a sad indictment on where NZ racing has found itself . very sad indeed .

[nomates]

23 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

It's positive in my opinion.  Even a threat of action is more positive than just moaning about what's happening.

I'm going to take over BOAY and kick you out , not giving any more info than that , now is that positive talk or just me blow harding .

[Joe Bloggs]

16 minutes ago, nomates said:

My understanding is that they called a SGM earlier but that was canned and set for a later date , i assume it was too rushed and those against needed time to gather they're forces to fight it . I'm not completely sure of the actual facts of the situation , whether the LRC president and vp approached Race or Race made the initial contact is depending where you stand . 

I have been here , Race made this approach 20+ years ago , a SGM was called for what was termed a friendly discussion and fact giving meeting , was anything but , walking into the room the whole Race committee was sitting across the front of the room and Guy Sargent and another NZTR cronie were there also , quite intimidating when that was not what members were expecting . The initial talk and information period was friendly enough but when it Race couldn't make a commitment that the track wouldn't be sold and members started getting up and speaking and making it clear it wasn't a goer the room turned decidedly frosty and the friendly discussion turned quite hostile . Sargent making veiled threats about the future of the club if they didn't get on board . The then LRC president and the majority of the committee who were for it were not happy , but it forced members into action and at new elections a new committee were elected in .

The thing is in the intervening years LRC has given up 3/4 racedays , used to have 7 , gave up their G1 race to Race which now run it at Trentham , mostly because of threats by NZTR which IMO LRC should have fought harder , to the stage where the club is a shadow of it's old self , but not alone there , most of the smaller clubs in NZ are in the same position because they have been slowly strangled by they own parent body .

Levin is still in a comfortable financial position , sold land for a retirement village and get an annual annuity from that , built new tie ups over on the track side of the road along with new parking , that leaves a parcel of land where the old tie ups were that can also be sold to developers .

Levin has a place in the CD structure , A/W or not trainers want grass tracks to educate their horses on and the Levin track fills that . IMO it is short sighted of the industry to let it go , but when moola is involved , especially the amounts that i was told , then common sense and greed over rule all common sense .

We are all discussing this from the disadvantage of not enough information , perhaps if SA could have given us a little more light at to what is going on we would have a better understanding of the situation , you never know someone might have some knowledge to impart that could help their fight .

Where does this end , more than likely as you say , the parent body beating up the club and taking it . If this is the way of NZ racing it is a sad indictment on where NZ racing has found itself . very sad indeed .

I was about to say, you should be on the committee, the P or VP, even, but then again, with the state of play at the mo why bother, what a shit fight, it reflects badly on all concerned, no wonder racing is where it is, how did it come to this, has the world changed so much? I'll remember Levin from it's halcyon days, huge crowds, wonderful horses and jocks/trainers and even better horses........

[Joe Bloggs]

15 minutes ago, nomates said:

I'm going to take over BOAY and kick you out , not giving any more info than that , now is that positive talk or just me blow harding .

You legend......do you need crowd funding? 

[nomates]

11 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

You legend......do you need crowd funding? 

No , it's already a bare bones operation so not going to take much to get it up to scratch .

[Reefton]

24 minutes ago, nomates said:

My understanding is that they called a SGM earlier but that was canned and set for a later date , i assume it was too rushed and those against needed time to gather they're forces to fight it . I'm not completely sure of the actual facts of the situation , whether the LRC president and vp approached Race or Race made the initial contact is depending where you stand . 

I have been here , Race made this approach 20+ years ago , a SGM was called for what was termed a friendly discussion and fact giving meeting , was anything but , walking into the room the whole Race committee was sitting across the front of the room and Guy Sargent and another NZTR cronie were there also , quite intimidating when that was not what members were expecting . The initial talk and information period was friendly enough but when it Race couldn't make a commitment that the track wouldn't be sold and members started getting up and speaking and making it clear it wasn't a goer the room turned decidedly frosty and the friendly discussion turned quite hostile . Sargent making veiled threats about the future of the club if they didn't get on board . The then LRC president and the majority of the committee who were for it were not happy , but it forced members into action and at new elections a new committee were elected in .

The thing is in the intervening years LRC has given up 3/4 racedays , used to have 7 , gave up their G1 race to Race which now run it at Trentham , mostly because of threats by NZTR which IMO LRC should have fought harder , to the stage where the club is a shadow of it's old self , but not alone there , most of the smaller clubs in NZ are in the same position because they have been slowly strangled by they own parent body .

Levin is still in a comfortable financial position , sold land for a retirement village and get an annual annuity from that , built new tie ups over on the track side of the road along with new parking , that leaves a parcel of land where the old tie ups were that can also be sold to developers .

Levin has a place in the CD structure , A/W or not trainers want grass tracks to educate their horses on and the Levin track fills that . IMO it is short sighted of the industry to let it go , but when moola is involved , especially the amounts that i was told , then common sense and greed over rule all common sense .

We are all discussing this from the disadvantage of not enough information , perhaps if SA could have given us a little more light at to what is going on we would have a better understanding of the situation , you never know someone might have some knowledge to impart that could help their fight .

Where does this end , more than likely as you say , the parent body beating up the club and taking it . If this is the way of NZ racing it is a sad indictment on where NZ racing has found itself . very sad indeed .

the difference is 20 years ago talk of seizing the assets was just talk.  Now they have the ability to do it and that is dangerous.

I hope SA is right and there is an exciting development for the Club but NZTR have that right to declare them surplus to requirements and start the process.  There are a lot of people naive about this threat.  The Harness people at Reefton just roll their eyes when I warn them clearly thinking (and they have said this) 'We have a great relationship with HRNZ and they wouldn't do that to us'.  Then there is the Rugby Club which put up a third of the cost of our Admin building but nobody thought to retain the agreement between the parties so there is no written evidence.  Before my time but the ex President said we gave the signed agreement to the bank because we(RJC) had to borrow for our share.  It was forty years ago so fat chance of the bank having the document now.  And then there are the townspeople some of whom on facebook reacted like it was me making this up and trying to grab their course.  Sometimes you wonder why you bother.  

 

[Joe Bloggs]

10 minutes ago, Reefton said:

the difference is 20 years ago talk of seizing the assets was just talk.  Now they have the ability to do it and that is dangerous.

I hope SA is right and there is an exciting development for the Club but NZTR have that right to declare them surplus to requirements and start the process.  There are a lot of people naive about this threat.  The Harness people at Reefton just roll their eyes when I warn them clearly thinking (and they have said this) 'We have a great relationship with HRNZ and they wouldn't do that to us'.  Then there is the Rugby Club which put up a third of the cost of our Admin building but nobody thought to retain the agreement between the parties so there is no written evidence.  Before my time but the ex President said we gave the signed agreement to the bank because we(RJC) had to borrow for our share.  It was forty years ago so fat chance of the bank having the document now.  And then there are the townspeople some of whom on facebook reacted like it was me making this up and trying to grab their course.  Sometimes you wonder why you bother.  

 

Can I politely ask? In the advent of a change of Government at your next election, would it not be prudent to canvass/lobby your shadow racing minister to 'change' re-write the constitution whereby the racing act with this ''land stealing'' could/would be reversed?

Surely the vast majority of racing industry participants would sign a petition and also vote to remove this ''legal'' and predatory piece of legislation?

If not I sadly declare, you got what you deserve and suck it up......cos this stinks to high heaven and the corpse is unrecognisable.

[Assange]

On 7/29/2022 at 12:50 PM, Chief Stipe said:

You'd be surprised @Reefton who reads this site.  Over its short life there have been some not insignificant issues resolved through engagement both on the public side and the private communication side.

 

Very popular in Petone I should imagine. 

[Chief Stipe]

1 hour ago, nomates said:

I'm going to take over BOAY and kick you out , not giving any more info than that , now is that positive talk or just me blow harding .

You're definitely blowing hard.  I don't see you being able to pass legislation to land grab BOAY.  Also knowing what I know about the identity of the Special Agent I can assure you they definitely are in a position to initiate some action.

But the point is why knock them down even if they are a "blow hard"?  Isn't their intention exactly what YOU want?

[KickintheKods]

It's the only channel they watch and, coincidentally, they start them very young. 

It takes a lot of learning to become an NZTR graduate, but they do tend to pick up how to suck the life out of the industry, quicker than most of it's actual hands on participants.

[Freda]

20 minutes ago, Joe Bloggs said:

Can I politely ask? In the advent of a change of Government at your next election, would it not be prudent to canvass/lobby your shadow racing minister to 'change' re-write the constitution whereby the racing act with this ''land stealing'' could/would be reversed?

Surely the vast majority of racing industry participants would sign a petition and also vote to remove this ''legal'' and predatory piece of legislation?

If not I sadly declare, you got what you deserve and suck it up......cos this stinks to high heaven and the corpse is unrecognisable.

The Nats offered very little resistance to the 'Act' - and they could have - so I doubt whether a change to the logical 'other side ' would achieve much.  Hope I'm wrong though.