Please!!...please!!...please!!

[mikeynz]

2 hours ago, aquaman said:

I do, and its now difficult with RT telly being removed by the wokes running Sky.

Are you a fan or just enjoy it ?

[the galah]

On 25/09/2022 at 9:18 AM, holy ravioli said:

Kiwis embrace Te Reo because Maori  heritage is what makes our country unique.

Differentiates it from all the other  former british colonies.

You say kiwis embrace Te Reo,i say the given the choice, the vast majority of kiwis do not willingly or enthusiastically embrace it.

And when you refer to maori heritage i say you actually have the reason why i say that is.Reality is the vast majority of new zealanders have no descendants or predecessors who were maori.That is the definition of heritage isn't it. 

Just look at the stats. In 2021 they say 16.5% of new zealanders identified as having maori ethnicity. Of course even i,with no maori heritage, could do that as for census purposes you don't have to have any maori heritage whatsoever. Just have to identify as being maori. Just as i could identify myself as being female when i'm not.15% of kiwis say they are asian,9% say they are polynesian and of course the other 70% say they have european descendants. 

Isn't auckland known as the polynesian capitol of the world.Do you really think they embrace te reo over their own languages?

Like i have said earlier,also look at who is driving the push for the maori language, then have a look at what other issues are of importance to those people. Interesting wagon to hitch yourself too.

No ones denying the significance or importance of te reo for to those who identify as maori,just be honest and recognise that te reo is not important to the vast majority.

That is why the only way for the labour government to make it so,is to indoctrinate future genreations by way of the education system. If it was as important to non maori as you make out,then they would not have had to do that would they.

Edited September 26, 2022 by the galah

[billy connolly]

Who was the best Maori jockey?

Those Maori boys could ride a bit.

C. Ormsby even won a NZ Rodeo Bull Riding title.

[Joe Bloggs]

By a country mile, one JF Harris, then Noel, then Des......Herbie R could ride a bit too, 

[billy connolly]

5 hours ago, Joe Bloggs said:

Herbie R could ride a bit too.

Always rated Herb Rauhihi, used to sit and wait for inside runs.

Patience personified.

[holy ravioli]

18 hours ago, the galah said:

You say kiwis embrace Te Reo,i say the given the choice, the vast majority of kiwis do not willingly or enthusiastically embrace it.

And when you refer to maori heritage i say you actually have the reason why i say that is.Reality is the vast majority of new zealanders have no descendants or predecessors who were maori.That is the definition of heritage isn't it. 

Just look at the stats. In 2021 they say 16.5% of new zealanders identified as having maori ethnicity. Of course even i,with no maori heritage, could do that as for census purposes you don't have to have any maori heritage whatsoever. Just have to identify as being maori. Just as i could identify myself as being female when i'm not.15% of kiwis say they are asian,9% say they are polynesian and of course the other 70% say they have european descendants. 

Isn't auckland known as the polynesian capitol of the world.Do you really think they embrace te reo over their own languages?

Like i have said earlier,also look at who is driving the push for the maori language, then have a look at what other issues are of importance to those people. Interesting wagon to hitch yourself too.

No ones denying the significance or importance of te reo for to those who identify as maori,just be honest and recognise that te reo is not important to the vast majority.

That is why the only way for the labour government to make it so,is to indoctrinate future genreations by way of the education system. If it was as important to non maori as you make out,then they would not have had to do that would they.

Embrace /accept/....semantics...'That is the definition of heritage isn't it. '

I said Maori heritage.....Maori heritage is ever present and everywhere in this country.As I said it makes NZ unique...something to cherish.People are using Maori language more and more.

Changing names like Mt Egmont to Mt Taranaki,Mt Cook to Aoraki...and so on reinforce our unique identity.These are good things.

[Chief Stipe]

6 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Changing names like Mt Egmont to Mt Taranaki,Mt Cook to Aoraki...and so on reinforce our unique identity.These are good things.

Why is Taranaki any better than Egmont?  

As far as I know there is only one volcano named Mount Egmont in the world.  That's fairly unique.

[the galah]

25 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Embrace /accept/....semantics...'That is the definition of heritage isn't it. '

I said Maori heritage.....Maori heritage is ever present and everywhere in this country.As I said it makes NZ unique...something to cherish.People are using Maori language more and more.

Changing names like Mt Egmont to Mt Taranaki,Mt Cook to Aoraki...and so on reinforce our unique identity.These are good things.

I was just pointing out that if you go by the normal definition of heritage,maori heritage doesn't apply to most new zealanders.And no i don't think changing names means much. I still call mt cook,mt cook. Everyone i know still does.

I'm no expert on maori language,but i have watched a few documentaries on it,and isn't there different dialects of te reo maori based around what tribe and what region they come from.

I realise that going to just the one maori language means anyone new speaking it could understand it,but there are many maori saying that they are still losing their heritage and identity by doing that,and  having just the one maori language interpretation is another example of pakeha imposing their way of doing things? So isn't that rather patronising.

The answer i would have thought would be to give maori enough resources to educate their people,and anyone else who chooses to learn it instead of mandating it for everyone in schools,businesses,government departments,etc.So much about mandating the language is just fake to me.

Edited September 26, 2022 by the galah

[holy ravioli]

26 minutes ago, Chief Stipe said:

Why is Taranaki any better than Egmont?  

As far as I know there is only one volcano named Mount Egmont in the world.  That's fairly unique.

Capt Cook-' the name ‘Mount Egmont’ to honour the Earl of Egmont, John Perceval, previously first Lord of the Admiralty. While he had supported earlier voyages of exploration, Perceval had retired by the time of Cook’s first voyage and had no direct connection with it. He died before learning of the honour.'

That's why a colonial peer with NO direct connection to this country.

[Chief Stipe]

13 minutes ago, holy ravioli said:

Capt Cook-' the name ‘Mount Egmont’ to honour the Earl of Egmont, John Perceval, previously first Lord of the Admiralty. While he had supported earlier voyages of exploration, Perceval had retired by the time of Cook’s first voyage and had no direct connection with it. He died before learning of the honour.'

That's why a colonial peer with NO direct connection to this country.

But he did have a connection through Cook.  One of the world's best ever sailor's and arguably the world's best cartographer.

What does Taranaki mean again?  That's right 'shining peak'!  Of course that's a European interpretation of what was an entirely oral language.  Maori didn't have a written language.  That is a Pakeha construct.